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12/28/2009 05:37:31 PM · #26

No that is fair enough, I wont be voting, but that was how I read it, nothing more, nothing less. And people where asking about how they read it.

karmat

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12/28/2009 05:38:54 PM · #27

You really don't need SC opinion, you really only need to understand the voters.

Not meeting the challenge (entering a Enya song) is not grounds for dq. However, if the voters don't like it, they have the ultimate say.

:)

12/28/2009 05:47:51 PM · #28

Originally posted by karmat:

That's kinda weak. If the person who authored the Challenge meant "anything Paul Simon" why can't they just say so? That would eliminate ALL the bullshit people project...end of story. Cus now...even though I never dreamed it, there's a hitch and since a few ideas I had were Simon Garfunkel, I won't even bother knowing that 20-30 voters might see that as a DNMC. Personally, I don't like playing when the rules aren't clear, especially in a simple matter such as this.

Either way it goes why would you let the voters add or interpret in a condition IF that's not what was meant?

Message edited by author 2009-12-28 17:51:19.

12/28/2009 05:48:56 PM · #29

Originally posted by pawdrix:

Originally posted by JulietNN:
well I would say no.

it doesnt say Simon AND Garfunkel, just Paul Simon

as in single

well that is my take on this Free Study =P

No offense Juliet BUT that's freakin ridiculous. ANYTHING that Paul Simon wrote is fair game.

eta: For the record, I was going to enter. Now I won't.

Same here.

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12/28/2009 05:52:31 PM · #30

Originally posted by pawdrix:

Originally posted by karmat:
You really don't need SC opinion, you really only need to understand the voters.

Not meeting the challenge (entering a Enya song) is not grounds for dq. However, if the voters don't like it, they have the ultimate say.

:)

That's kinda weak. If the person who authored the Challenge meant "anything Paul Simon" why can't they just say so? That would eliminate ALL the bullshit people project...end of story. Cus now...even though I never dreamed it, there's a hitch and since a few ideas I had were Simon Garfunkel, I won't even bother knowing that 20-30 voters might see that as a DNMC. Personally, I don't like playing when the rules aren't clear, especially in a simple matter such as this.

Again, I totally agree. What does it take to place one friggin sentence stating that this challenge is about Paul Simon's solo work and not while he was with Garfunkel.

Good luck to all.

~~I will vote and I will vote down ANY S&G song used in this challenge, end of story!~~

Not going to vote at all.

Message edited by author 2009-12-29 07:45:15.

TrollMan

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12/28/2009 06:01:11 PM · #31

Mr. Jac & Mr pawdrix: If someone asked you to list the works of for example Quincy Jones; would you then only list the songs he sang or the songs he wrote for others to sing?

SO... the works of Paul Simon includes everything he wrote whether it was performed by S & G, just S himself or anyone else. No? Bridge over troubles waters: written by Simon but performed by S & G.

The rules are perfectly clear to me and the game as usual is to satisfy the majority of the voters whatever it takes - well; if you want to score well that is :)

What part of the rules are not clear to you?

karmat

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12/28/2009 06:04:41 PM · #32

original thread

Langdon and the SC don't typically write the descriptions. We let the "suggestors" do that. :)

Again, it is up to you as the photog to interpret the description and to enter as you see fit.

GeneralE

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12/28/2009 06:11:28 PM · #33

Here is the first post of the original suggestion thread (emphasis added):

Originally posted by MattO:

OK so I'm a huge fan of Paul Simon and his music, not so much Simon and Garfunkel though, but either would be OK.

Portray a song, title, album, or line of one of the songs in a photo. Title of your entry the song title.

Alternatively take a photo and represent one of his songs and make a CD cover of it. This could have the extra rule set of adding text.

I'd love to see what some of the DPC members could do with this.

Matt

Personally, I have no problem with a submission of anything written by Paul Simon; what the voters will have a problem with is anyone's guess ...

karmat

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12/28/2009 06:12:08 PM · #34

what GeneralE said is what I have been trying to say.

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12/28/2009 06:15:23 PM · #35

Damn dudes, chill out. I was only saying how I saw the description. 500 other people may see it the other way.

When I read it I saw it as Paul Simon singing solo. It may be wrong, or right. who knows, it is up to whomever reads the description and their take on it.

Don't friggin blame me if you are not going to enter. You read the description how you see it. Don't blame me if your balls shriveled up when you read someone else read it differently.

Message edited by author 2009-12-28 18:15:45.

12/28/2009 06:16:05 PM · #36

Originally posted by karmat:

Tell that to those who only read challenge titles. Those are the ones I'm afraid of, the DNMC police.

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12/28/2009 06:19:15 PM · #37

Originally posted by JulietNN:

hmmm, where exactly did someone blame you Juliette? :) Don't feel bad, it has nothing to do with what you said here.

Clear and concise descriptions is what I want and I think it's not much to ask for.

GeneralE

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12/28/2009 06:22:12 PM · #38

The title says "Paul Simon Songs/Lyrics" -- "to me" that clearly says songs written/composed by Paul Simon; nothing at all about who performed/recorded it. AFAIK, one of the songs I actually play myself (and would be easy to photograph) was a fairly popular song on the radio, but never recorded by Simon with or without Art Garfunkel ...

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12/28/2009 06:24:50 PM · #39

Originally posted by Jac:

Originally posted by pawdrix:

Originally posted by JulietNN:
well I would say no.

it doesnt say Simon AND Garfunkel, just Paul Simon

as in single

well that is my take on this Free Study =P

No offense Juliet BUT that's freakin ridiculous. ANYTHING that Paul Simon wrote is fair game.

eta: For the record, I was going to enter. Now I won't.

Same here.

Well this certainly seems like you are both taking offense to what I said!

I apologize if you both didn't and am glad all of your balls are the same size as they where.

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12/28/2009 06:26:07 PM · #40

Originally posted by TrollMan:

The thing is that an amazing Paul Simon/Simon and Garfunkel entry AND for arguments sake, an image that might be the absolute undisputed best in the entire Challenge would be viewed and voted on as DNMC by Juliet, JAC and I'll assume many, many other voters. Had the rules been clear from the word go (which I and you think ARE clear but apparently are not so) would they have voted differently, in that case?

Even though MattO is clear, that all is fair game and GeneralIE says, I assume that's what he had in mind, as well, I would hope anyone reading that and interpreting it otherwise would now see things differently?

TrollMan

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12/28/2009 06:28:50 PM · #41

Originally posted by JulietNN:

I apologize if you both didn't and am glad all of your balls are the same size as they where.

Dang you Juliet! Mine still look like banzai prunes. Take it easy on us ol ogres; will ya? :P

Bugzeye

12/28/2009 06:29:18 PM · #42

Anything he wrote or anything he has recorded or had someone else record, If his name is in the credits that justifies saying he worked on it. The Works of Paul Simon is not limited to only what he wrote...For example He could record a song that was first recorded by Tina Turner but writen by Elvis and it would still be the works of Paul Simon because he worked on it in the studio. I was thinking about entering this, But because of the reasons mentioned above. I will sit this one out. In the future, descriptions should be more clear for challenges... Mass confusion happens far too often around here.

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12/28/2009 06:34:24 PM · #43

Originally posted by TrollMan:

Originally posted by JulietNN:

I apologize if you both didn't and am glad all of your balls are the same size as they where.

Dang you Juliet! Mine still look like banzai prunes. Take it easy on us ol ogres; will ya? :P

=0P

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12/28/2009 06:36:56 PM · #44

Originally posted by pawdrix:

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The thing is that an amazing Paul Simon/Simon and Garfunkel entry AND for arguments sake, an image that might be the absolute undisputed best in the entire Challenge would be viewed and voted on as DNMC by Juliet,

As I stated, this is how I read the description, BUT also stated that I was not going to vote

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12/28/2009 06:37:40 PM · #45

Originally posted by JulietNN:

it is up to whomever reads the description and their take on it.

Again, "no offense". Please don't take it personally but it should NOT be left up to voters and how they "read the description" to add or negate things in this type situation or manner. If 25% of the entries are being viewed as DNMC's and they were absolutely meant to be included in the cope of the Challenge (according to the authors intent) that's not a cool thing.

ah'm jes sayin...

General it's NOT CLEAR if two people posted in this thread that they viewed this as a Paul Simon Solo career Challenge and one person said "I will vote and I will vote down ANY S&G song used in this challenge, end of story!"

If that doesn't state there's a problem based on the MattO's suggestion and your interpretation then I don't know...

BUT I'm not going to wake up at sunbreak and shoot The Brooklyn Bridge Over Troubled Water only to get my ass kicked. Not worth it...no way...

Message edited by author 2009-12-28 18:46:21.

GeneralE

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12/28/2009 06:39:37 PM · #46

Originally posted by Bugzeye:

In the future, descriptions should be more clear for challenges...

What's "unclear" about this?

Originally posted by Challenge Description:

Portray a lyric, song title, or album title from the works of Paul Simon in a photo. Title your entry the lyric, song, or album.

If it was "the works of Ludwig von Beethoven" would everything be DNMC because he never recorded it himself, or it was recorded by a whole orchestra ...?

I'd love to know the motivation of those who look for the tiniest excuse to exclude photos which would obviously fit any reasonably broad interpretation of the challenge title/description. On second thought, maybe I don't want to know -- it would just be depressing ... :-(

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12/28/2009 06:41:57 PM · #47

No offense taken (okay maybe a little but...)

That is what descriptions are for I think.

Example. If the description said. Photograph an orange fruit. You know that people would be asking if it was orange the colour, an orange, an orange with or without the skin, a tangerine, a manderine, a sliced orange , a segmented orange, a dried up one, one on a naked girl, pieces of orange, an orange car, an orange sunset.

that is just the way it is::::::::Everyone reads even the simplest of descriptions differently. That is what makes the world different.

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12/28/2009 06:46:32 PM · #48

This challenge seems pretty simple to me. Basically a free study based upon any song that Paul Simon was associated with. It is about the image and title you give. I think whether he wrote it, sang it, copyrighted, or just recorded it - does not matter. If it is associated with Paul Simon it is game. Certainly every S&G song should be valid.

Message edited by author 2009-12-28 18:47:36.

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12/28/2009 06:49:55 PM · #49

I thought my description in the other thread would have caused no issues in the interpretation of the challenge. And I don't see how it is worded really leaves much doubt about whether S&G songs would be allowed or not. Geeze people can't you just for once open your mind and not be so one tracked.

Matt