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10/22/2009 06:25:11 PM · #26 |
How much space does it need?
Wouldn't it make my XP machine grind to a halt?
Funny.....I have XP Home, my wife has Vista Home Premium, and her machine constantly locks up in a start/fail mode.
I have had *Zero* issues with my XP machine.
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10/22/2009 06:55:05 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I have had *Zero* issues with my XP machine. |
My XP machine has given me nothing but misery almost from the start.
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10/22/2009 08:33:28 PM · #28 |
| I had a copy of Windows 1.0 floating around for awhile until I finally threw it out a year or so ago. It was probably worth millions. :/ |
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10/22/2009 08:44:04 PM · #29 |
| I plan to upgrade to Windows 7 as soon as Service Pack 2 is released ;-) |
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10/22/2009 09:20:15 PM · #30 |
| I plan to referb my 4 Year old computer and live happily and problem free with XP Media for another 4 years.. |
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10/22/2009 09:35:04 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
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I think I still have this software in a box around here somewhere. :-) |
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10/22/2009 09:44:24 PM · #32 |
I'm running Windows 7 Ultimate! It's great, especially the changes to Explorer (nice preview feature, even better than the Mac's because you can show it in a window pane and thus you have a lovely three pane browser (when I was using the Mac I missed having a real folder tree).
There were enhancements to Media Center too, but one thing I'm not happy about is that Netflix is no longer supported. Also, when when you are watching a recorded show (I have a built-in tuner, works great as a DVR), it used to be easy to go back to the menu to delete it. Now it seems it takes you back to a higher level menu, and thus you may not actually have the show you were watching selected when you select Delete. Or at least I haven't figured out the changs quite yet.
Seems speedy enough, but Vista was pretty speedy IMO. There was one area where Vista was slow, and that was sometimes Explorer would take too long parsing a folder to generate thumbnails...you'd see the progress bar in the URL line and it would creep. It still does that sometimes, but it doesn't creep, it's actually pretty fast.
I'm mixed on the changes to the task bar. The first thing I did was look up how to restore the quick links area. Glad that was recoverable. The Mac dock works well if you don't use a lot of different programs like I do--pinning them to the dock and now to the Windows taskbar fills it up fast. I do like the way Windows shows you the individual windows when you hover--and that you can close windows right from that list. It's also cool how when you have a running program that has a progress bar, it shows in the taskbar button.
Overall, nice job Microsoft...though again, I thought Vista was fine!
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10/22/2009 10:26:58 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
I should have known it was a bad idea to run over to Fry's at lunch today. Came out with the 3 license pack of Windows 7. This will cover my main desktop system and two netbooks at $50 per system. At only $30 more than a single copy, it kinda made sense to get the multi-pak.
Anyone else take the first day plunge? |
My new laptop for work arrives on Monday, so I'll get my first taste of it then ... I recently went MAC for personal stuff, and don't regret it ... I hope the new Windows 7 doesn't give me too many headaches trying to do my job! |
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10/22/2009 10:28:53 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Ours copies were delivered today. I guess I'll be installing in my office computer tonight. Since I switched to Mac for my personal stuff last year, I'm not as interested in Windows 7 as I might have been. And anyway, I installed the RC when it came out and, well, frankly, I yawned. I read articles from die-hard Mac authors suggesting that Win 7 was an OS X killer. I think it's going to take a lot more than snapping windows and fewer nag screens to do that. No idea what it's like under the hood, though, since I stopped using the RC once I saw what it was all about. We'll see. |
((( HUG ))) It's REALLY nice to see you around here again ... |
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10/22/2009 10:49:03 PM · #35 |
Ive been using windows7 ultimate 64 for production work for a few months now and been seriously abusing it with cpu and memory intensive applications on my desktop and laptop and have to say that its been AWESOME on both machines as well as games and movies, here is a small sample of the main software Im running on a day to day basis;
(and yes its all licensed, no warez)
3dsmax 2010
V-Ray Render engine
Sony Vegas Pro 9 suite
Sony Acid Pro
Adobe web suite premium
Adobe Lightroom
Canon DPP
Guildwars
Left4Dead
Open Office
Firefox
So far this is my favorite OS M$ has made, XP Pro 32 is a close second, didnt like vista much 32 or 64 bit ones, XP Pro 64 sucks...
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10/22/2009 10:57:06 PM · #36 |
i've been using Win7 RC for about 3 months so far.
My comp is still my 6 year old tablet PC.
It's stunning to see how slick this old beast runs under 7.
I'd NEVER consider using vista for it. In fact, i dislike Vista so much, I'd never use it even on a faster machine.
I have a 1.6ghz centrino and 2gb of RAM. It boots up in 26 seconds. With XP stripped as light as possible, it was 47 seconds at best.
everything else is just generally cleaner and faster. I've read some benchmark stuff that shows XP as beating out Win7, but the difference was negligible IMHO for the few things that got beat.
So I can vouch that it actually does a very decent job of just about everything on an older machine.
I'm on my 4th HD upgrade and currently running a 320gb, where my original HD was a "40gb". the RC is Ultimate, so it is going to be as big as it gets for HD footprint.
But where I might have been concerned about going beyond 2-4gb for the OS (not really) on XP when I got it, I am not at all concerned about that now.
I believe the Ultimate install was around 9gb. Maybe more? I don't even remember. With a moderately clean install (no games, just some basic codec packs, Adobe Suite (PS, AI and Acrobat), Vegas Pro, MS Office 2007 suite. I have 26.5 of 40GB free on my C partition.
Even using RC, the only things I came up with that were a problem were a couple of older component drivers. One of which was my fax modem. I can live without that since I have not even used it once. There was one other thing - I think it was sound driver - that gave me headaches, but I'm sure they will have taken care of that in full release.
And this was a straight install on a Tablet. Without the use of my system disks (at 6 yrs old, they no longer function, which was why I went with 7 in the first place).
Win7 is the first MS product I've ever felt really confident about. I was happy with XP, but Win7 actually got me excited.
Whee!
Message edited by author 2009-10-22 23:03:06. |
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10/22/2009 11:51:07 PM · #37 |
I threw down on my blog why I'm bitter with microsoft... If you're bored... and I mean, real bored...LOL... give it a read...
//sirashley30.blogspot.com/
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10/23/2009 12:12:25 AM · #38 |
| Installed it on the new netbook, a 1.6 Ghz Acer Aspire. Seems to run snappy enough. |
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10/23/2009 12:48:48 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by pamelasue:
Originally posted by Louis:
Ours copies were delivered today. I guess I'll be installing in my office computer tonight. Since I switched to Mac for my personal stuff last year, I'm not as interested in Windows 7 as I might have been. And anyway, I installed the RC when it came out and, well, frankly, I yawned. I read articles from die-hard Mac authors suggesting that Win 7 was an OS X killer. I think it's going to take a lot more than snapping windows and fewer nag screens to do that. No idea what it's like under the hood, though, since I stopped using the RC once I saw what it was all about. We'll see. |
((( HUG ))) It's REALLY nice to see you around here again ... |
Heh, thanks. :)
Well, my installation was a nightmare. Well, a bad dream, anyway. I decided to do a fresh install on new disks. The good news was that Windows 7 recognized the RAID array right away, so no driver pre-install was necessary (it was required for all previous Windows versions, and you were forced to install the drivers from a FLOPPY drive!). The install went well enough, and finished, and the product key entry screen appeared. Key didn't work. Okay, must have mistyped it. Nope, right key. Installer insisted it was a bad product key. No other message, no notion of what's going on, just "That product key is invalid. Please type in a valid key."
Great. Just great. Now what? Google. Okay, it seems many people are having this problem today, and that if you buy the upgrade version of Windows 7, you actually have to do an upgrade from within your previous version. No fresh install by booting from the DVD.
Wonderful. How stupid. Why doesn't it say that anywhere on the packaging, the documentation (such as it is), or during--or BEFORE--the forty minute long install process? I don't know. Neither do they, I guess.
So, now what? Okay, I still have the Vista drive, I'll just plug it back in and boot Vista up, fire up the installer, and install to the new RAID array. Screw you, Windows 7 installer, you can't outsmart me. Fine, start the installer, and... great, the new RAID array has a weird 100 MB partition on it from the previous install attempt. Okay, no problem, I'll just erase the partition. Hum, no go, it says it's in use. By what? Maybe the installer. Force it. Okay, that worked, restart the installer and... wonderful. No more RAID array visible. Reset the partition then. Fine, but the drive letter will be D:. Damn, don't set a drive letter. Probably have to live with D: once the install's all through, and I get rid of the Vista volume. Whatever. Restart the installer. Still no array.
Hoookay, let me just reboot and smoke the array and create a new one. Done. Boot into Vista, start the installer, and will you look at that, it's actually deciding to install, and on a shiny new RAID drive too. Wonderful, thanks so much for all your help. Yeesh.
So now we get to the product key entry screen, let's see if it craps out... enter all the characters, and.... your damn right you worked, you would have been sailing across the room. And look at that, it even switched drive letters, so the old volume (which I'll get rid of anyway) is now D:, and the new Win7 volume is C:. Nice touch. Okay, you're not so bad.
Anyway, what should have taken at most an hour took all night. I got home from swimming at 9:45pm, and it's now 12:47am and only now is it completely done and usuable. Microsoft should not be alienating users with clue. |
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10/23/2009 07:03:44 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by pamelasue:
Originally posted by Louis:
Ours copies were delivered today. I guess I'll be installing in my office computer tonight. Since I switched to Mac for my personal stuff last year, I'm not as interested in Windows 7 as I might have been. And anyway, I installed the RC when it came out and, well, frankly, I yawned. I read articles from die-hard Mac authors suggesting that Win 7 was an OS X killer. I think it's going to take a lot more than snapping windows and fewer nag screens to do that. No idea what it's like under the hood, though, since I stopped using the RC once I saw what it was all about. We'll see. |
((( HUG ))) It's REALLY nice to see you around here again ... |
Heh, thanks. :)
Well, my installation was a nightmare. Well, a bad dream, anyway. I decided to do a fresh install on new disks. The good news was that Windows 7 recognized the RAID array right away, so no driver pre-install was necessary (it was required for all previous Windows versions, and you were forced to install the drivers from a FLOPPY drive!). The install went well enough, and finished, and the product key entry screen appeared. Key didn't work. Okay, must have mistyped it. Nope, right key. Installer insisted it was a bad product key. No other message, no notion of what's going on, just "That product key is invalid. Please type in a valid key."
Great. Just great. Now what? Google. Okay, it seems many people are having this problem today, and that if you buy the upgrade version of Windows 7, you actually have to do an upgrade from within your previous version. No fresh install by booting from the DVD.
Wonderful. How stupid. Why doesn't it say that anywhere on the packaging, the documentation (such as it is), or during--or BEFORE--the forty minute long install process? I don't know. Neither do they, I guess.
So, now what? Okay, I still have the Vista drive, I'll just plug it back in and boot Vista up, fire up the installer, and install to the new RAID array. Screw you, Windows 7 installer, you can't outsmart me. Fine, start the installer, and... great, the new RAID array has a weird 100 MB partition on it from the previous install attempt. Okay, no problem, I'll just erase the partition. Hum, no go, it says it's in use. By what? Maybe the installer. Force it. Okay, that worked, restart the installer and... wonderful. No more RAID array visible. Reset the partition then. Fine, but the drive letter will be D:. Damn, don't set a drive letter. Probably have to live with D: once the install's all through, and I get rid of the Vista volume. Whatever. Restart the installer. Still no array.
Hoookay, let me just reboot and smoke the array and create a new one. Done. Boot into Vista, start the installer, and will you look at that, it's actually deciding to install, and on a shiny new RAID drive too. Wonderful, thanks so much for all your help. Yeesh.
So now we get to the product key entry screen, let's see if it craps out... enter all the characters, and.... your damn right you worked, you would have been sailing across the room. And look at that, it even switched drive letters, so the old volume (which I'll get rid of anyway) is now D:, and the new Win7 volume is C:. Nice touch. Okay, you're not so bad.
Anyway, what should have taken at most an hour took all night. I got home from swimming at 9:45pm, and it's now 12:47am and only now is it completely done and usuable. Microsoft should not be alienating users with clue. |
Did you try the "unofficial" work around?
That is, when it asks for the key, just click continue and it installs with a 30-day trial, then as soon as that's installed, you re-install Win 7 over the top of Win 7 this time entering the software key |
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10/23/2009 07:21:24 AM · #41 |
Even Linus Torvalds like it.
Or maybe it's just because no one copy has been sold...
//picasaweb.google.com/cschlaeger/JapanLinuxSymposium#5395358413061926434
Message edited by author 2009-10-23 07:21:49. |
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10/23/2009 07:28:15 AM · #42 |
I've always been of the opinion that an OS should be as close to invisible as possible. The less I have to do with the OS, the more I can spend time working on the stuff I actually own a computer for.
Win7 beats XP hands down.
I've always found Mac to be somewhat counterintuitive... I haven't used macs a whole lot, but I've been called on to help people fix their macs too and I have spent far more time smashing my head against the desk with macs than I think is reasonable. And I spend a fair bit of time smacking my head against the desk for Windows comps too.
But then again, I'm not as artistic as I like either... must be right brain-left brain stuff... *sigh* |
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10/23/2009 08:16:41 AM · #43 |
I'm having a Win 7 party on Sunday--originally it was supposed to be Saturday night but a few key guests couldn't make it...anyone else here hosting? Did you have your party already? I was a little disappointed by the guest gifts--I would have thought at a minimum they'd give everyone a DVD that could run Windows 7 until all the beta's expire. I think if MS ran the parties rather than the company they are using they would have had better giveaways. I used to beta for MS, and go to their CD-ROM conferences in the early days, and they were always very generous.
Why doesn't Microsoft give away DVDs for Windows 7--you need keys anyway to keep the copy, and you need to activate it as well. Perhaps they are just being environmentally conscious--I did always hate that AOL sent all those CDs out all the time (though that went way beyond this). Though I suspect it has to do with the availability of hacked/stolen keys in cyberspace.
For fun, I may just show Win7 on the Mac, though then I wouldn't be able to show them Media Center and how it works so well as a TV/DVR since my Mac doesn't have a tuner. (I did get Win7 64 bit installed there under boot camp with a patch to the boot loader since the Mac's boot loader is different.)
Funny, I was also going to show the great calendar app and photo gallery in Win7. And I discovered that MS took it out of Windows 7 and made it a separate download. I guess that's not a big deal and everyone was asking them to unbundle. But it's funny that they are gone from my system now, since I had them here before the upgrade (with Vista)!
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10/23/2009 09:00:18 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
And I discovered that MS took it out of Windows 7 and made it a separate download. I guess that's not a big deal and everyone was asking them to unbundle. But it's funny that they are gone from my system now, since I had them here before the upgrade (with Vista)! |
Some of the tech news sites I read suggest the unbundling has been done to quell claims of anti-competititve practices. |
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10/23/2009 09:46:55 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
I'm having a Win 7 party on Sunday--originally it was supposed to be Saturday night but a few key guests couldn't make it...anyone else here hosting? Did you have your party already? I was a little disappointed by the guest gifts--I would have thought at a minimum they'd give everyone a DVD that could run Windows 7 until all the beta's expire. I think if MS ran the parties rather than the company they are using they would have had better giveaways. I used to beta for MS, and go to their CD-ROM conferences in the early days, and they were always very generous.
Why doesn't Microsoft give away DVDs for Windows 7--you need keys anyway to keep the copy, and you need to activate it as well. Perhaps they are just being environmentally conscious--I did always hate that AOL sent all those CDs out all the time (though that went way beyond this). Though I suspect it has to do with the availability of hacked/stolen keys in cyberspace.
For fun, I may just show Win7 on the Mac, though then I wouldn't be able to show them Media Center and how it works so well as a TV/DVR since my Mac doesn't have a tuner. (I did get Win7 64 bit installed there under boot camp with a patch to the boot loader since the Mac's boot loader is different.)
Funny, I was also going to show the great calendar app and photo gallery in Win7. And I discovered that MS took it out of Windows 7 and made it a separate download. I guess that's not a big deal and everyone was asking them to unbundle. But it's funny that they are gone from my system now, since I had them here before the upgrade (with Vista)! |
You're really hosting a Win7 party? I bet that's going to be wall to wall babes! ;-)
I'll try to make it, but if I'm late you wild guys get started without me, ok? |
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10/23/2009 10:55:48 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Did you try the "unofficial" work around?
That is, when it asks for the key, just click continue and it installs with a 30-day trial, then as soon as that's installed, you re-install Win 7 over the top of Win 7 this time entering the software key |
No, I didn't try that. Good to know for "next time". |
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10/23/2009 11:16:49 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Did you try the "unofficial" work around?
That is, when it asks for the key, just click continue and it installs with a 30-day trial, then as soon as that's installed, you re-install Win 7 over the top of Win 7 this time entering the software key |
No, I didn't try that. Good to know for "next time". |
Evidently it also worked for Vista, when I had the same issues installing Win 7 on my Mac, one of my PC friends suggested trying it. |
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10/23/2009 11:58:31 AM · #48 |
In the unlikely event that anyone installs it in the same convoluted way I did, you won't be done yet. You won't be able to boot the computer when the old Vista drive is removed. Before removing the old drive, start Disk Manager in Win7, make the partition on the Win7 drive active, then boot from the installation DVD. Select "Repair" at the appropriate screen to write the Win7 installation into a boot config file, but there's no boot manager yet, so boot again from the install DVD, select "Repair", and the boot manager is installed.
Nice and intuitive. :/ |
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10/23/2009 01:19:05 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
I'm having a Win 7 party on Sunday--originally it was supposed to be Saturday night but a few key guests couldn't make it...anyone else here hosting? Did you have your party already? I was a little disappointed by the guest gifts--I would have thought at a minimum they'd give everyone a DVD that could run Windows 7 until all the beta's expire. I think if MS ran the parties rather than the company they are using they would have had better giveaways. I used to beta for MS, and go to their CD-ROM conferences in the early days, and they were always very generous.
Why doesn't Microsoft give away DVDs for Windows 7--you need keys anyway to keep the copy, and you need to activate it as well. Perhaps they are just being environmentally conscious--I did always hate that AOL sent all those CDs out all the time (though that went way beyond this). Though I suspect it has to do with the availability of hacked/stolen keys in cyberspace.
For fun, I may just show Win7 on the Mac, though then I wouldn't be able to show them Media Center and how it works so well as a TV/DVR since my Mac doesn't have a tuner. (I did get Win7 64 bit installed there under boot camp with a patch to the boot loader since the Mac's boot loader is different.)
Funny, I was also going to show the great calendar app and photo gallery in Win7. And I discovered that MS took it out of Windows 7 and made it a separate download. I guess that's not a big deal and everyone was asking them to unbundle. But it's funny that they are gone from my system now, since I had them here before the upgrade (with Vista)! |
You're really hosting a Win7 party? I bet that's going to be wall to wall babes! ;-)
I'll try to make it, but if I'm late you wild guys get started without me, ok? |
Absolutely. Microsoft provides lingerie models to every party, just to spice them up.
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10/23/2009 02:00:19 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
I'm having a Win 7 party on Sunday--originally it was supposed to be Saturday night but a few key guests couldn't make it...anyone else here hosting? Did you have your party already? I was a little disappointed by the guest gifts--I would have thought at a minimum they'd give everyone a DVD that could run Windows 7 until all the beta's expire. I think if MS ran the parties rather than the company they are using they would have had better giveaways. I used to beta for MS, and go to their CD-ROM conferences in the early days, and they were always very generous.
Why doesn't Microsoft give away DVDs for Windows 7--you need keys anyway to keep the copy, and you need to activate it as well. Perhaps they are just being environmentally conscious--I did always hate that AOL sent all those CDs out all the time (though that went way beyond this). Though I suspect it has to do with the availability of hacked/stolen keys in cyberspace.
For fun, I may just show Win7 on the Mac, though then I wouldn't be able to show them Media Center and how it works so well as a TV/DVR since my Mac doesn't have a tuner. (I did get Win7 64 bit installed there under boot camp with a patch to the boot loader since the Mac's boot loader is different.)
Funny, I was also going to show the great calendar app and photo gallery in Win7. And I discovered that MS took it out of Windows 7 and made it a separate download. I guess that's not a big deal and everyone was asking them to unbundle. But it's funny that they are gone from my system now, since I had them here before the upgrade (with Vista)! |
You're really hosting a Win7 party? I bet that's going to be wall to wall babes! ;-)
I'll try to make it, but if I'm late you wild guys get started without me, ok? |
Absolutely. Microsoft provides lingerie models to every party, just to spice them up. |
Will it be girl lingerie models this time? ;-) |
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