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 08/25/2009 12:23:49 PM · #1
How about a new challenge category called ALL Inclusive. The idea behind it is that everyone that enters the challenge must vote and comment on every photo that participates. The idea is derived from many people in forums wanting more critiques. Well, if everyone that enters this challenge understands that entry means that they must vote and critique every photo as well.

Am I on to something? What are your thoughts?

Not sure how to manage it but perhaps if an entrant does not vote and comment on each they are disqualified or not allowed to enter any All Inclusive challenges for a month.

08/25/2009 12:32:31 PM · #2
For this idea to have any meaning at all, there'd have to be a "quality requirement" in place for the comments, and I don't think we'd want to go there. Can you imagine relying on SC to DQ "Submission X" because the quality of X's comments wasn't up to par? What a can of worms...

R.
 08/25/2009 12:33:28 PM · #3
Can of worms? Sounds more like a hornet's nest.
 08/25/2009 12:38:20 PM · #4
I'm not sure I agree with the quality requirement. Even if 10%, 20%, 30% of the comments help you with your entry I'd say we would have a winner. Let's say that 100 people enter. I'll take 10, 20, 30 good critiques and filter through the others.
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
For this idea to have any meaning at all, there'd have to be a "quality requirement" in place for the comments, and I don't think we'd want to go there. Can you imagine relying on SC to DQ "Submission X" because the quality of X's comments wasn't up to par? What a can of worms...

R.
08/25/2009 01:13:36 PM · #5
Search the forums. The number of comments, mandatory comments, etc., etc., has been discussed at length many times. It has never received a majority and the reasons against it are many and as Robert's comment is, quite sound.

For a while there was a pop-up box that appeared if you gave an image a low vote which reminded you to leave a comment. As you can see, not even that is around anymore.

There is a difference between a 'critique' and a 'comment.' Especially here where there is the 'Critique Club.' When you enter a challenge you do have the option to request an in-depth critique from the Critique Club - just check the box and your image goes into the mix. But forcing everyone - even if for just one challenge - to comment on every image will not produce results you are hoping for IMO.

08/25/2009 02:15:57 PM · #6
If I had to commit to voting and commenting on every entry, well, I probably wouldn't enter because I never know from one week to the next how much time I'll have available (or energy, either for that matter) to spend.
 08/25/2009 02:32:34 PM · #7
That's probably true. I wonder how many people would enter. Most likely a small challenge. Perhaps 50 entries or so?

Originally posted by karmat:
If I had to commit to voting and commenting on every entry, well, I probably wouldn't enter because I never know from one week to the next how much time I'll have available (or energy, either for that matter) to spend.
08/25/2009 02:40:52 PM · #8
I think Carlo is kinda on to something. If you don't think you have the ability to comment on every entry, then you won't enter. Those that DO enter, though, will learn a thing or two about really evaluating a photograph and trying to provide some sort of meaningful feedback. And yes, I do think the challenge would be rather small - one would only expect this type of thing as an "extra" challenge rather than one of the regular challenges. And though it would be nice to require/demand quality, that's not possible nor enforceable, so as Carlo points you, you may ignore the 50 "nice shot" comments and concentrate on the 20 or so that might tell you something useful! I think it's worth a shot.
 08/25/2009 02:47:05 PM · #9
Originally posted by CEJ:
Search the forums. The number of comments, mandatory comments, etc., etc., has been discussed at length many times. It has never received a majority and the reasons against it are many and as Robert's comment is, quite sound.

For a while there was a pop-up box that appeared if you gave an image a low vote which reminded you to leave a comment. As you can see, not even that is around anymore.

There is a difference between a 'critique' and a 'comment.' Especially here where there is the 'Critique Club.' When you enter a challenge you do have the option to request an in-depth critique from the Critique Club - just check the box and your image goes into the mix. But forcing everyone - even if for just one challenge - to comment on every image will not produce results you are hoping for IMO.


I think you're confusing this suggestion with the previous suggestions that this should ALWAYS be applied to every challenge. This is a suggestion for a stand alone group of challenges that people can choose to enter or not, and would be criteria that is applicable to ONLY those challenges, no others.

I think it's a fine idea for an experiment. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, then it doesn't get done anymore, and as a side thing, it won't affect the regular challenges.

ETA: I do agree, however, that there can't be any enforcement of a "quality comment/critique" thing, but as was pointed out, there doesn't need to be. If you enter such a thing, you do so knowing that you may possibly get 100 comments of "nice shot". heh.

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 08/25/2009 02:50:21 PM · #10
It might be an interesting experiment as a special challenge.
 08/25/2009 02:54:25 PM · #11
I agree. I bet we would have 50 or so people willing to comment and vote on all entries. I would enter.
Originally posted by BeeCee:
It might be an interesting experiment as a special challenge.


Message edited by author 2009-08-25 15:04:24.
 08/25/2009 03:24:24 PM · #12
The concept is a good one, it might be more realistic though for everyone to vote on all the entries or half and comment on at least 10. It might yield low photo turnouts and might just end up being a lot of work for the site council, but I think something of this nature might be worth giving a shot.
 08/25/2009 03:28:42 PM · #13
Me too.
Originally posted by Melethia:
I think it's worth a shot.
08/25/2009 03:29:40 PM · #14
Thanks for the clarifying for me.

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

I think you're confusing this suggestion with the previous suggestions that this should ALWAYS be applied to every challenge. This is a suggestion for a stand alone group of challenges that people can choose to enter or not, and would be criteria that is applicable to ONLY those challenges, no others.
08/25/2009 03:49:57 PM · #15
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

I think you're confusing this suggestion with the previous suggestions that this should ALWAYS be applied to every challenge.


Just curious, do you seek out my posts just to tell me I am wrong? Is this retaliation for not liking your comments? I do not nor did I think he meant every challenge - and this specific type has been suggested before - and I am not confused. I simply stated he could search out the forums to see the opinions on this topic which have been expressed numerous times.
 08/25/2009 03:52:04 PM · #16
Originally posted by CEJ:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

I think you're confusing this suggestion with the previous suggestions that this should ALWAYS be applied to every challenge.


Just curious, do you seek out my posts just to tell me I am wrong? Is this retaliation for not liking your comments? I do not nor did I think he meant every challenge - and this specific type has been suggested before - and I am not confused. I simply stated he could search out the forums to see the opinions on this topic which have been expressed numerous times.


Uh, what?

ETA: This 'topic' hasn't been expressed numerous times. This is a suggestion for a unique set of challenges with specific guidelines. An experiment that would be completely separate from the usual run of DPC. Anything, in my memory, that has been discussed before about commenting and voting has always, ALWAYS been about doing it as a whole on DPC. What prompted me to respond to you was your use of the example of the pop-up suggestion box, which suggested, to me, that you considered this about the whole of DPC, as that was how that was used. It wasn't 'specialized challenge' specific.

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