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02/05/2004 08:56:12 PM · #1

It's just a tought i had tonight and made some statistics. I made them really fast so they are not complete but... It look like 62.2% of the ribbon winning photo where shot with DSLR in the last 12 challenge while DSLR are no more than (around) 16% of the camera owned by DPC'ers!

I'm wondering, Is this the time to introduce category in our challenge or DPC will sadly become a DSLR owner club?

02/05/2004 09:12:06 PM · #2

Seems like a big majority of the "new" users/members are owners of DSLRs. There's 415 members on team "Rebel" already.

As the DSLR's get cheaper, more and more people will try to get there hands on one. Look at how many Canon threads in the forums and you can tell what is dominanting.

Cam

Sony DSC-F717

02/05/2004 09:16:34 PM · #3

I think any of the picures that won could have been taken with my camera-and they still would have won.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

02/05/2004 09:21:18 PM · #4

Originally posted by nicklevy:

I'm wondering, Is this the time to introduce category in our challenge or DPC will sadly become a DSLR owner club?

It might be better to separate by skill pro/amateur/novice before separating by equipment.

newtune3

Canon EOS-40D

02/05/2004 09:36:59 PM · #5

I guess I am surprised and concerned that no one has won any ribbon with the Sony MVCD400. Not much zoom but a lot of camera. Yet I lust for DSLR!!!

hsteg

Fujifilm X-T20

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM

02/05/2004 09:39:00 PM · #6

Originally posted by Riggs:

I think any of the picures that won could have been taken with my camera-and they still would have won.

I COMPLETELY agree with you. :)

casualguy

Canon EOS-20D

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

02/05/2004 09:43:09 PM · #7

I wonder what percentage of DSLR users have ribbons?

train

Panasonic DMC-FZ30

02/05/2004 09:51:36 PM · #8

sorry to be so thick but what are DSRL's
I doubt my camera is DSRL but can someone explain to me what you mean Please.
Thanks in advance.
Sally

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

02/05/2004 09:54:05 PM · #9

I wonder what percentage of ribbon winners drink coffee, maybe that's the reason ?

This comes up quite often, but often I think the order is a bit out of wack.

Many people who are good photographers, have progressed and realised they want the most creative options and bought a DSLR.

This doesn't mean that the DSLR is winning, just that people who tend to be taking good pictures also tend to have more investment in equipment. There have been plenty of winners with non SLR cameras too, often by the same people who are winning with SLRs.

It would be depressing to believe that the creativity and inspiration was from the camera, and not from the user, after all - wouldn't it ?

pitsaman

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

02/05/2004 09:59:03 PM · #10

Quality of the photos are not winning here as much as photo which perfectly match the required subject!
In other words Snapshot of a Duck will win over a perfect photo of a Duck looking Goose in the Ducks challenge!

Message edited by author 2004-02-05 22:01:16.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

02/05/2004 10:02:46 PM · #11

Originally posted by train:

sorry to be so thick but what are DSRL's
I doubt my camera is DSRL but can someone explain to me what you mean Please.
Thanks in advance.
Sally

Digital Single-Lens Reflex
SLR's in general use a mirror to redirect the image from the image sensor to the viewfinder, allowing you to see exactly what will hit the sensor (framing, focus, etc.). When you take the shot, the mirror flips out of the way so the light can hit the sensor.

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

02/05/2004 10:05:07 PM · #12

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by train:
sorry to be so thick but what are DSRL's
I doubt my camera is DSRL but can someone explain to me what you mean Please.
Thanks in advance.
Sally

Digital Single-Lens Reflex
SLR's in general use a mirror to redirect the image from the image sensor to the viewfinder, allowing you to see exactly what will hit the sensor (framing, focus, etc.). When you take the shot, the mirror flips out of the way so the light can hit the sensor.

All DSLR uses interchangeable lenses.

dsa157

Canon EOS-50D

02/05/2004 10:05:28 PM · #13

It's a poor carpenter who blames his tools.

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

02/05/2004 10:07:26 PM · #14

I think the best factors in winning is : have decent equipment, great imagination, ok PS skills, and definitely some luck.

Edit: Luck meaning "right place at the right time" or "weather cooperation" not winning or scoring high.

Message edited by author 2004-02-06 06:14:40.

justine

Canon EOS-50D

02/05/2004 10:16:17 PM · #15

Originally posted by nicklevy:

We don't have categories for 1-2 pixels or 3-4 pixel groups.
It's the photographer.

casualguy

Canon EOS-20D

Sigma 28-105mm f/2.8-4.0 Aspherical for Canon

02/05/2004 10:18:51 PM · #16

I think that the differences in cameras are somewhat squelched with the required file and pixel size for the challenges. The true difference in cameras would more prevalently show up on the printing end, no?

Rooster

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

02/05/2004 11:35:53 PM · #17

Sure it may be shocking that ribbon winners are using dslr but arent those people with it & winning controling the cams? I think equipment is good but it aint winning any ribbons for the fotogs all by themselves. If I thought I couls win a ribbon with one & would go get one (if I had the money as well). Fact is I would love one but not bc I think it will help me win ribbons. Besides my Precious has given me a lot of joy thus far & I wouldnt just ditch for a dslr to win ribbons.

I think those that have one & have won ribbons did so bc they took great fotos & we all thought they deserved to win.

coolhar

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

02/06/2004 12:42:26 AM · #18

I don't think having a DSLR is that big a factor in determining ribbon winners. And neither is luck. Look at how many of the ribboners have ribboned before. And look to see how many of their ribbons were won before they got the DSLR. For the most part they are the better photographers whatever camera they use. And there are a lot of people who got DSLRs but still haven't won anything.

If we were to split the competitions it might be smarter to do it based on talent rather than equipment. Example: Everyone who has ribboned places their photos into a Senior Division regardless of what camera they use. And the Junior Div is open to a newbie even if they have a DSLR.

tarique

Nikon Coolpix 5700

02/06/2004 12:44:48 AM · #19

Cool, how about barring all ribbon winners from all future challenges.

Nice to notice threads which were there 4 months ago still crop up :D

ScottK

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

02/06/2004 02:12:59 AM · #20

Originally posted by faidoi:

All DSLR uses interchangeable lenses.

I believe the Oly E-20 qualifies as a DSLR without interchangable lens. I'm not sure if there are others.

jonpink

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2

02/06/2004 05:59:52 AM · #21

There is a lot of discussion & opinions about what makes a winning photo above. People mention having a good camera - having a good set-up - some luck etc etc

I honestly think the main winning formula is simply the ability to think creatively and differently.

Many of the users here could replicate the winning shots easily, with or without a flashy camera. But it's the thinking process that amazes me. Take Gordonâ��s shot (which seems to have been mentioned in many threads of late) now this is sooooo simple and basic it's genius.

Painting with light - use a paintbrush literally painting light.

This is where I envy those ribbon hugging photographers - learning the technical stuff can be done in time by everyone that has the effort to read & learn, but you can't learn to think creatively - at least not very easily.

In fact some of the winning shots fall short of technical excellence, but the idea is so strong that it becomes quite irrelevant.

E301 from the critique club summed it up yesterday on one of my images by stating: "There's always something to be said for entering a competent photo in a challenge - and it seems to me one can always guarantee a score of a low 6"

This, I have learnt, is so true. But you will never win with a technically great shot that falls short on originality and ideas.

Looking through my past 10 challenges for example: 6.3/5.8/6.3/6.9/6.1/5.9/6.4/5.7/6.2/6.6 - all average ok composed ok lighting ok composition, but all lacking in anything 'wow' or original. my most original (and my best score thus far) was the 6.9 in the NG challenge, but is probably the worst technically over the other 10.

So i think winning, and general fantastic photographs are down to idea & originality more than DSLR's and technical ability.

casualguy

Canon EOS-20D