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08/31/2009 02:29:48 PM · #176 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Heterosexuality is not a choice -- it's the default condition every human is born with. |
Modern science says you are wrong about this. |
Has NEVER been proven in a valid study... Not once...
I will agree that it's like alcoholism, in that some may be born heterosexual, with a weakness toward homosexual desires... the same way some can drink and not be addicted and others cannot.
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08/31/2009 02:30:29 PM · #177 |
Originally posted by merchillio:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Heterosexuality is not a choice -- it's the default condition every human is born with. |
Modern science says you are wrong about this. |
But then again, maybe he's talking about one accepting his own homosexuality, now that may be a choice, but denying your sexual orientation is the best way to live the saddest live of all. How many persons decided to accept their homosexuality well over 40yo and ended up hurting the familly they tried to have. You're ssupposed to get married to be happy with the person you are with, not to run away from yourself. I think a homosexual getting married to a person of the opposite sex because "it's the way it's supposed to be" is a greater insult to mariage than anything else. But then again, those who go to the greatest lenghts to defend "mariage, the way it's supposed to be" often forget that it is supposed to be about love, not about the assortment of genitalia involved. |
Or you get help instead of giving in to poor decisions... |
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08/31/2009 02:49:34 PM · #178 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Heterosexuality is not a choice -- it's the default condition every human is born with. |
Modern science says you are wrong about this. |
Originally posted by Whitehead, writing in "The Importance Of Twin Studies," notes:
Identical twins have identical genes. If homosexuality was a biological condition produced inescapably by the genes (e.g. eye color), then if one identical twin was homosexual, in 100% of the cases his brother would be too. But we know that only about 38% of the time is the identical twin brother homosexual. Genes are responsible for an indirect influence, but on average, they do not force people into homosexuality. This conclusion has been well known in the scientific community for a few decades but has not reached the general public. Indeed, the public increasingly believes the opposite. |
How does modern science prove wrong? Not twin studies, so it must not be genetic. Current theories say it's a mix of nature and nurture. That would make it a choice. |
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08/31/2009 02:50:57 PM · #179 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Heterosexuality is not a choice -- it's the default condition every human is born with. |
Modern science says you are wrong about this. |
Has NEVER been proven in a valid study... Not once...
I will agree that it's like alcoholism, in that some may be born heterosexual, with a weakness toward homosexual desires... the same way some can drink and not be addicted and others cannot. |
Weakness... well Mousie, it seems you are weak beacause you fought through a hell of prejudices to get married legally to the man you love.
But it is true that most heterosexual have homosexual tendencies. The Kinsey Report showed (because "proved" is a tricky word in this thread) that very very VERY few people are 100% heterosexual or 100% homosexual. |
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08/31/2009 02:56:02 PM · #180 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by merchillio:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
A man or woman who has chosen to live out a gay lifestyle is not inherently prevented for getting married to a woman or a man (respectively). However, due to their lifestyle choice, they may not feel comfortable with the requirements for marriage. |
But sexual orientation is NOT a choice
Let me reverse the question: When did you CHOOSE to be heterosexual? I don't mean "notice you were attracted to the opposite sex", I mean really "CHOOSE", weight the pro and cons and then made a decision? never, you are heterosexual because you are, you did not choose your sexual orientation. LIke you never chose to like a certain meal better than another.
I never chose to be attracted to girls... Many years ago, I started to notice that girls smelled good, that they were cute and that I wanted to hold one in my arms. It is not a choice I made, it's who I am. |
Heterosexuality is not a choice -- it's the default condition every human is born with. Just like breathing air. When did you choose to breath oxygen?
Strawman arguments get you nowhere. |
You might want to read Merchillio's answer again... I think you might have missed something.
Ray |
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08/31/2009 02:59:47 PM · #181 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by merchillio:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Heterosexuality is not a choice -- it's the default condition every human is born with. |
Modern science says you are wrong about this. |
But then again, maybe he's talking about one accepting his own homosexuality, now that may be a choice, but denying your sexual orientation is the best way to live the saddest live of all. How many persons decided to accept their homosexuality well over 40yo and ended up hurting the familly they tried to have. You're ssupposed to get married to be happy with the person you are with, not to run away from yourself. I think a homosexual getting married to a person of the opposite sex because "it's the way it's supposed to be" is a greater insult to mariage than anything else. But then again, those who go to the greatest lenghts to defend "mariage, the way it's supposed to be" often forget that it is supposed to be about love, not about the assortment of genitalia involved. |
Or you get help instead of giving in to poor decisions... |
Yes indeed... homosexuality is an option... you can take it or leave it and if you do opt for it... guess what? it's a poor decision.
I never cease to be astounded.
Ray |
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08/31/2009 03:42:32 PM · #182 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by merchillio:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Heterosexuality is not a choice -- it's the default condition every human is born with. |
Modern science says you are wrong about this. |
But then again, maybe he's talking about one accepting his own homosexuality, now that may be a choice, but denying your sexual orientation is the best way to live the saddest live of all. How many persons decided to accept their homosexuality well over 40yo and ended up hurting the familly they tried to have. You're ssupposed to get married to be happy with the person you are with, not to run away from yourself. I think a homosexual getting married to a person of the opposite sex because "it's the way it's supposed to be" is a greater insult to mariage than anything else. But then again, those who go to the greatest lenghts to defend "mariage, the way it's supposed to be" often forget that it is supposed to be about love, not about the assortment of genitalia involved. |
Or you get help instead of giving in to poor decisions... |
Yes indeed... homosexuality is an option... you can take it or leave it and if you do opt for it... guess what? it's a poor decision.
I never cease to be astounded.
Ray |
I stopped being astounded by these responses long ago. They aren't even worth responding to, it's just so far off the charts. |
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09/01/2009 11:15:51 AM · #183 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Heterosexuality is not a choice -- it's the default condition every human is born with. |
Modern science says you are wrong about this. |
Has NEVER been proven in a valid study... Not once...
I will agree that it's like alcoholism, in that some may be born heterosexual, with a weakness toward homosexual desires... the same way some can drink and not be addicted and others cannot. |
If you find that you have a weakness for homosexual relations and few or no desires for heterosexual relations, then you are probably bisexual or gay. That is pretty much the definition of being gay. There is no choice about it - the choice is only whether to act on your desires or repress them.
It is a fairly reasonable supposition that a gay man will have the same difficulty in repressing his desires as you would if you sought to repress your (presumably) heterosexual desires.
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09/01/2009 11:33:15 AM · #184 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Or you get help instead of giving in to poor decisions... |
Yes indeed... homosexuality is an option... you can take it or leave it and if you do opt for it... guess what? it's a poor decision.
I never cease to be astounded.
Ray |
I stopped being astounded by these responses long ago. They aren't even worth responding to, it's just so far off the charts. |
Yeah, what if someone read that stuff and, like, took it personally? *rolls eyes*
I can assure you my homosexuality is not a choice. I should know. My gay friends should know. But nobody listens to us.
Why? It's easier to think I'm a liar, or that I'm misguided, than it is to question one's own prejudices. Why trust one of those corrupted homos that the church is always warning everyone about? Anyone who'd do gay stuff is obviously untrustworthy, and the least able to evaluate their own life. That job, of course, belongs in the hands of someone like Hawkeye.
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09/01/2009 11:33:54 AM · #185 |
Originally posted by Matthew:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Heterosexuality is not a choice -- it's the default condition every human is born with. |
Modern science says you are wrong about this. |
Has NEVER been proven in a valid study... Not once...
I will agree that it's like alcoholism, in that some may be born heterosexual, with a weakness toward homosexual desires... the same way some can drink and not be addicted and others cannot. |
If you find that you have a weakness for homosexual relations and few or no desires for heterosexual relations, then you are probably bisexual or gay. That is pretty much the definition of being gay. There is no choice about it - the choice is only whether to act on your desires or repress them.
It is a fairly reasonable supposition that a gay man will have the same difficulty in repressing his desires as you would if you sought to repress your (presumably) heterosexual desires. |
exactly, and we all know how healthy it is to repress things.... |
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