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02/03/2010 07:48:08 AM · #1 |
I just love this.
Good go Brian Johnson.
Bono avoids paying taxes with tax havens and not so legal means and he touts himself as a giver to the poor. His hypocrisy is overwhelming. It's about time someone told him to STFU.
I placed it here, just in case, even though it won't be seen by many. |
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02/03/2010 08:35:02 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by Jac:
I placed it here, just in case, even though it won't be seen by many. |
Seen and appreciated ;)
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02/03/2010 01:46:33 PM · #3 |
| If the only people able to encourage good in the world are those without hypocricy, we would have very few people encouraging good... |
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02/03/2010 02:24:33 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
If the only people able to encourage good in the world are those without hypocricy, we would have very few people encouraging good... |
Sheesh Doc... I would have thought that you would have believed that altruistic behaviour was a core value for religious individuals. :O)
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02/03/2010 02:26:37 PM · #5 |
There seems to be a prevailing attitude (especially among Americans, and I'll apologize in advance for the generalization, but it doesn't really make it less accurate), that people shouldn't be helping people anymore.
I've seen it in a couple of threads around here even, but mostly on a larger scale around other aspects of my life. People are beginning to focus on the negatives associated with charity, compassion, and giving. They focus on the abusers of the systems, on the corruption that can happen, and as a society we're beginning to become cynical and jaded (yah yah, this coming from me), about the whole process. Too many people becoming so egotistical that they believe their way of thinking is the only way of thinking. Take Brian Johnson. Who the hell is he to be telling other people what to say or do, or what people want to hear from entertainers? Perhaps he should take his own advice and just keep the mouth shut, no? lol.
Sometimes the ends do justify the means, and seriously, if a celebrity can get a few people to open their hearts and minds a little bit, who the hell cares what they do in their personal time to protect their money? Not me. The government is just as corrupt as anyone finding tax havens and loopholes, trust me. It's not like Bono is stealing money from the charities he endorses.
Yes, there are a lot of corrupt and pointless charities out there, but that doesn't mean we should stop caring about our fellow people altogether. Just do your research, make positive choices, and avoid what you don't agree with. It's not hard. |
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02/03/2010 02:42:45 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
If the only people able to encourage good in the world are those without hypocricy, we would have very few people encouraging good... |
Sheesh Doc... I would have thought that you would have believed that altruistic behaviour was a core value for religious individuals. :O)
Ray |
(scratches head) I'm not sure I get you. I do believe that. But I also firmly believe that we all screw it up early and often. My point, I guess, is that just because we screw up doesn't mean we should stop trying. My other point is what K10 said. I like his post. |
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02/03/2010 03:10:00 PM · #7 |
| I'm 100% with K10DGuy. I don't like being preached to, but if someone (even someone preachy) alerts me to an issue, I like to look into it and decide what my reaction (or donation) will be. Helping your fellow earthdwellers in times of despair and need is inately human and we shouldn't shy away from that. |
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02/03/2010 04:10:20 PM · #8 |
Nobody is suggesting that we shouldn't give time and/or money to charities, just that having mega rich people who [alledgedly] dodge their taxes preaching to us about giving it is damn annoying.
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02/03/2010 05:16:52 PM · #9 |
| Whatever. People bitch when so-called celebrities diddle someone other than their spouses, weeping about the effect that such important models of behaviour will have on our poor children. Then they moan that they should keep their fat faces shut when it comes time to really help in time of need. What he said, there's enough hypocrisy around to kill a hippo. |
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02/03/2010 07:00:15 PM · #10 |
| Doc, Frisca, Kd10guy, you've missed the point. No one said to not give to charities, not me, not Brian Johnson and not anyone in this thread. |
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02/03/2010 07:11:19 PM · #11 |
I pretty much have a problem with people in the public eye telling me how to be. It's not like it's remotely difficult wherever you live to find people in need and give of your time and money. Not that I don't care that people are starving in Africa, but I spend time at a clothing and food bank right here at home.
If I'm gonna spend upwards of $500 for my wife, daughter, and I to see AC/DC, U2, or whomever decides to grace us with their presence, I really DON'T feel like listening to a public service message when, at 54 years old, I remember when you paid $12 for an AC/DC concert, and they played for six hours.
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02/03/2010 07:21:18 PM · #12 |
your point being then, to simply complain that celebrities making these appeals for charitable causes are hypocrits because they do not (allegedly) pay their fair share of taxes? Or that they don't understand the common person?
I understood your point, I was simply forwarding the discussion with a corollary point about how I think such hypocritic recitations can be received positively. |
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02/03/2010 07:56:20 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by frisca:
your point being then, to simply complain that celebrities making these appeals for charitable causes are hypocrits because they do not (allegedly) pay their fair share of taxes? Or that they don't understand the common person?
I understood your point, I was simply forwarding the discussion with a corollary point about how I think such hypocritic recitations can be received positively. |
Yes, I guess that is my point, I dont like mega rich celebrities who dodge their taxes preaching righteousness at me.
I personally work volutarily for 2 charities, one local and one national, and I often hear people with similar feelings. The real problem comes though when these charities struggle for funding because people are sick to death of the celebs asking for more and all the adverts asking for £# a month etc etc. Most of these celebs could easily part with hundreds of thousands of £s and not even notice it, why don't they just club together and leave us less fortunate folks to deal with the charities at home?
In addition, when people dodge their taxes someone else will suffer, directly or indirectly (political arguments aside), and if it's the charities I work for then I'm likely to be somewhat indignant about it, though usually it is the people that end up having to use our services, homeless kids and such like.
Message edited by author 2010-02-03 19:57:05.
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02/03/2010 08:04:39 PM · #14 |
I love the south park episode where stan's dad takes a huge crap and checks to see if it is a world record. The it turns out it's not a world record because Bono is the worlds largest piece of crap.
edit to add link
//www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155668
Warning, disturbing...
Message edited by author 2010-02-03 20:07:28. |
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02/03/2010 08:05:35 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by frisca:
your point being then, to simply complain that celebrities making these appeals for charitable causes are hypocrits because they do not (allegedly) pay their fair share of taxes? Or that they don't understand the common person?
I understood your point, I was simply forwarding the discussion with a corollary point about how I think such hypocritic recitations can be received positively. |
Originally posted by james_so:
Yes, I guess that is my point, I dont like mega rich celebrities who dodge their taxes preaching righteousness at me.
I personally work volutarily for 2 charities, one local and one national, and I often hear people with similar feelings. The real problem comes though when these charities struggle for funding because people are sick to death of the celebs asking for more and all the adverts asking for £# a month etc etc. Most of these celebs could easily part with hundreds of thousands of £s and not even notice it, why don't they just club together and leave us less fortunate folks to deal with the charities at home?
In addition, when people dodge their taxes someone else will suffer, directly or indirectly (political arguments aside), and if it's the charities I work for then I'm likely to be somewhat indignant about it, though usually it is the people that end up having to use our services, homeless kids and such like. |
I agree....
If you're a celebrity, and want to make an impression, sell one of the five multi-million dollar houses you have and give it to cancer research, or that country in Africa. All of it....every nickel. Then I, and a whole pile of people will get the message, and your credibility will be MUCH better!
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02/03/2010 08:19:29 PM · #16 |
I like what Brian Johnson said. Bono does push it to the limits, Speaks about his causes every chance he gets, People are paying upwards 100 dollars or even more to watch U2 perform. They can stay home and watch Sally Struthers tell them about hungry children for free. It is not the fact that he is trying to make people aware. It is the fact that he is telling people to give to something that they have been aware of for many years. It sort of falls under the preaching to the choir catagory. It is good that he cares, But when he is being paid thousands and thousands of dollars to perform a concert, He should focus on what the fans paid to see and not what he wants them to donate money to.
on a side note, I went to see AC/DC last weekend and it was an awesome show, If you are a fan and they are going to be near you on this tour, It is definately worth checking out. |
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02/03/2010 08:31:54 PM · #17 |
| I'm missing the link that shows how much Bono gave to charities. It seems like people know that information... |
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02/03/2010 08:58:21 PM · #18 |
I think Bono and Brian Johnson, or any celebrity for that matter, are in a unique position to alert many people toward an issue, or motivate many toward giving to charity. While I agree that it is easy to be cynical, and think "why is this rich guy telling me to give money, when he is the rich one?", at least they are using their celebrity to help others.
Regardless of their hypocrisy, if they are able to raise funds for people who need it, who cares.
Message edited by author 2010-02-03 20:58:43. |
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02/03/2010 08:59:41 PM · #19 |
Bono gives tons of money and time to charity. But I don't believe that has anything to do with Brian Johnsons point.
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'm missing the link that shows how much Bono gave to charities. It seems like people know that information... |
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02/03/2010 09:19:43 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
Bono gives tons of money and time to charity. But I don't believe that has anything to do with Brian Johnsons point.
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'm missing the link that shows how much Bono gave to charities. It seems like people know that information... |
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Oh, I wasn't speaking to Brian Johnson. I was speaking to some of the posts above...
Message edited by author 2010-02-03 21:19:54. |
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02/03/2010 09:32:30 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
Bono gives tons of money and time to charity. But I don't believe that has anything to do with Brian Johnsons point.
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'm missing the link that shows how much Bono gave to charities. It seems like people know that information... |
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Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Oh, I wasn't speaking to Brian Johnson. I was speaking to some of the posts above... |
Part of what grips the average Joe like me is that it's easy for someone like Bono to squawk about an issue, and give time......between concerts.....and what is to you and I a bunch of money, BUT......
Out here in the real world where say, a $2500 cylinder head job, can put a real cramp in the household finances, what does it say if a man who *nets* $4,000,000 in a year's time and gives out $250,000? Yeah, that's a lot of money, but he's not going to feel that in the same manner that some us will to up and stroke a check for $1000.
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02/03/2010 09:59:18 PM · #22 |
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02/19/2010 01:52:37 PM · #23 |
BRIAN JOHNSON IS THE MAN! I saw AC/DC in DC this last fall. I had 10th row seats. I went right down to the security barriers, and security didn't bother me. If anyone else went down there they were like, "Go back to your seat..." My son says it's because I have that harmless mom look going on. Alas, they wouldn't let me bring my camera in, so the pictures I took with my phone are pretty craptastic.
As for the subject of this thread - Last time I checked the United States lead the world in terms of charitable giving. But, at the moment, many people are either unable to give because they're out of work, or they're choosing to focus on the needs in their own back yard. I work for a non-profit. I give my time and money to others. I don't want to pay to go to a concert and listen to some @$$hole like Bono tell me I'm not doing enough. I feel for the starving children in Africa. I feel for the children in Haiti. I really do. But, right now, I'm concerned about the children sleeping on the floor at the Salvation Army and about the children who are sleeping on the floors at area churches because they're right in my own back yard, and if I don't worry about them who will? Surely not Bono, it won't get him enough attention. |
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