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02/10/2004 04:15:24 PM · #101 |
Darn, I'm late to the party once again. First off, as GeneralE already stated, disqualifications are not given for not following these rules about photographic integrity. DQ's are only being given for other offenses like taking a photo on the wrong date or scanning in images. It is all spelled out in the rules section.
Now to my main point. People that think that every photo can be captured precisely the way you saw it in reality have more to learn about photography. Sorry, but this is the truth. While the camera can get it right in a lot of cases, the camera often cannot fully capture the true dynamic range of values or all the colors present in the original scene. With these pictures, unless you are willing to have them appear inaccurate, you will need to make adjustments in post editing. Now if you want to go even further and attempt to capture what you "fealt" about a beautiful scene, like the chill in the air or the soft colors in a field of flowers, then you will need to know how to enhance certain parts of the photo to reflect those feelings. This is the art in the photography as apposed to photojournalism (note: even photojournalits have some liberty to correct exposures). I hope you noticed that I mention the words correct and enhance in relation to the editing as apposed to the word manipulated. Photographs, in the context of art (not digital art), should be allowed to be corrected or enhanced to reflect the photographer's vision. To me, this falls under photographic integrity, when you are simply improving on what is already in a photo to make it the best it can be. I think a photo goes against photographic integrity when it is manipulated with cheesy filter effects as well as the addition, subtraction or altering of significant photographic elements that change the photo in a substantional way. Sure, this is subjective to some degree but I don't think it is very difficult to understand where you are safely within the limits.
What I find a little disturbing is that when we have a ton of lattitude now in these advanced editing rules and there are still people that choose to straddle the line between what should be acceptable and what is not.
T
Message edited by author 2004-02-10 16:31:54.
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02/10/2004 06:07:17 PM · #102 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I have earned my right to whine :)
At this point, I wouldn't encourage anyone to post a comment indicating that they have given a score of 1. People don't take it well. They don't accept 'my' interpretation of what I see.
I don't care to get PMs from photographers during the voting. Generally when I do, its someone explaining why my comment is wrong. This makes me want to go back and dock the score to something even lower usually. Pandering doesn't play well with me.
So, in a nutshell, you are right. I think everyone would be happier overall :) |
Right on! I try to comment on every low score I give and every day after I vote I get messages saying I'm stupid. I kind of like it though. I may be stupid but I didn't take that horrible picture. I also go back and re-vote when the negative PMers are dumb enough to tell me what picture was theirs.
Note: I appreciate it when people send nice PMs and ask questions about my comments. I have re-voted and raised scores when this happens. |
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02/10/2004 06:11:21 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by louddog:
I appreciate it when people send nice PMs and ask questions about my comments. I have re-voted and raised scores when this happens. |
Why? Are you easily influenced? Is this allowed?
Message edited by author 2004-02-10 18:15:38.
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02/10/2004 06:15:39 PM · #104 |
| I'm not at all easily influenced. I just appreciate the few people that can take criticism and want to know more about why I didn't like it. |
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02/10/2004 06:16:29 PM · #105 |
I think that's good too - but to go bump up their score becasue of it? or am I getting it wrong?
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02/10/2004 06:19:00 PM · #106 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
Originally posted by louddog:
I appreciate it when people send nice PMs and ask questions about my comments. I have re-voted and raised scores when this happens. |
Why? Are you easily influenced? Is this allowed? |
If it's not allowed then we should not be able to change our score after the vote has been cast. Or we shouldn't be able to see who the comment is from so there is no PM'ing during the challenge.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not opposed to seeing who the comment was left by during voting - and I'm not truly opposed to PM'ing during a challenge. Sometimes a viewer is missing something and doesn't see the photographers point of view. I think that might be where louddog is coming from??
Edit: left out a (very important) word :-)
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02/10/2004 06:21:32 PM · #107 |
Agreed it's good sometimes. I have been corrected many a time and gone back and changed my statement, but never the score I don't think.
I can't think of a situation where one could possibly be influenced to change scores? (upwards anyway;)
Message edited by author 2004-02-10 18:21:55.
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02/10/2004 06:22:50 PM · #108 |
I get a lot of negative PMs from my comments. When someone takes the time to give a positive PM, I'll go look at their photo again and re-think the score I gave them. Sometimes looking at the photo a second time I see something I missed and I raise it a point.
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02/10/2004 11:37:57 PM · #109 |
lol I've never had anyone complain about a comment I've left even when it's been very negative, hey louddog, maybe it's not NORMAL to have that much angst directed towards you. Just a thought......I guess it'd be like being the office know-it-all that no one invites to parties. Bahahaha!
On a side note I don't think whining is a 'right' and I think everyone will agree that it's not a quality you earn like integrity [fitting for the topic don'tcha think?] Booourns!
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02/10/2004 11:41:26 PM · #110 |
| I think it really would be better if the commenter's identity was hidden uhtil the voting is over. |
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