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04/02/2010 08:25:49 AM · #151 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Come on guys, never, ever discourage a person from commenting!! I'd rather have some inkling as to why a low vote than no explanation at all. Good for you for commenting,  manavg! |
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04/02/2010 08:36:29 AM · #152 |
Votes: 51
Views: 89
Avg Vote: 6.0980
Comments: 3
Up Up Up, little score! (overall happy, though) |
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04/02/2010 09:11:25 AM · #153 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by manavg:
Originally posted by manavg:
You have rated 100 of 350 images (29%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 94 images (27%) in this challenge.
phew... slow progress. i'm trying to vote and comment on all. i'd have to go back at some point and find those 6 images that i didn't comment on. |
You have rated 155 of 350 images (44%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 149 images (43%) in this challenge.
Arhg, i'm tired now. Going to look at the rest tomorrow. Is anyone else commenting on all entries? |
I would stop if I were you, your comment was not accurate at all and by a country mile my friend. :) It's appreciated though. |
I'll second that. Your comment on mine suggests that you voted it low because you simply didn't care for the subject matter |
Come on guys, never, ever discourage a person from commenting!! I'd rather have some inkling as to why a low vote than no explanation at all. Good for you for commenting, manavg! |
So we should just accept that he's making a bad call and move on? After all the work I put into a photograph and to have it cut down by a user who is on a mission to comment on all images in a challenge kind of puts me off just a wee bit. I got a 4 (he posted it, I'm not a spreadsheet junkie ) because my background is blurry. My background IS blurry because I wanted the main subject to stand out but he instead voted on the blurriness of my image. I think I have a right to my opinion too just as you do Wendy. :) I mentioned that I appreciated his comment anyways, after all. So please don't get on your high horse and tell me not to defend the reasons I took my photo and how it looks. Thank you.
Keep on commenting manavg, just please, take a little more time when viewing the images, there's more to them than you might think. Study the images and ask yourself if the photographer intended to make things blurry or dark or tilted or out of focus, etc.
I appreciate it more when a member votes on 20 or 30 percent of the images rather than making it a challenge to themselves to vote on 350 images in a challenge. We all know how tedious it is to comment on images and agonizing over 350 images leads to one thing, 2 or 3 word comments that have no bearing on your images whatsoever except to give the voter a feeling that they're doing something good for the community. |
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04/02/2010 09:20:24 AM · #154 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Come on guys, never, ever discourage a person from commenting!! I'd rather have some inkling as to why a low vote than no explanation at all. Good for you for commenting, manavg! |
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agreed, I would rather have a comment and see it from their point of view than no comment at all. you have to remember this is what they are seeing, not what we are seeing in our photographs
edited to add: granted it does appear that he is a rather low scorer. But each to his own
Message edited by author 2010-04-02 09:25:28. |
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04/02/2010 09:22:51 AM · #155 |
Originally posted by larryslights:
Votes: 33
Views: 51
Avg Vote: 6.0000
Comments: 3
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 04/01/10 03:10 pm
Could someone tell me what that curly thing is where my score should be? I feel like I've seen it before, but it's been a while..... |
Votes: 56
Views: 86
Avg Vote: 6.0000
Comments: 6
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 04/02/10 09:19 am
I think I have a 6.0 image here.
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04/02/2010 09:24:58 AM · #156 |
Votes: 49
Views: 87
Avg Vote: 6.1633
Comments: 1
Finally hit a 6! |
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04/02/2010 09:28:05 AM · #157 |
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by manavg:
Originally posted by manavg:
You have rated 100 of 350 images (29%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 94 images (27%) in this challenge.
phew... slow progress. i'm trying to vote and comment on all. i'd have to go back at some point and find those 6 images that i didn't comment on. |
You have rated 155 of 350 images (44%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 149 images (43%) in this challenge.
Arhg, i'm tired now. Going to look at the rest tomorrow. Is anyone else commenting on all entries? |
I would stop if I were you, your comment was not accurate at all and by a country mile my friend. :) It's appreciated though. |
I'll second that. Your comment on mine suggests that you voted it low because you simply didn't care for the subject matter |
Come on guys, never, ever discourage a person from commenting!! I'd rather have some inkling as to why a low vote than no explanation at all. Good for you for commenting, manavg! |
So we should just accept that he's making a bad call and move on? After all the work I put into a photograph and to have it cut down by a user who is on a mission to comment on all images in a challenge kind of puts me off just a wee bit. I got a 4 (he posted it, I'm not a spreadsheet junkie ) because my background is blurry. My background IS blurry because I wanted the main subject to stand out but he instead voted on the blurriness of my image. I think I have a right to my opinion too just as you do Wendy. :) I mentioned that I appreciated his comment anyways, after all. So please don't get on your high horse and tell me not to defend the reasons I took my photo and how it looks. Thank you.
Keep on commenting manavg, just please, take a little more time when viewing the images, there's more to them than you might think. Study the images and ask yourself if the photographer intended to make things blurry or dark or tilted or out of focus, etc.
I appreciate it more when a member votes on 20 or 30 percent of the images rather than making it a challenge to themselves to vote on 350 images in a challenge. We all know how tedious it is to comment on images and agonizing over 350 images leads to one thing, 2 or 3 word comments that have no bearing on your images whatsoever except to give the voter a feeling that they're doing something good for the community. |
I have absolutely no problem with you defending your image. I have no problem with him not liking something about it. My point was, please don't discourage someone from commenting just because you disagree with his comment. People's tastes differ. I know people who don't want to comment anymore because they honestly told someone their opinion and got a lot of flak for it. That's what the comments are for, to give an opinion.
Message edited by author 2010-04-02 09:29:31.
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04/02/2010 09:30:18 AM · #158 |
Not trying to start a brawl here, But I am wondering if you assume that everyone should like your photo or understand it just because you do? It was your preference to blur the background, Perhaps it is not the voter or person who comments preference, I think it is cool that someone gave you a 4 and explained why. I have gotten tons of 2's 3's and 4's lately and not one person had the balls to tell me why they thought the photos deserved it.
I do agree with you on one point, I wish some people would take more time looking at the photos, I feel that some (not all) try to vote and comment 100% and rush their way through it without using 100% thought process while doing so. But I wont discourage them for trying.
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by manavg:
Originally posted by manavg:
You have rated 100 of 350 images (29%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 94 images (27%) in this challenge.
phew... slow progress. i'm trying to vote and comment on all. i'd have to go back at some point and find those 6 images that i didn't comment on. |
You have rated 155 of 350 images (44%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 149 images (43%) in this challenge.
Arhg, i'm tired now. Going to look at the rest tomorrow. Is anyone else commenting on all entries? |
I would stop if I were you, your comment was not accurate at all and by a country mile my friend. :) It's appreciated though. |
I'll second that. Your comment on mine suggests that you voted it low because you simply didn't care for the subject matter |
Come on guys, never, ever discourage a person from commenting!! I'd rather have some inkling as to why a low vote than no explanation at all. Good for you for commenting, manavg! |
So we should just accept that he's making a bad call and move on? After all the work I put into a photograph and to have it cut down by a user who is on a mission to comment on all images in a challenge kind of puts me off just a wee bit. I got a 4 (he posted it, I'm not a spreadsheet junkie ) because my background is blurry. My background IS blurry because I wanted the main subject to stand out but he instead voted on the blurriness of my image. I think I have a right to my opinion too just as you do Wendy. :) I mentioned that I appreciated his comment anyways, after all. So please don't get on your high horse and tell me not to defend the reasons I took my photo and how it looks. Thank you.
Keep on commenting manavg, just please, take a little more time when viewing the images, there's more to them than you might think. Study the images and ask yourself if the photographer intended to make things blurry or dark or tilted or out of focus, etc.
I appreciate it more when a member votes on 20 or 30 percent of the images rather than making it a challenge to themselves to vote on 350 images in a challenge. We all know how tedious it is to comment on images and agonizing over 350 images leads to one thing, 2 or 3 word comments that have no bearing on your images whatsoever except to give the voter a feeling that they're doing something good for the community. |
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04/02/2010 09:32:05 AM · #159 |
Votes: 48
Views: 83
Avg Vote: 5.4792
Comments: 2
Favorites: 0
Best comment - ever! |
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04/02/2010 09:34:28 AM · #160 |
Votes: 53
Views: 84
Avg Vote: 6.2642
Comments: 3
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0 |
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04/02/2010 10:03:14 AM · #161 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
I did get a very good comment explaining why mine is not working - I very much appreciate that. |
manavg, that comment was from you - please continue what you are doing. People don't ever "like" to hear why someone else doesn't like their picture, but it is extremely valid! It matters NOT what the photographer intended. Based on what you wrote on mine, my intention did not come across at all - and that's what I need to know. It does explain my woefully boring score. So thank you! |
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04/02/2010 10:09:31 AM · #162 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
Originally posted by Jac:
Originally posted by manavg:
Originally posted by manavg:
You have rated 100 of 350 images (29%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 94 images (27%) in this challenge.
phew... slow progress. i'm trying to vote and comment on all. i'd have to go back at some point and find those 6 images that i didn't comment on. |
You have rated 155 of 350 images (44%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 149 images (43%) in this challenge.
Arhg, i'm tired now. Going to look at the rest tomorrow. Is anyone else commenting on all entries? |
I would stop if I were you, your comment was not accurate at all and by a country mile my friend. :) It's appreciated though. |
I'll second that. Your comment on mine suggests that you voted it low because you simply didn't care for the subject matter |
Come on guys, never, ever discourage a person from commenting!! I'd rather have some inkling as to why a low vote than no explanation at all. Good for you for commenting, manavg! |
So we should just accept that he's making a bad call and move on? After all the work I put into a photograph and to have it cut down by a user who is on a mission to comment on all images in a challenge kind of puts me off just a wee bit. I got a 4 (he posted it, I'm not a spreadsheet junkie ) because my background is blurry. My background IS blurry because I wanted the main subject to stand out but he instead voted on the blurriness of my image. I think I have a right to my opinion too just as you do Wendy. :) I mentioned that I appreciated his comment anyways, after all. So please don't get on your high horse and tell me not to defend the reasons I took my photo and how it looks. Thank you.
Keep on commenting manavg, just please, take a little more time when viewing the images, there's more to them than you might think. Study the images and ask yourself if the photographer intended to make things blurry or dark or tilted or out of focus, etc.
I appreciate it more when a member votes on 20 or 30 percent of the images rather than making it a challenge to themselves to vote on 350 images in a challenge. We all know how tedious it is to comment on images and agonizing over 350 images leads to one thing, 2 or 3 word comments that have no bearing on your images whatsoever except to give the voter a feeling that they're doing something good for the community. |
I have absolutely no problem with you defending your image. I have no problem with him not liking something about it. My point was, please don't discourage someone from commenting just because you disagree with his comment. People's tastes differ. I know people who don't want to comment anymore because they honestly told someone their opinion and got a lot of flak for it. That's what the comments are for, to give an opinion. |
It has nothing to do with taste Wendy nor opinion. It has to do with fact. I'll get back to you after voting and show you what I mean.
Bugzeye, I don't assume anyone will like or not like, that's a natural thing and there's nothing you or I can do about that. I do assume that those who leave comments will have enough experience to see what the blurriness means and why it's there. Getting comments that are just plain wrong about the physical facts in front of you is maddening. How would you react if I said your red apple image is too blue so I'm giving you a 4, when there's no blue to be seen in it? These types of comments always make me recheck my hardware's calibration. I'm wondering if it's my monitors that are not well calibrated but I've checked and rechecked and they aren't so why are people telling me my image is too dark or blurry when they are not? Could it be their hardware is not giving them the same output as mine? Can theirs be so old or not well calibrated that it's causing them to make these comments? I don't know what to think anymore quite frankly. That's mostly why I've spoken out about this, not the fact that he didn't like the image. That's kind of insulting to be told that actually but I'm not angry, I'm on vacation! :D I'm one of the people that wouldn't mind if I didn't receive any comments during voting but I find it lame to add a NC to my image title.
I'll say again. Keep on voting manavg, don't take this in a negative way please. Keep on doing what you were doing. :)
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04/02/2010 10:11:01 AM · #163 |
I clicked Update and my score jumped about 0.1. Big spikes and drops with this one.
Votes: 50
Views: 86
Avg Vote: 3.9600
Comments: 3
I might break a four yet...
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04/02/2010 10:15:07 AM · #164 |
You could just not click the "this comment is helpful" button and move on? If you consider yourself an artist, you will understand that some people will appreciate what your photograph is doing... but it might not connect with others.
I don't think crying about it helps your case. If your photo works - the score will reflect it. One vote doesn't make or break.
Then again - I haven't been around for awhile. What do I know? |
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04/02/2010 10:22:38 AM · #165 |
I know what you mean and understand your feelings. I am not sure if you have ever read Larus's profile page. He says something about learning alot from getting and especially giving comments. Because DPC is a "learning site" I think we should all expect people to make different judgements while they are developing their own skillset, be it how they take pictures or how they view others pictures. If you are comfortable with your picture then chalk it up to the person who leaves to comment as a learning experience for them. I wouldn't sweat it much unless you get a whole pile of comments that all say the same thing. Anyway enjoy your vacation.
Originally posted by Jac:
Bugzeye, I don't assume anyone will like or not like, that's a natural thing and there's nothing you or I can do about that. I do assume that those who leave comments will have enough experience to see what the blurriness means and why it's there. Getting comments that are just plain wrong about the physical facts in front of you is maddening. How would you react if I said your red apple image is too blue so I'm giving you a 4, when there's no blue to be seen in it? These types of comments always make me recheck my hardware's calibration. I'm wondering if it's my monitors that are not well calibrated but I've checked and rechecked and they aren't so why are people telling me my image is too dark or blurry when they are not? Could it be their hardware is not giving them the same output as mine? Can theirs be so old or not well calibrated that it's causing them to make these comments? I don't know what to think anymore quite frankly. That's mostly why I've spoken out about this, not the fact that he didn't like the image. That's kind of insulting to be told that actually but I'm not angry, I'm on vacation! :D I'm one of the people that wouldn't mind if I didn't receive any comments during voting but I find it lame to add a NC to my image title.
I'll say again. Keep on voting manavg, don't take this in a negative way please. Keep on doing what you were doing. :) |
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04/02/2010 10:38:15 AM · #166 |
Originally posted by northebound:
You could just not click the "this comment is helpful" button and move on? |
Who are you addressing? |
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04/02/2010 10:44:16 AM · #167 |
Doing fairly well for a FS...
Votes: 47
Views: 88
Avg Vote: 5.8936
Comments: 3 |
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04/02/2010 10:49:25 AM · #168 |
Hovering
Votes: 50
Views: 90
Avg Vote: 6.0400
Comments: 4
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04/02/2010 10:59:48 AM · #169 |
Wow ! I've just been through this gallery of shots. Some REALLY good stuff in there. An entertaining collection... something to float anyone's boat, I reckon. ;)
If you haven't gone through them, I recommend you take the time.
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04/02/2010 11:24:36 AM · #170 |
Originally posted by Jac:
I would stop if I were you, your comment was not accurate at all and by a country mile my friend. :) It's appreciated though. |
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
I'll second that. Your comment on mine suggests that you voted it low because you simply didn't care for the subject matter |
Well, gents, I make no apologies if I comment on an image. I have started (or am attempting to), comment more. I think of DPC as a learning site, and I figured merely rating an image without specifying what I think about it doesn't do justice to the photog. I then spent a lot of time merely looking and trying to figure out what I would have done differently (if at all) to make an image look "better". I realize "better" (or more appealing), is a subjective term, but then all comments and votes are subjective anyway (given from the commentator's point of view).
Having said that, before commenting I read a number of posts about what constitutes a good comment. And then I have some specific rules of my own commenting:
1. What's the first impression a picture gives me?
2. What type (and how much) of an impact does the picture make (to me)?
3. (Now that I've started paying more attention to pictures) How do I rate the composition?
4. Does the post processing affect the image in any (negative) way?
These are the typical questions I ask myself while commenting and voting.
I also realize that no two people are the same. There are many a times when I've seen an image ending in top 10, but several people have given it 1, 2, 3 or 4. And having read lamentation of a number of people who are frustrated when someone gives a low rating without explanation. Therefore, I *specifically* comment if I feel the picture is not strong enough, irrespective of whether I'm attempting to comment on all submissions.
So, given that you gentlemen are especially upset over my comments:
1. Is my vote way under your average score?
2. What are the other comments you have received so far?
It's possible that sometimes there may be more "artistic" submissions that I may not be qualified / experienced enough to judge - in all such cases, I specifically state that. Maybe yours was such a case, and I just didn't grasp that (even though I doubt it).
Originally posted by Jac:
I appreciate it more when a member votes on 20 or 30 percent of the images rather than making it a challenge to themselves to vote on 350 images in a challenge. We all know how tedious it is to comment on images and agonizing over 350 images leads to one thing, 2 or 3 word comments that have no bearing on your images whatsoever except to give the voter a feeling that they're doing something good for the community. |
Far from it. I found that if I stop to type something, I am spending way more time than usual on each image. On Free study challenges, I also feel that it's more helpful to myself since I'd be able to see all submissions - something I haven't done usually. I figure the more images I see, the better I'd be. The 100-odd images that I commented on yesterday - I spent over 2 hours on them.
Finally, the one thing I learned on DPC - I may not always like someone's vote. But if I get a comment, I at least know the reasoning behind their vote. I'm glad DPC isn't a back-scratching place that Flickr can sometimes be.
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04/02/2010 11:53:54 AM · #171 |
Hey Manav
Whilst you did give me perhaps the lowest score I can remember receiving for a long time, aside from trolls, that wasn't the issue.
The issue was the comment. Now I'm not going to spell out what you said as that could potentially identify my picture to you and that is
contrary to the rules of the site.
However the gist of the comment was, IMO, that you simply marked it low because you didn't care for subject matter.
Message edited by author 2010-04-02 12:02:25. |
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04/02/2010 11:55:35 AM · #172 |
Originally posted by manavg:
Far from it. I found that if I stop to type something, I am spending way more time than usual on each image. On Free study challenges, I also feel that it's more helpful to myself since I'd be able to see all submissions - something I haven't done usually. I figure the more images I see, the better I'd be. The 100-odd images that I commented on yesterday - I spent over 2 hours on them.
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Exactly! I have found this as well! I have been trying to comment on all of the Orange entries, and I have found that not only does commenting make me look at the picture more, but it changes the votes that I was originally going to give.
For instance, if I see a picture that I really don't like, I will start writing a comment with the intention of giving a 3. In my comment I will list the things I don't like about the picture, but because I believe in constructive criticism I usually try to post something that I do like about the image. Several times now, as I was listing the things I did like, I kind of realized that I didn't really dislike the photo THAT much after all and ended up bumping up the score.
It works the opposite way too of course. I have looked at a picture and innitially thought it was quite nice and wanted to give it a 7, but then as I started to give some form of suggestion of improvement, I found myself rambling on and on and finding more and more flaws, and ended up lowering my score to a 5.
I think when you take the time to comment, it takes away some of the impulse voting of giving a score based merely on personal taste. If I am just voting and see an image I dislike (but is a very well done photo) I could just give a 2, move on, and never be held accountable for the impulse vote because I never have to look at the picture again.
But if I COMMENT on the picture, I just can't justify a low score if it is photographed well.
And to stay on topic...
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Views: 78
Avg Vote: 5.3542
Comments: 5 |
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04/02/2010 11:59:04 AM · #173 |
Starting to climb again :)
Votes: 53
Views: 92
Avg Vote: 6.1132
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04/02/2010 12:04:51 PM · #174 |
Originally posted by Lutchenko:
However the gist of the comment was, IMO, that you simply marked it low because you didn't care for subject matter. |
Happens all the time. I have no doubt that many of the low votes I receive are simply for that reason. Many members rate on a scale of dislike<--->like rather than bad<--->good. Using such criteria, you will get some low votes no matter how good your execution is. |
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04/02/2010 12:07:31 PM · #175 |
Originally posted by manavg:
... I have some specific rules of my own commenting:
1. What's the first impression a picture gives me? ... |
Absolutely one of the best ways to comment IMO.
There was a fun 'Reaction Club' going for awhile (started by posthumous). I think I'll jump start it again with a fresh post. :-)
Oh yeah...scores. :-)
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