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11/18/2009 04:37:59 PM · #176 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by farfel53:
HaHaHa...you mean like illegal immigrants you want to cover? |
Nobody here has ever suggested covering illegal immigrants. |
You mean the people that come here to take part in the American dream and get free health care and education, but won't do it within the boundaries of the law, and eventuall become citizens and pay THEIR fair share of the taxes? Sorry, my mistake.
Aren't about 13 million illegals included in the supposed 45 million "uninsured" that we are talking about? |
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11/18/2009 05:15:13 PM · #177 |
Originally posted by farfel53:
Aren't about 13 million illegals included in the supposed 45 million "uninsured" that we are talking about? |
None of the health care bills currently proposed in Congress provide for coverage of "illegal" aliens ... they may be uninsured, but will not be able to buy insurance under any of these plans. Instead they will go to the ER and be treated (more expensive than if they DID have insurance and a primary care provider) and we will STILL pay the cost, just not through as rational and cost-effective system.
BTW, a lot of "illegals" who come here to work DO pay taxes now. For example, if they use someone else's (or a phony) Social Security number to get a job, they'll still have SSA taxes and Federal/State income taxes withheld, but they'll never be able to file/collect on those deductions. They also pay sales taxes, gasoline taxes, taxes on their utility bills, etc. |
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11/18/2009 05:24:23 PM · #178 |
Originally posted by farfel53:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by farfel53:
:)
And my only beef with any of the whole discussion stems from a matter of liberty: whether my duty becomes the governments' business. We are duty bound as members of society to perform charitable works. Which, how much, to whom and how often shouldn't be anybody's decision but mine, IMHO. I respect the opposite viewpoint to some degree, and see the motivation, but disagree with the execution, efficacy, and the morality of forcing a choice based on somebody elses political considerations. |
And those who choose to shirk their societal duty to perform charitable works while reaping the benefits of that same society to excess? |
HaHaHa...you mean like illegal immigrants you want to cover? |
No, I mean the wealthy. The 5% who hold 95% of the wealth.
Why do you bring up illegal immigrants? No one is suggesting that.
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11/18/2009 05:30:12 PM · #179 |
Originally posted by farfel53:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by farfel53:
HaHaHa...you mean like illegal immigrants you want to cover? |
Nobody here has ever suggested covering illegal immigrants. |
You mean the people that come here to take part in the American dream and get free health care and education, but won't do it within the boundaries of the law, and eventuall become citizens and pay THEIR fair share of the taxes? Sorry, my mistake.
Aren't about 13 million illegals included in the supposed 45 million "uninsured" that we are talking about? |
No, they aren't.
And many illegal immigrants do pay their share of taxes, yet they are ineligible for the benefits of doing so. And, no, I don't have a problem with illegal immigrants not getting benefits. If I went to a civilized country like France and got sick, I would be treated, but I'm not eligible for care under their national health care plan, so I'd have to pay.
So far, you've done nothing, but rant about how "unfair" this proposed plan is, but you have yet to suggest any solution that would result in at least basic coverage for all citizens. |
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11/19/2009 05:01:21 AM · #180 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
...Anarcho-Syndicalism... |
I seriously never thought I'd hear this outside of this. :) |
Be quiet! |
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