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01/04/2010 05:15:30 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by Sirashley:
Well, not that I'm the seasoned photographer to ask, but I always thought that a portrait was something that was posed for... |
Yea, thats what i meant by whether it had to be contrived. I guess my idea of portraiture was a huge umbrella under which sat many subsections, candid portraiture, action portraiture, posed portraiture, each with the goal of revealing something of that person (or animal). I guess my one condition was that it should concentrate solely on one subject. Anyway, i think my perception of it was maybe too broad. |
nope! it was too narrow! I have seen many portraits with two people. I knew you were the one that voted mine down!! Shame on you! |
Ha, you're right. Way too narrow! What about family portraits and couples! I don't know WHAT i'm thinking sometimes!! Didn't vote on this challenge so didn't vote you down! As i said before, if i had of voted i really wouldn't have paid much attention to the 'Portrait' part of it and would have voted on the 'Wild' part. (Just looked Wendy and yours is a great shot!) |
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01/04/2010 05:20:47 PM · #77 |
Speaking of, do you think my score suffered as people might have seen it as non-natural, because of the inclusion of a McDonald's box in my entry?
Personally I think that this is today's "natural" environment.
Of course, I used that image instead of the outtake, precisely because I was thinking portrait.. Still, I didn't vote anything down on the portrait aspect of this, however one suffered because it wasn't a bird... (Was anyone else surprised that no-one submitted "the bird" as an entry..?)..
Message edited by author 2010-01-04 17:25:56. |
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01/04/2010 05:35:16 PM · #78 |
@coryboehne
I didn't vote in this challenge as I rarely do in ones I enter, but if I had, I would have given this a 6 for humor. I lot of people here dislike selective desat and I think you would have received some lower votes just for that. I think a lot of people would have preferred the bird in a more "natural" pose.
I think you chose the right one to enter.
Message edited by author 2010-01-04 17:37:12. |
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01/04/2010 06:03:49 PM · #79 |
@Cory....I voted that image a 7 and thought it was hilarious and an interesting capture. I thought it worked well for the challenge, although Overweight America Bird may have been a better title...LOL... Anyway, I'm shocked that my image placed higher and it just goes to show you that just when you think you know the voters on this site, you don't! Anyway, for what its worth, I thought it was a great shot...
As far as the voting in the challenge, my voting was based primarily on the shot being wild. Single or multiple birds, didn't matter. I really wasn't concerned with the portrait part of it... but apparently many voters were (I'm not judging you just stating the facts)
In all fairness, many of us here knew that some people were very specific about the portrait aspect and concerned with it. If it bothered me, I would have entered a different shot. I never shoot for the voters, and that explains allot of my entries :) |
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01/04/2010 07:36:08 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by Sirashley:
... I'm shocked ... just goes to show ... when you think you know the voters on this site, you don't!
... I never shoot for the voters, and that explains allot of my entries :) |
Originally posted by Sirashley:
... It finished right where I thought it would, which is good, because it means that I am getting good at judging how the voters will vote |
LOL! You sure have a handle on the voters, don't you. :-D |
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01/04/2010 08:54:48 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Not remotely in the ballpark of being a portrait. Not a candid either....DOH! |
I wouldn't say it was a candid but as a portrait i thought it would fit in the sense that it captured something of the essence of the character. I can see i'm probably wrong with that though. Left me slightly confused as to what defines a portrait now! Ah, well. I'm sure i'll learn! :)
E.T.A: Does a portrait need to be contrived then? That would leave out candid portraiture of course. And wild birds! You're all fired!! |
When the London Times hires you to get a Portrait of Beckham for the cover of their Weekend Magazine and you hand them a picture of him scoring a goal, don't be surprised when they don't pay you OR send you back to go get a portrait...
I define candid as being the opposite of formal. Some actions don't fall into the category of formal OR informal, if you can see the difference. Such as, hammering nails or throwing a ball are actions that many people wouldn't consider being a candid moment. I know based on previous Challenges that some people consider a person sleeping as being candid BUT I would have a tough time saying that a person that's asleep, is being "informal".
You're free to define these things as you wish but to call the image above a portrait or a candid puts you on very weak footing, either way.
Message edited by author 2010-01-04 21:07:18. |
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01/04/2010 08:59:01 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Not remotely in the ballpark of being a portrait. Not a candid either....DOH! |
I wouldn't say it was a candid but as a portrait i thought it would fit in the sense that it captured something of the essence of the character. I can see i'm probably wrong with that though. Left me slightly confused as to what defines a portrait now! Ah, well. I'm sure i'll learn! :)
E.T.A: Does a portrait need to be contrived then? That would leave out candid portraiture of course. And wild birds! You're all fired!! |
When the London Times hires you to get a Portrait of Beckham for the cover of their Weekend Magazine and you hand them a picture of him scoring a goal, don't be surprised when they don't pay you OR send you back to go get a portrait... |
Ah, well that explains why i never got any money for those portraits of Victoria shopping.
E.T.A: 'London Times' :) I do love the quaintness of it being known as that in the U.S. Lovely stuff.
Message edited by author 2010-01-04 21:07:12. |
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01/04/2010 09:03:44 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Sirashley:
... I'm shocked ... just goes to show ... when you think you know the voters on this site, you don't!
... I never shoot for the voters, and that explains allot of my entries :) |
Originally posted by Sirashley:
... It finished right where I thought it would, which is good, because it means that I am getting good at judging how the voters will vote |
LOL! You sure have a handle on the voters, don't you. :-D |
That was my point...LOL... Just when you think you know how people will vote, you don't... That's what makes this site so interesting, and moreover, that's why I don't shoot for the voters. If you do shoot for the voters, you'll drive yourself insane...
I went out and did my shots for the challenge. After all the processing, I decided on the shot I entered because I liked it the best. I figured voters would react to it mixed and I'd probably end up around 5.6, which I did, 5.9 I think. BUT THEN, I see Cory's image, which I voted a 7, and I thought would clearly finish ahead of mine, and it doesn't. I guess that was my point... I don't know, I'm half in the bag :) |
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01/04/2010 09:26:51 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I define candid as being the opposite of formal. Some actions don't fall into the category of formal OR informal, if you can see the difference. Such as, hammering nails or throwing a ball are actions that many people wouldn't consider being a candid moment. I know based on previous Challenges that some people consider a person sleeping as being candid BUT I would have a tough time saying that a person that's asleep, is being "informal"
You're free to define these things as you wish but to call the image above a portrait or a candid puts you on very weak footing, either way. |
Interesting. I know it probably seems such a simple thing for many people but i think my idea of 'portrait' was so wide i'm trying to narrow it down a bit and understand it better. I'd never say that was a candid shot though, action portraiture maybe. Your formal/in-formal categories are interesting. The way i look at 'candid' is that the subject has to be unaware of the camera. The post 'candid' challenge discussion should be worth having but i don't want to talk too much about that yet when the challenge is still on..
Message edited by author 2010-01-04 21:38:31. |
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01/04/2010 09:30:13 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by Sirashley:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Sirashley:
... I'm shocked ... just goes to show ... when you think you know the voters on this site, you don't!
... I never shoot for the voters, and that explains allot of my entries :) |
Originally posted by Sirashley:
... It finished right where I thought it would, which is good, because it means that I am getting good at judging how the voters will vote |
LOL! You sure have a handle on the voters, don't you. :-D |
That was my point...LOL... Just when you think you know how people will vote, you don't... That's what makes this site so interesting, and moreover, that's why I don't shoot for the voters. If you do shoot for the voters, you'll drive yourself insane...
I went out and did my shots for the challenge. After all the processing, I decided on the shot I entered because I liked it the best. I figured voters would react to it mixed and I'd probably end up around 5.6, which I did, 5.9 I think. BUT THEN, I see Cory's image, which I voted a 7, and I thought would clearly finish ahead of mine, and it doesn't. I guess that was my point... I don't know, I'm half in the bag :) |
That's because Cory's obviously wasn't a portrait -- it was a candid! |
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01/04/2010 10:57:43 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
I define candid as being the opposite of formal. Some actions don't fall into the category of formal OR informal, if you can see the difference. Such as, hammering nails or throwing a ball are actions that many people wouldn't consider being a candid moment. I know based on previous Challenges that some people consider a person sleeping as being candid BUT I would have a tough time saying that a person that's asleep, is being "informal"
You're free to define these things as you wish but to call the image above a portrait or a candid puts you on very weak footing, either way. |
Interesting. I know it probably seems such a simple thing for many people but i think my idea of 'portrait' was so wide i'm trying to narrow it down a bit and understand it better. I'd never say that was a candid shot though, action portraiture maybe. Your formal/in-formal categories are interesting. The way i look at 'candid' is that the subject has to be unaware of the camera. The post 'candid' challenge discussion should be worth having but i don't want to talk too much about that yet when the challenge is still on.. |
As I see it, you can always add a condition or a qualifier to a genre which helps to include other aspects or expand the base concept into different directions...
Portraiture
Street Portraiture
Candid Portraiture
Group Portrait
Animal/Pet Portraiture
etc.
So, generally speaking, the first being the most straightforward or purist definition while the additional words allow for new elements to be included yet keep the core concept of a portrait, intact.
I'd say that's a very Candid Portrait. Even though he was quite aware of my camera, his reaction was genuine, informal and the camera while present, wasn't what he was communicating to. It was an honest unguarded moment.
Message edited by author 2010-01-04 23:09:36. |
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01/04/2010 11:55:26 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by Sirashley:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Sirashley:
... I'm shocked ... just goes to show ... when you think you know the voters on this site, you don't!
... I never shoot for the voters, and that explains allot of my entries :) |
Originally posted by Sirashley:
... It finished right where I thought it would, which is good, because it means that I am getting good at judging how the voters will vote |
LOL! You sure have a handle on the voters, don't you. :-D |
That was my point...LOL... Just when you think you know how people will vote, you don't... That's what makes this site so interesting, and moreover, that's why I don't shoot for the voters. If you do shoot for the voters, you'll drive yourself insane...
I went out and did my shots for the challenge. After all the processing, I decided on the shot I entered because I liked it the best. I figured voters would react to it mixed and I'd probably end up around 5.6, which I did, 5.9 I think. BUT THEN, I see Cory's image, which I voted a 7, and I thought would clearly finish ahead of mine, and it doesn't. I guess that was my point... I don't know, I'm half in the bag :) |
That's because Cory's obviously wasn't a portrait -- it was a candid! |
To vawendy-LOL!!
To Sirashley- Geez I'm blushing... Thank you so much for liking my image - Funny enough I voted you a 7 too.. |
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