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01/12/2010 08:15:25 PM · #1 |
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01/12/2010 08:17:37 PM · #2 |
Message edited by author 2010-01-12 20:19:52. |
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01/12/2010 08:20:23 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by David Ey: Looks pretty clear to me what is going on. We are goverened by crooks. |
Wow, THERE'S a news flash!!! |
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01/13/2010 09:58:09 AM · #4 |
At this time, they are mostly Democrats, working behind closed doors, stealing our money. Obama was right, we need a change. |
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01/13/2010 10:01:52 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by David Ey: At this time, they are mostly Democrats, working behind closed doors, stealing our money. |
I assume you mean on the health care issue, not in general. |
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01/13/2010 12:17:46 PM · #6 |
Yes sir. That is the project they are working on most heavily. However, both parties are guilty of putting their interests first above all other concerns. |
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01/13/2010 05:57:58 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by David Ey: Yes sir. That is the project they are working on most heavily. However, both parties are guilty of putting their interests first above all other concerns. |
And people only ever get outraged when it is the party opposite of their own blind allegiances to doing the deals. This kind of thing has gone on from the time humanity discovered government, and will go on until we are just an ink-blot on the tapestry of time.
When 'your people' get into power again and start doing this sort of thing, again, will we see your perseverance in pointing it out? Hmm? |
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01/13/2010 06:33:02 PM · #8 |
Wow, Sarah Palin was being interviewed by Glenn Beck. Awesome! I was lulled to sleep by their soothing conversation and began to dream that she removed her clothes and started winking at me. Then the phone rang...

Message edited by author 2010-01-13 18:37:14. |
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01/13/2010 06:53:06 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy: This kind of thing has gone on from the time humanity discovered government, and will go on until we are just an ink-blot on the tapestry of time. |
"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly American criminal class except Congress."
--Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) |
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01/13/2010 06:58:01 PM · #10 |
All you (pl) have to say are derogatory comments? Is no one concerned about the direction America is headed? Agreed, we have always had crooked politicians but don't you think we have many more today than say, back in the 50's? or the 1800's? I suppose it is much easier to ignore what is happening to our country and make silly remarks than to speak out. You really think "it is the party opposite of their own blind allegiances" that gets folks worked up? I think you will see this is not true when election time rolls around. |
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01/13/2010 07:09:05 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by David Ey: All you (pl) have to say are derogatory comments? Is no one concerned about the direction America is headed? |
Yeah. For me it started when I was about 9 years old and Watergate was in full swing but it really peaked with the lead up to Iraq. One of the biggest scams pulled that went virtually unchecked. Corruption is probably the same as it always was BUT it's legal.
How much do you think the banks paid for deregulation during the 80's? |
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01/13/2010 07:09:42 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by David Ey: Agreed, we have always had crooked politicians but don't you think we have many more today than say, back in the 50's? or the 1800's? |
No -- I think the capabilty of the word of their malfeasance to be instantaneously spread makes it seem worse today, but if anything I think the scale of some of the more modern peccadillos is probably far less by comparison to past scandals ... |
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01/13/2010 07:12:44 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by David Ey: All you (pl) have to say are derogatory comments? Is no one concerned about the direction America is headed? Agreed, we have always had crooked politicians but don't you think we have many more today than say, back in the 50's? or the 1800's? I suppose it is much easier to ignore what is happening to our country and make silly remarks than to speak out. You really think "it is the party opposite of their own blind allegiances" that gets folks worked up? I think you will see this is not true when election time rolls around. |
It just amazes me that cries of corruption, from certain people, only become loud and outrageous when it's not their own people doing it. Especially when the 'corruption' is of a far, far less severity than many things that were occurring when said people's choice of government was in power previously. |
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01/13/2010 07:19:26 PM · #14 |
I think our entire government is reptilian...across the board.
What I find bizarre are the folks that were either quiet or asleep for the past 10 years casting heavy stones all of a sudden.
I'm 100% certain that the Clintons were equally as corrupt as the Bushes. |
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01/13/2010 09:40:00 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by David Ey: All you (pl) have to say are derogatory comments? Is no one concerned about the direction America is headed? Agreed, we have always had crooked politicians but don't you think we have many more today than say, back in the 50's? or the 1800's? I suppose it is much easier to ignore what is happening to our country and make silly remarks than to speak out. You really think "it is the party opposite of their own blind allegiances" that gets folks worked up? I think you will see this is not true when election time rolls around. |
So what's your solution? Or do you just want to bitch? I love that......you want to throw stones. Do you actually have a well-thought out plan, or is this just so much more hot air?
Do you feel like somehow you're imparting information here that nobody knows?
Edited for fat fingers.....LOL!!!
Message edited by author 2010-01-13 21:42:15. |
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01/13/2010 09:58:33 PM · #16 |
When I was flying back from Auckland to Wellington the other day, A guy sitting next to me on the plane was reading Palin's new book. I asked him what he thought of her because I wanted to hear the oppinion of a non American. He told me she has got to be the dumbest brown haired blonde on the planet and quite posibly in the entire universe. He was starting Chapter 2 when we were getting ready to land.
Originally posted by pawdrix: Wow, Sarah Palin was being interviewed by Glenn Beck. Awesome! I was lulled to sleep by their soothing conversation and began to dream that she removed her clothes and started winking at me. Then the phone rang...
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01/13/2010 10:06:03 PM · #17 |
And just who's buying those votes? Isn't it those same, large, capitalist corporate entities "conservatives" are always trying to deregulate? I'm pretty sure that there are more corporate-paid than citizen-funded lobbyists.
HONEST POLITICIAN: (n) One who, when bought, stays bought.
--A Dictionary of Wit, Wisdom, and Satire by Herbert V. Prochnow |
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01/14/2010 01:55:21 PM · #18 |
"The American people voted for a new direction to restore civility and bipartisanship in Washington D.C. And Democrats promise to work together in a bipartisan way for all Americans. The American people voted to restore integrity and honesty in Washington D.C. The Democrats intend to lead the most honest, most open and most ethical congress in history." Nancy Pelosi 2006 |
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01/14/2010 02:00:27 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by LoudDog: "... The Democrats intend to lead the most honest, most open and most ethical congress in history." |
And the sad truth is that they may well have accomplished that goal. |
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01/15/2010 11:58:07 AM · #20 |
More vote buying. Apparently union members are more important then other workers? Or they are just special and don't have to pay the same taxes as everyone else?
//www.nypost.com/p/news/national/unions_get_pecial_treatment_in_health_AB053CwqPIJlIxXAm37DOM |
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01/15/2010 12:21:50 PM · #21 |
Union workers made concessions in wages in exchanged for enhanced health insurance coverage, which they probably would not have made had they known that those health benefits would be taxed.
I'm really more concerned about investment bankers buying votes to protect their multi-million dollar "bonuses" (when's the last time you got a bonus for screwing up?) than people who do actual work getting health insurance.
Message edited by author 2010-01-15 12:23:49. |
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01/15/2010 01:47:47 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by GeneralE: Union workers made concessions in wages in exchanged for enhanced health insurance coverage, which they probably would not have made had they known that those health benefits would be taxed. ... |
That may be true, but they are not alone. We've all paid for healthcare in some manner that's impacted our annual earnings. The cost of healthcare to employers has been passed along to employees with increased payroll deductions, and increased health insurance expenses to employers has also been a tool (excuse/reason) to limit even the most basic of COLA pay adjustments.
I'd say that many, many working Americans have done exactly the same thing (wage concessions in return for continued, and sometimes even diminished, healthcare insurance). |
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01/15/2010 02:31:22 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by GeneralE: Union workers made concessions in wages in exchanged for enhanced health insurance coverage, which they probably would not have made had they known that those health benefits would be taxed. ... |
Originally posted by glad2badad: That may be true, but they are not alone. We've all paid for healthcare in some manner that's impacted our annual earnings. The cost of healthcare to employers has been passed along to employees with increased payroll deductions, and increased health insurance expenses to employers has also been a tool (excuse/reason) to limit even the most basic of COLA pay adjustments.
I'd say that many, many working Americans have done exactly the same thing (wage concessions in return for continued, and sometimes even diminished, healthcare insurance). |
Eric? Is that you?????
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01/15/2010 02:54:28 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by glad2badad: I'd say that many, many working Americans have done exactly the same thing (wage concessions in return for continued, and sometimes even diminished, healthcare insurance). |
Then I doubt that many of those folks have the high-end "Cadillac" health plans which would be subject to the proposed tax. Of course, I think the idea that whether or not you have health insurance/health care being based on the whim of some third-party (employer) is a pretty stupid idea in the first place. |
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01/15/2010 02:58:23 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by GeneralE: Originally posted by glad2badad: I'd say that many, many working Americans have done exactly the same thing (wage concessions in return for continued, and sometimes even diminished, healthcare insurance). |
Then I doubt that many of those folks have the high-end "Cadillac" health plans which would be subject to the proposed tax. Of course, I think the idea that whether or not you have health insurance/health care being based on the whim of some third-party (employer) is a pretty stupid idea in the first place. |
Does anyone have a link to a resource defining what a "Cadillac" health plan is? Please. I have a feeling it's going to cover more people than some may think. |
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