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Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

02/08/2010 10:14:35 AM · #1

I was having some fun with the Still Life with Fruit Challenge

I shot the original challenge entry with my Canon 5DII and my new Zeiss 50mm 1.4

I am really impressed with the optical quality of the lens. I think it's the best 50mm lens out there.

While I was shooting, I grabbed my Lumix LX3 Point & Shoot, also very impressive optics.

While I was going through possibilities for the January Free Study, I processed a few of the shots taken with the Lumix.

I was really impressed with how close the Lumix came to the 50mm Zeiss once both were processed for DPC entries. At full size you can see a real difference, due mainly to the sensor size differences, but at 800px, they are really close. Tonal range, sharpness, image quality all compared nicely.

So I decided to enter the Lumix version in the Free Study just to see if people would notice the difference. I got a validation request and a couple of comments about entering the same image in the FS as I did in the Still Life challenge.

I think the Lumix held up quite nicely!

Yo_Spiff

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

02/08/2010 10:52:50 AM · #2

It did well indeed. Putting them next to each other I can see some slight difference in clarity, but the Lumix does holds up nicely. I love being able to pull off a good shot with lesser gear.

Nadine_Vb

Nikon D2X

Sigma 70-300mm f/4-5.6 DL Macro for Nikon

02/08/2010 03:08:19 PM · #3

As said in the comments of your FS-entry, I noticed a difference in colours. I've indeed put both entries next to each other to compare. I figured it wasn't 2 times the same entry since this would have been impossible as you can't submit the same image in 2 challenges.
Now I have the answer on my question if I was missing something :)
And indeed, the Lumix did very well :)

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

02/08/2010 03:19:43 PM · #4

Maybe it's just me, but I see a distinct difference in clarity between the two. I wouldn't call it "slight", I'd call it "noticeable". It's about he difference I saw when I switched from 20D to 5D, actually, give or take; so that speaks well of the Lumix.

R

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

02/08/2010 03:37:30 PM · #5

Not just you, Robert. I saw it right away and without a side by side. In the shaded half triangle plus the fruit, the dear little lumix seems to lose its enthusiasm. (And I am such a panasonic fan, and so much in favour of trying to match the big guys with the little guys).

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

02/08/2010 03:54:27 PM · #6

I don't know why you're so enthusiastic about this. Looks like your expensive 50mm is almost as bad as a point-and-shoot camera. ;-P

JulietNN

Canon EOS R7

Tamron 16-300mm Di II VC PZD MACRO w/Canon Nikon mount

02/08/2010 03:57:16 PM · #7

Miaaaaaaaaaaaow

02/08/2010 04:18:21 PM · #8

Originally posted by scalvert:

I don't know why you're so enthusiastic about this. Looks like your expensive 50mm is almost as bad as a point-and-shoot camera. ;-P

Or my point & shoot is as good as the 50 1.2L ;-)

To be clear, there is a huge difference when looking at the full size images, again, I think that is a function of sensor size more than anything else.

I was taken on how close they were when edited for DPC entries. I didn't edit them side by side, I think it would have been closer had I actually set out to match them as close as possible in the editing.

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

02/08/2010 04:25:11 PM · #9

" I didn't edit them side by side, I think it would have been closer had I actually set out to match them as close as possible in the editing."

Might you not now give it a try? See if you can bring the panny up to the mark?

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

02/08/2010 06:10:14 PM · #10

Originally posted by tnun:

Yes, please. Show us what it's got!

R.

PennyStreet

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 17mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko

02/08/2010 06:22:53 PM · #11

Wow, what a neat comparison - just goes to show.
I voted one an 8 and one a 7 (both pretty high for me) - funny I didn't notice that they were duplicates. I think the Canon has just slightly richer colors (it better) but the Lumix is a terrific camera (as all we DLux 4 owners know)!
I'm sure there is a much bigger difference at larger sizes but, hey.

Digipixer

Canon Power Shot SX10 IS

02/08/2010 06:39:45 PM · #12

Zeiss Vs. Leica. Nice to really see the images from eavh side by side, almost. Thanks.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

02/08/2010 08:12:36 PM · #13

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by tnun:
" I didn't edit them side by side, I think it would have been closer had I actually set out to match them as close as possible in the editing."

Might you not now give it a try? See if you can bring the panny up to the mark?

Yes, please. Show us what it's got!

R.

OK, without starting from scratch, here's about an hour's worth of time trying to get them to match in processing

Zeiss

Lumix

The Zeiss wins the tonal gradation for sure. The yellow areas seem to have more detail as well.

I didn't line the cameras up exactly, an I think the Lumix was zoomed a little wider than the 50mm equivalent. So there is a shift in perspective and camera angle.

They were taken about 20 minutes apart, so the light shifted as well.

Nuzzer

Canon EOS-7D

02/09/2010 06:15:13 PM · #14

Cool comparison - thanks for the extra edit!

02/09/2010 11:46:33 PM · #15

Thank you.

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

02/10/2010 11:05:08 AM · #16

Originally posted by tnun:

Thank you.

You;re welcome. it was a fun exercise.

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

02/10/2010 11:14:17 AM · #17

Thanks for taking the time. The difference in resolving power is still noticeable to my eye; look at the cut kiwi, for example. Nevertheless, they're damned close, all things considered.

R.

02/10/2010 12:02:39 PM · #18

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Thanks for taking the time. The difference in resolving power is still noticeable to my eye; look at the cut kiwi, for example. Nevertheless, they're damned close, all things considered.

R.

I agree, and frankly I'm glad there is a difference, the 50mm Zeiss cost $200 for than the Lumix LX3 camera, but it's nice to have something so pocketable to carry around that can produce a quality image.

I'll tyr to post some 100% cuts of each to show the real differences.

Panasonic Lumix 20mm f1.7 ASPH

02/10/2010 07:21:18 PM · #19

Ok, here are a couple of 100% crops from each image. From the cropped and edited version (before downsizing), but no sharpening or noise reduction

5DII/Zeiss 50mm--------------Lumix LX3

5DII/Zeiss 50mm--------------Lumix LX3

The differences are more obvious, but still very pleased with the quality of the images.

dagaleaa

Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH2

02/17/2010 02:25:28 PM · #20

The Panasonic LX3 is an amazing camera for what it is....I never leave home without it !!! It even got me interested in picking up my Olympus DSLR again.