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 11/13/2009 08:43:19 AM · #1
Ohhhhh Noooooooo!

Now, this really scares me a bit. As a New Yorker I can say many of us harbor small and large fears of another attack. Not all the time but thoughts do cross my mind often enough, when I ride the subway through the tunnels and cross bridges...even walking Times Square.

This placement of the trial seems like an awful idea, for some reason. With all the fringe players turning up it's easy enough for them to create havoc down by the courthouses to make a pretty bold statement. This doesn't make me feel good at all...certainly not safe. With all the billions and billions of dollars spent batting this hornets nest, I felt real queasy after reading that headline.

Any thoughts?
 11/13/2009 08:57:02 AM · #2
NYC seems like the most appropriate place to bring the alleged 9/11 mastermind to justice. Hopefully we have more against him than the sure-to-be-tossed "evidence" gleaned through waterboarding. I think it would be an utter failure of the billions we've spent on Homeland Security and a huge victory for Al Qaeda to move the trial out of fear of terrorists. If all the bad guys in the world demanded attacks on NYC, I would have no problem sitting in that courtroom to demonstrate that we will not cower and we will not hide.
 11/13/2009 08:57:05 AM · #3
Isn't the law say that the trial must be held with in the jurisdiction of where the crime was committed?
 11/13/2009 09:05:21 AM · #4
Yes, but this crime was committed against the US, not just NY, although NY received the brunt of it.
 11/13/2009 09:11:38 AM · #5
Originally posted by scalvert:
I would have no problem sitting in that courtroom to demonstrate that we will not cower and we will not hide.


The courtroom will be the safest place on the planet. I'm more concerned with the the days before the trial when nobody's expecting anything.

I agree that NYC is the place but since this crime and the extent of the terror network has grown, circumstances could be seen in a different light. This isn'ta business as usual scenario. I'm not all that scared but it's creepy that they have been relatively silent for so long.

Rumsfeld, Biden, Cheney, Obama...practically everyone, assured us that there would be more nasty activity at some point and noted how hard it was to prevent. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts if or when something happens it won't be in your town or most folks neck of the woods.

Message edited by author 2009-11-13 09:16:15.
 11/13/2009 09:11:39 AM · #6
Eh, I see what youre saying, but in reality, if a foreigner had come in and just killed a bunch of people, his trial would be in the jurisdiction of where its committed. The govt has bent the constitution plenty in regards to these guys, its got no flex left in it.
 11/13/2009 10:20:26 AM · #7
This can be looked at two different ways,

One. The Terrorist like using the element of surprise, during this trial every security system, every police officer, every FBI agent etc is going to be on full alert making it quite difficult for them to sneak around it.

Two. That being said. This trial is going to get massive media attention, there will be camera crews from all over the world in the area. Which would lead to huge exposure, That is also something the terrorist would like to have.

I am sure there will be at the minimum some protesting going on around the courthouse but a large scale attack is probably not going to happen.
 11/13/2009 10:49:28 AM · #8
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I am sure there will be at the minimum some protesting going on around the courthouse but a large scale attack is probably not going to happen.


Can you guarantee me that...?



Happy times! I was shooting down there just last week for a client and for kicks.
 11/13/2009 11:20:20 AM · #9
No I can't guarantee anything, But I would imagine that there will be some activist group out and about. I am watching a press conference on BBC right now about the trial.

Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
I am sure there will be at the minimum some protesting going on around the courthouse but a large scale attack is probably not going to happen.


Can you guarantee me that...?



Happy times! I was shooting down there just last week for a client and for kicks.
11/13/2009 11:25:45 AM · #10
Originally posted by scalvert:
Hopefully we have more against him than the sure-to-be-tossed "evidence" gleaned through waterboarding.


We probably don't, he is the self proclaimed mastermind, and I'm sure a good lawyer will say that he only made that claim under fear of torture. In a US court that's all thrown out. He walks free. Isn't America great?
 11/13/2009 11:52:45 AM · #11
Would he get a fair and unbiased trial in the US though? In New York?

Doubtful.
 11/13/2009 12:00:30 PM · #12
I think they are going to have a hard time pooling a jury for this one.

Originally posted by Simms:
Would he get a fair and unbiased trial in the US though? In New York?

Doubtful.
11/13/2009 12:08:20 PM · #13
Why do you think they have taken this approach and not a military hearing?
 11/13/2009 01:02:55 PM · #14
He'll get a fair trial in NYC (more than fair, most likely), and when he's convicted I think they should hang the bastard at the World Trade Center with full media coverage.



Hell, I'd pay big bucks to watch that on Pay-Per-View. :)

11/13/2009 01:08:10 PM · #15
Originally posted by Mick:
He'll get a fair trial in NYC (more than fair, most likely), and when he's convicted I think they should hang the bastard at the World Trade Center with full media coverage.



Hell, I'd pay big bucks to watch that on Pay-Per-View. :)


Now, that's what I call "Family Entertainment"!
 11/13/2009 04:54:13 PM · #16
Originally posted by scalvert:
I think it would be an utter failure of the billions we've spent on Homeland Security and a huge victory for Al Qaeda to move the trial out of fear of terrorists. I


*[{Snicker}]* News break! Al Qaeda already had the huge victory when they tricked us into spending those billions in the first place. Moving the trial would just be a cherry on top.
 11/13/2009 05:07:59 PM · #17
Originally posted by FireBird:
Al Qaeda already had the huge victory when they tricked us into spending those billions in the first place. Moving the trial would just be a cherry on top.

Apparently they also tricked us into freezing much of their assets, capturing or killing key leaders, overthrowing their hosts, and forcing them into permanent hiding. It seems to me that having your adversary fear you even more after all that is a bigger trick.
 11/13/2009 05:14:22 PM · #18
You gotta wonder who really has the upper hand when we need 40k more soldiers to go in there and find them, when there is no way in hell their numbers even come close to what we already have over there.
 11/13/2009 07:15:51 PM · #19
Originally posted by scalvert:

Apparently they also tricked us into freezing much of their assets, capturing or killing key leaders, overthrowing their hosts, and forcing them into permanent hiding.


Like the ones that survived give a flip. These are 12th century people who have manipulated our own technology against us. They like hiding, hell, we don't even know who most of them are. And they have the hearts and minds of who knows how many of their religion around the world. They certainly had the heart and mind of one in Texas.

Originally posted by scalvert:
It seems to me that having your adversary fear you even more after all that is a bigger trick.


Most of his adversary don't fear them. Only the sheeple.
 11/13/2009 07:18:29 PM · #20
Originally posted by alans_world:
Yes, but this crime was committed against the US, not just NY, although NY received the brunt of it.


Actually, it was committed against all capitalistic/infidel nations of the world. Which is why it was centered on the World Trade Center. It wasn't just the U.S., but all 'free' nations that are viewed as greedy, anti-muslim, etc. etc. etc.
 11/13/2009 07:20:11 PM · #21
He already admitted his guilt and now we have to go through this expensive sham?

Ridiculous.
 11/14/2009 09:46:35 AM · #22
Plenty of opinions to go around...

I know Halloween was a few weeks ago but in the spirit of the holiday, I think we should teach these guys how to play Bobbing for French Fries. It's a nice way to torture them and introduce them to American Culture, at the same time.

I'm not scared of anything. I mean, what happens...happens but it will cost the city an arm and a leg (not literally, I hope) and will turn the town upside down. It's all so bitter sweet and sounds good on paper but we should be careful what we wish for.

As for these guys getting as poke in the eye by having the trial at the site of the crime...I don't think they give a shit and will most likely flip the energy around in their own favor. They are quite good at that and the whole spectacle could very, very easily play inti their own hands, perfectly. They don't think the way we do and neither do their followers or half the population from that side of the world.

It might sound odd but it's probably a win win situation for both parties. We put them on trial and send them away for life, maybe execute them and they rile up their base, recruit more martyrs and fuel their cause. It's the perfect platform and everybody gets what they want in the end.

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