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 11/16/2009 12:06:42 PM · #26
Originally posted by karmat:
I, personally, don't care too much for it either (the not even trying to be 47 steps from home) -- I feel it was blatant disregard for the spirit of the rules, BUT some of the language in this thread is very, very strong. I do not think Nuzzer is a CHEATER, as he didn't break any rules.


I understand the necessity for your comment, that challenge descriptions are not "rules" and ignoring them is not a DQable offense, but out in the real world things work a little differently. I don't think it's much of a stretch when people call this "cheating", because in reality he *IS* cheating us, the voters, and there's no two ways about it. It may not be prosecutable, but it's still "cheating" in the true sense of the word.

Look, if I am doing the NY Times Sunday crossword and I look at the solution to help me through a troublesome spot, I'm cheating. Maybe cheating nobody but myself, and maybe the cheating's in no way prosecutable, but it's still cheating and I know it. All kinds of unprosecutable cheating goes on in life; cheating on a diet, for example. Telling white lies to make yourself look better is cheating. And so forth and so on.

So I don't think it's unreasonable that some of us might look at Nuzzer's comment and be pissed off, not even so much because he "cheated" (which he did, by any reasonable definition of the word in the real world), but even more so because he made a point of rubbing our noses in it...

R.
 11/16/2009 12:09:52 PM · #27
Kind of a discourager as well. I mean if I was someone who never entered a challenge (I practically am actually, but have been here long enough to know the drill) seeing this would a) tell me that you can ultimately do what you want if the pictures good, and the challenge description doesn't matter or b) why bother enterting, somebodys just gonna cheat anyway.
 11/16/2009 12:10:16 PM · #28
this was all hashed out before. i think with the 2sec exposure challenge - and the 1st place image. and on top of that - having been validated - still wasn't DQ'd.

in both cases anyone who entered, or voted was deceived. but the only person cheated was the photographer.

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 11/16/2009 12:12:11 PM · #29
I'm not going to get hung up on the semantics of word "cheating." Using the broad brush you all are using could lead to some very interesting discussions.

If you read my comments in this thread and another, you can see I'm not all that impressed by his tactics, either. But, to slam someone's entire character over one incident, that technically isn't even against the rules, is to me, over the top.

11/16/2009 12:15:48 PM · #30
Maybe they should have a "most hated DPC member" list.. wonder who might be at the top. : (

edited to add: if we don't follow the guidelines of the contest we should just have free studies all the time.

Message edited by author 2009-11-16 12:18:34.
 11/16/2009 12:17:01 PM · #31
Well, DPC is very good with helping photographers who lack various technical skills such as lighting etc, perhaps it should take into account and be more lenient with those photographers who are technically excellent but who struggle with creativity and imagination?

E.T.A. I was being a bit tongue in cheek there.

Message edited by author 2009-11-16 12:19:07.
 11/16/2009 12:19:38 PM · #32
Originally posted by karmat:
I'm not going to get hung up on the semantics of word "cheating." Using the broad brush you all are using could lead to some very interesting discussions.

If you read my comments in this thread and another, you can see I'm not all that impressed by his tactics, either. But, to slam someone's entire character over one incident, that technically isn't even against the rules, is to me, over the top.


If you don't want your character to be questioned, don't have questionable character. That's my opinion.

Not that I don't sometimes have questionable character, but I at least keep it to just generally being an opinionated asshole.
 11/16/2009 12:19:56 PM · #33
Originally posted by love:
Maybe they should have a "most hated DPC member" list.. wonder who might be at the top. : (

edited to add: if we don't follow the guidelines of the contest we should just have free studies all the time.


Haha, I'd be in the top 10 I bet.
 11/16/2009 12:20:23 PM · #34
I too have always disliked the attitude that because you can not be DQ̢۪ed for DNMC all bets are off. The conflict for me is that it also says in the rules that you should take the challenge description into account when voting. That is something hard to do in cases like this.

How someone behaves in the small things in life reflects on their character in the larger areas of their life. For many of us character matters. For someone to blatantly violate the spirit of the challenge just to score better on a challenge that rewards you with a virtual ribbon is indeed a sad act. Hopefully the individual will learn something about life from this act.

Message edited by author 2009-11-16 12:22:21.
 11/16/2009 12:24:06 PM · #35
I, personally, would love to see shoehorns/dnmc as dq'able. The issue is though is the interpretation. SC would have to make a lot of judgement calls, and do a lot of stretching to figure out what could the tie be to the challenge.

Good example would be that frog on the flower thread regarding the back to school challenge. 99% of people say its DNMC, but the artist feels that its an obvious connection...frogs...science.

I think that would increase the quality of the images on DPC, decrease the amount of entries per challenge, which would in turn increase the amount of voters/commentors, and overall provide a pretty awesome (and relatively fair) learning experience, but at the same time you risk alienating and potentially losing people who get dq'd on those grounds.
 11/16/2009 12:25:02 PM · #36
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
A whole lot of us entered into the spirit of the challenge and attempted to glorify the mundane.

How about you?

R.


I think it's a shame that he didn't learn, as we did, from the excercise of having fun being creative.
But that's his loss.
Telling us about it after the fact is pointless.
 11/16/2009 12:43:39 PM · #37
It might only a small consolation but I noticed that there are a few less favs for this image now and the comments are somewhat nasty...
 11/16/2009 01:12:41 PM · #38
this is sad. i had the same thought about it being questionable that it was 47 steps from the person's door, but gave it the benefit of the doubt anyway.

living where i do, i could have easily driven somewhere and took an epic scenic shot but i have morals. being so blatant about having complete disregard for the guidelines while others followed them is what's upsetting.

Message edited by author 2009-11-16 18:03:16.
 11/16/2009 01:14:13 PM · #39
i think you meant 'complete disregard for the guidelines.'

Originally posted by Cuttooth:
living where i do, i could have easily drove somewhere and took an epic scenic shot but i have morals. being so blatant about having no disregard for the guidelines while others followed them is what's upsetting.

 11/16/2009 01:35:11 PM · #40
This challenge is the first that I scored over a 5.0 in. I did the challenge according to the description EXACTLY.. to the point where I found myself in a very odd and rather uncomfortable position. It was cold, about 3am and I was busy with a box of chalk on my stair case. I had fun, and I am very proud of my photo, I got several great comments..

What I am saying is, I couldn\'t care less about some dick who is willing to go out of his way to get a shot that would win instead of taking the spirit of the game to heart. I\'m not going to win cash with a ribbon from this forum, I don\'t even really get critiques worth anything truthfully..I\'m here to improve my photography, I enjoy the challenges, and I am not looking to score a ribbon, if I manage one, then great, but I not expecting it. I don\'t believe everyone in here votes accurately anyways.

...there is no value to an award won through dishonesty, especially on a photography forum.. common.. I was pretty sure most of us were out of grade school... lol
 11/16/2009 01:42:25 PM · #41
I totally agree with Bear on this and would like to point out that he even titled it to mislead us.

Liar liar pants on fire. ( Challenge suggestion? )

All for a ribbon, sad.
 11/16/2009 01:51:04 PM · #42
Originally posted by AJSullivan:
I think that would increase the quality of the images on DPC, decrease the amount of entries per challenge, which would in turn increase the amount of voters/commentors, and overall provide a pretty awesome (and relatively fair) learning experience ...

No offense, AJ, but that's a lot of assumptions! Besides, we do not want to open the DNMC/DQ can of worms. Luckily, most challenges don't depend on the word of the photographer.
 11/16/2009 01:52:26 PM · #43
Good for you, Dana ( deers) - this was a very good entry for the challenge - nice work!

11/16/2009 01:57:44 PM · #44
Maybe requiring us to upload an image of the surroundings after voting could have helped in eliminating the not so honest ones.
 11/16/2009 02:00:30 PM · #45
Guys, I get it - no one likes it when someone dupes them, then brags about it, or even dupes them then stays quiet. But really, is it worth whining over endlessly? Why not find other shots in the challenge, like Dana's for instance, where folks really did try to make the best of the situation they found themselves in. There are quite a few interesting ones. Comment on those, rather than beating the dead horse here. Just a thought!
 11/16/2009 02:02:47 PM · #46
Originally posted by citymars:
Originally posted by AJSullivan:
I think that would increase the quality of the images on DPC, decrease the amount of entries per challenge, which would in turn increase the amount of voters/commentors, and overall provide a pretty awesome (and relatively fair) learning experience ...

No offense, AJ, but that's a lot of assumptions! Besides, we do not want to open the DNMC/DQ can of worms. Luckily, most challenges don't depend on the word of the photographer.


Yeah, I know, I was just going off of past complaints I've heard...to many entries so nobody wants to vote on 100%, same with commenting, but yeah, its a lot of assumptions, but I stand by the idea haha.
 11/16/2009 02:21:49 PM · #47
i was ready to leave a nasty comment, too, but am glad i took a minute to read the rest of this thread.

no doubt about it, what the photographer did was unethical but i'm over it.

i happen to think that a couple of mind-blowingly excellent shots got the shaft in this challenge,

like these:


there were magnificent shots in this challenge and, honestly, i gave that guy's shot a six. it was okay but what he had in technical skill, he lacked in vision and creativity and i voted accordingly.

it's just one more challenge where those interesting and unique images are passed over for something more commercially pleasing. {i'm not knocking riboon winners, guys, so bear with me. :)} this guy cheated himself and, yeah, i feel like an idiot for falling for it, at least a little bit. that's what i'm more irriatated about and i would hazard to guess that most of you are also pissed that you fell for it (or would have), too. so, it was a crappy thing to do. but guys, it's just a photograph of water and there are lots more that are way better. i couldn't care less about his score, or his place, because what it showed me was that i have enough creativity to pull something out of thin air (even if it was like 68th or 69th place) and i love my shot. i love it!

his is so-so. how sad for him.
 11/16/2009 02:34:00 PM · #48
Originally posted by soup:
i think you meant 'complete disregard for the guidelines.'


oops, you're right, corrected.
 11/16/2009 03:16:09 PM · #49
Thanks Melethia! I agree, there were MANY great shots that deserved the higher positions on the placement list. Thanks again to everyone who left me comments. I have a blast on these challenges!
 11/16/2009 03:27:18 PM · #50
For those of you leaving comments on the photograph, please go re-read what you wrote and consider whether it is really necessary or even "helpful". I am not defending the action of the photographer but requesting a modicum of maturity and civility on the part of all. Thanks.
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