No more borders - DPChallenge Forums

02/05/2004 11:21:34 AM · #1

Why not remove the ability to add a border - I for one hate having to mark down a good image due to what I perceive as an ugly border.

I also find choosing the border pretty hard when submitting my own image ;)

A border can make or break an image in my opinion..

Just a thought.

Message edited by author 2004-02-05 11:22:13.

02/05/2004 11:26:38 AM · #2

I usually make an effort to totally ignore borders since I, like you, despise them all....but in the latest challenge there was one so horrendous, so blatantly obnoxious, that I had to score it down lest I lose sleep and/or moral fibre.

StevePax

Canon PowerShot S50

02/05/2004 11:35:22 AM · #3

Originally posted by jonpink:

A border can make or break an image in my opinion..

A very good reason to leave the border option the way it is...

Alecia

Canon EOS-10D

02/05/2004 11:38:08 AM · #4

i used to like borders--but have gotten away from liking them for some reason. i would never mark down an image because of one 'cause i just look at the image itself and ignore the border, but sometimes it is hard 'cause some of them do detract, for sure.

i especially have gotten away from the ones that use colors--but i do have to say that one of the best ones i've seen lately is gordon's fantasia --that border really compliments the photo to a t.

02/05/2004 11:44:43 AM · #5

Originally posted by Alecia:

I can see how people would like it, but I think the photo is just striking on its own, I wouldn't put a print like this up in my house with that border, I would crop it before I framed it. Reminds me too much of the 80's..then again, mullets are coming back so anything is possible ;-)

02/05/2004 11:49:42 AM · #6

See to me, Gordon's isn't ideal.. But I also dislike mullets ;)

I like to see either white or black borders - simple as that. It's quite popular doing the 'lets match the main color into a think border' but I think it's slightly distracting in some cases.

This is bad border to me, which is stronger than the actual image:

- and would be marked lower for the fact.

This is nice and doesn't take my eyes away from the actual photograph:

Edit - trying to find a plain / non existant border wasn't as easy as i thought, many people doing the line within the photograph thing..

Message edited by author 2004-02-05 11:52:08.

Alecia

Canon EOS-10D

02/05/2004 11:54:42 AM · #7

well of course not. on the other hand--seeing how people choose to represent their artwork can be beneficial in helping you see things differently. for example, if that print were on my wall, i prolly would have just double matted it with white and black, cause thats what i always do. but because of his border, i can see now, that it would look cool with maybe black matting with a thinner one of that bluish color. you never know :)

anyway--speaking of mullets-i am appalled at the resurgence of those horrible trends--the leg warmers, the crinkle boots, the crimped hair, the blue eyeshadow--must my past come back to haunt me? :)

robsmith

Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX Aspherical DG for Canon

02/05/2004 11:57:08 AM · #8

Can we also remove the ability to submit photos of cats, children, partially desaturated images, photos with small DOF, photos with large DOF, black and white photos...

//www.mulletjunky.com/femullets.htm

02/05/2004 12:00:00 PM · #9

Gordon

RIM BlackBerry Curve

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

02/05/2004 12:03:45 PM · #10

I dont put the pictures on my wall with the rendered borders.

But I also don't just put prints straight on my wall - I mat them (which adds a thin border line from the cross cut and a thicker mat around it.

I think I wouldn't sell (or give them away) to someone who would put them on a wall without matting and framing it properly...

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR DG IF-ED

02/05/2004 12:04:56 PM · #11

Originally posted by jonpink:

//www.mulletjunky.com/femullets.htm

sigh, to each their own...will the madness never end!!!???!!!!!

Pedro

Nikon D200

02/05/2004 12:09:20 PM · #12

well jon, clearly not everyone agrees with you, since banmorn's picture with a 'Bad' border placed 9th. Would it have been higher without the border? maybe...

Either way, it's still not so repulsive, and managed to score more than a mittfull of tens.

just sayin'.

edit: oh yeah...thanks for the link...I just ordered my Mullet Wig Imma look AWESOME.

Message edited by author 2004-02-05 12:17:36.

geewhy

Canon EOS-1D Mark III

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM

02/05/2004 12:23:58 PM · #13

I`ve been in the habit of adding plain white borders to my images..maybe that`s dropping my scores.
What`s the verdict on this one ?

robsmith

Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX Aspherical DG for Canon

02/05/2004 12:25:29 PM · #14

Originally posted by Pedro:

Wow Pedro, when did you do the modelling work?

Pedro

Nikon D200

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR DG IF-ED

02/05/2004 12:38:37 PM · #15

Originally posted by robsmith:

Wow Pedro, when did you do the modelling work?

right after i got my mullet wig and new Risky Business Raybans :)

oh how i long for the days when i'm too old to remember the 80s.

02/05/2004 12:49:22 PM · #16

Originally posted by Pedro:

well jon, clearly not everyone agrees with you, since banmorn's picture with a 'Bad' border placed 9th. Would it have been higher without the border? maybe...

That's becasue it is a superb picture. Not sure it really affects voting overall, as the split between people who like that kind of border and the people who don't is pretty even.

leaf

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

02/05/2004 01:06:42 PM · #17

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

I can see how people would like it, but I think the photo is just striking on its own, I wouldn't put a print like this up in my house with that border, I would crop it before I framed it.

i think that is the point. Since we CANT add a real frame to these pictures, we need a border to 'finish' them. .. without the frame it looks a bit lost.. like hanging a image on the wall without a frame and without a border on the picture.

02/05/2004 01:07:16 PM · #18

Originally posted by jonpink:

Originally posted by Pedro:
well jon, clearly not everyone agrees with you, since banmorn's picture with a 'Bad' border placed 9th. Would it have been higher without the border? maybe...

That's becasue it is a superb picture. Not sure it really affects voting overall, as the split between people who like that kind of border and the people who don't is pretty even.

And just about everyone agrees that they don't consider the border when voting - it doesn't effect it either in a positive or negative way. Except for the one I mentioned earlier which still haunts me when I close my eyes.

TooCool

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

02/05/2004 01:08:46 PM · #19

Hmmm I've been in THIS conversation before... My two cents worth. A good border is one you don't even notice is there. I can't stand the borders that cover more surface area or have more textural detail than the shot it surrounds...

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

02/05/2004 01:13:00 PM · #20

Originally posted by TooCool:

Did I mention it was flourescent? My eyes! My eyes! Hey..where'd you all go? No mom, I don't want to go to school today! .... you get the drift.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

02/05/2004 01:18:38 PM · #21

Once upon a time, borders were not allowed. Sometimes in cropping a picture, a small border may be left, which caused that picture to be dq'ed. The border rule was added to eliminate that.

The border can help or hinder, I agree, so choose carefully.

labuds

Nikon D800

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

02/05/2004 01:24:02 PM · #22

Choosing a border is as much of an art as taking a picture. Well, maybe not to that extent, but you know what I mean.
Some pictures I have taken absolutely need a border; without them there's obviously something missing...

02/05/2004 01:29:30 PM · #23

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

I think there was a thread a while back that actually agreed that this is even too, some mark down like I, and others don't count it towards their vote..

dwoolridge

02/05/2004 01:30:10 PM · #24

Clever application of CSS and overlays with custom border colours would allow a limited variety of border styles. This would allow voters the ability to never see borders or to selectively turn them off during voting.

Personally, I don't pay much attention to the borders during voting, although the NG challenge had some absolutely hideous yellow borders.

TooCool