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08/13/2009 10:11:39 PM · #1 |
Not much else to say, just glad it wasn't my team...
oh yeah, upon edit... ESPN is reporting it. Its on the main page
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08/13/2009 10:22:59 PM · #2 |
It is MY team.
 or maybe a new logo of a dog. :(
My McNabb xoxox gettin' old I guess but I sure wish they'd picked someone else. |
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08/13/2009 10:25:53 PM · #3 |
I'm gonna risk getting flamed here, but let me offer my two cents.
A sport is a job, after all. Sure, people look up to professional athletes like role models, but it's not part of their job description. It's up to the team to decide whether to hire a convicted felon, just as it's up to the employer to decide whether to hire a convicted felon. Sure, make a big deal that a franchise with a decent reputation decided to hire him, but don't make a big deal out of the fact that a convicted felon is now playing professional sports. So go yell at the Eagles if you want, but don't get all pissed about a felon (who carried out his sentence) being in pro sports again. Forget all that talk about professional athletes having to be role models. They're no better at what they do than, let's say, a successful news anchor is at reporting the news. But unlike news anchors, their position doesn't intrinsically require trust. It's you (and society) that made your kids look up to pro football players, because the position itself does not carry any responsibility other than playing well.
Edit: spelling
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08/13/2009 10:27:58 PM · #4 |
| I was pretty surprised that the Eagles took Vick. I figured somebody would pick him and I could feel good that I didn't have to worry about the moral baggage that he brings with him. |
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08/13/2009 10:40:37 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by george917:
I'm gonna risk getting flamed here, but let me offer my two cents.
A sport is a job, after all. Sure, people look up to professional athletes like role models, but it's not part of their job description. It's up to the team to decide whether to hire a convicted felon, just as it's up to the employer to decide whether to hire a convicted felon. Sure, make a big deal that a franchise with a decent reputation decided to hire him, but don't make a big deal out of the fact that a convicted felon is now playing professional sports. So go yell at the Eagles if you want, but don't get all pissed about a felon (who carried out his sentence) being in pro sports again. Forget all that talk about professional athletes having to be role models. They're no better at what they do than, let's say, a successful news anchor is at reporting the news. But unlike news anchors, their position doesn't intrinsically require trust. It's you (and society) that made your kids look up to pro football players, because the position itself does not carry any responsibility other than playing well.
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I completely agree... In my original post, I said that "I'm just glad it wasn't my team that signed him..." What I meant was that I'm glad its not my team that's going to get all the negative press that's going to come along with him... I think in all fairness, he did his time, and did it like a man. That being said, there is no reason why he shouldn't be able to play football. If he had been involved in cock-fighting, it would've been a two week sentence, and he never would have been out of football.
Message edited by author 2009-08-13 22:41:35. |
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08/14/2009 12:34:39 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by george917:
I'm gonna risk getting flamed here, but let me offer my two cents.
A sport is a job, after all. Sure, people look up to professional athletes like role models, but it's not part of their job description. It's up to the team to decide whether to hire a convicted felon, just as it's up to the employer to decide whether to hire a convicted felon. Sure, make a big deal that a franchise with a decent reputation decided to hire him, but don't make a big deal out of the fact that a convicted felon is now playing professional sports. So go yell at the Eagles if you want, but don't get all pissed about a felon (who carried out his sentence) being in pro sports again. Forget all that talk about professional athletes having to be role models. They're no better at what they do than, let's say, a successful news anchor is at reporting the news. But unlike news anchors, their position doesn't intrinsically require trust. It's you (and society) that made your kids look up to pro football players, because the position itself does not carry any responsibility other than playing well.
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I disagree with you, but only mildly (if that is even possible). Sports athletes demand very large salaries for what they do, and Vick was amongst the tops in salaries before his prison term. The money they make is not just to win games, its to put fans in the seats. Players are marketed as celebrity athletes, and huge marketing is put into turning players into role models. I think it is the principal part of their job description, because this is where most of the money is made for the teams, not in just winning. It is why jerseys are sold with the players name on the back, it is why trading cards sell, why posters are made... etc.
Before Vick was implicated in his crimes, I think a lot of people treated him as a role model for his abilities on the field, and the manufactured image that the team, his PR reps, and the league created for him. It is near impossible to know which athlete might commit a crime, so what is a person to do, not look up to any sports athlete? If nobody looked up to athletes, nobody would pay hundreds of dollars to watch the games.
Now, that being said, I also believe that a person must be allowed to atone for their actions. If you listened to PETA, Vick should have been given the death penalty for his crimes (maybe an exaggeration... i didnt want to look for an exact quote, but you get the picture). I think that everyone needs to give the guy an opportunity to rebuild his image, show that he can change and be different, and start living up to the image created for him before this all happened. I am glad he signed somewhere, because it would be nice to see him turn things around, and let some good come out of what happened. |
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08/14/2009 12:49:27 AM · #7 |
| Well, I'm glad the Steelers didn't pick him up. I was surprised to hear they were even considering him, since they really tend to stay away from controversial players. |
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08/14/2009 12:49:31 AM · #8 |
| I am not a MV Fan, Wasnt one before the Dog Fighting business either, But gotta say the Eagles have a good tandom of running QBs now. Too bad one is a Jackass. lol |
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08/14/2009 07:25:13 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Well, I'm glad the Steelers didn't pick him up. I was surprised to hear they were even considering him, since they really tend to stay away from controversial players. |
ditto, Alan.....I said 'at least I don't have to worry about the Steelers thinking about him'....then I said 'WHAT?? they are thinking of him'!!
4 weeks til I get to Pittsburgh.....yeah, baby! Opening night should be awesome!...any word on your press pass? |
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08/14/2009 07:55:33 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by VitaminB:
Originally posted by george917:
I'm gonna risk getting flamed here, but let me offer my two cents.
A sport is a job, after all. Sure, people look up to professional athletes like role models, but it's not part of their job description. It's up to the team to decide whether to hire a convicted felon, just as it's up to the employer to decide whether to hire a convicted felon. Sure, make a big deal that a franchise with a decent reputation decided to hire him, but don't make a big deal out of the fact that a convicted felon is now playing professional sports. So go yell at the Eagles if you want, but don't get all pissed about a felon (who carried out his sentence) being in pro sports again. Forget all that talk about professional athletes having to be role models. They're no better at what they do than, let's say, a successful news anchor is at reporting the news. But unlike news anchors, their position doesn't intrinsically require trust. It's you (and society) that made your kids look up to pro football players, because the position itself does not carry any responsibility other than playing well.
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I disagree with you, but only mildly (if that is even possible). Sports athletes demand very large salaries for what they do, and Vick was amongst the tops in salaries before his prison term. The money they make is not just to win games, its to put fans in the seats. Players are marketed as celebrity athletes, and huge marketing is put into turning players into role models. I think it is the principal part of their job description, because this is where most of the money is made for the teams, not in just winning. It is why jerseys are sold with the players name on the back, it is why trading cards sell, why posters are made... etc.
Before Vick was implicated in his crimes, I think a lot of people treated him as a role model for his abilities on the field, and the manufactured image that the team, his PR reps, and the league created for him. It is near impossible to know which athlete might commit a crime, so what is a person to do, not look up to any sports athlete? If nobody looked up to athletes, nobody would pay hundreds of dollars to watch the games.
Now, that being said, I also believe that a person must be allowed to atone for their actions. If you listened to PETA, Vick should have been given the death penalty for his crimes (maybe an exaggeration... i didnt want to look for an exact quote, but you get the picture). I think that everyone needs to give the guy an opportunity to rebuild his image, show that he can change and be different, and start living up to the image created for him before this all happened. I am glad he signed somewhere, because it would be nice to see him turn things around, and let some good come out of what happened. |
First off, if you are continuing to let athletes be role models then our society is in deep trouble. After all these years with all these athletes proving that they are anything but role models, you still looked up to Vick. This isn't the first time he got in trouble...remember the incident when he tried to go through the airport with his weed in the bottom of a water bottle? He also isn't the first nor the last football player to get in trouble...burress, Matt Jones, Roethlisberger, Stallworth...or we can take it back further...The entire Vikings team with the prostitute boat...or Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin with their indescretions and coke. This is something that goes back for years. It's funny though how you involve PETA and Vick looks like the worse of the group. Stallworth Killed a man! Drunk Driving Killed a man. Roethlisberger is being accused of rape. Burress carried a gun into a crowded club while wearing sweatpants. Matt Jones was found with a boatload of coke! Yet Vick got the most jail time and the most negative press. They are making Stallworth almost look like he is the victim now.
Athletes shouldn't be considered role models (i was an athlete). Now back to Vick putting people in seats. You don't think the Eagles stadium is going to be packed now to see if Vick will get to play? Even the people who hate Vick will be going to the games just to boo him. He is probably going to put more people in the seats. So he is doing his job. |
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08/14/2009 08:29:12 AM · #11 |
| I feel cleveland would have been a good fit but then again they wouldnt be able to let the DAWGS out!!!!! |
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08/14/2009 08:36:34 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by VitaminB:
... Sports athletes demand very large salaries for what they do, and Vick was amongst the tops in salaries before his prison term. The money they make is not just to win games, its to put fans in the seats. Players are marketed as celebrity athletes, and huge marketing is put into turning players into role models. I think it is the principal part of their job description, because this is where most of the money is made for the teams, not in just winning. It is why jerseys are sold with the players name on the back, it is why trading cards sell, why posters are made... etc. ... |
What you're saying has nothing to do with the athlete and everything to do with the sports team, the owner(s), and running a business. If the team decides to take a chance on MV, then they're certainly taking a calculated risk and hoping to profit from it. The only "role model" piece of this is from a marketing standpoint (again team owners, the NFL, and sports vendors (i.e. Nike, Gatorade, etc...)).
My personal opinion is that MV did some stupid stuff and has paid the price for it. If he has learned from his mistakes, then a second chance is certainly merited. It's up to him to succeed or fail with this second chance. |
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08/14/2009 08:43:14 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by VitaminB:
... Sports athletes demand very large salaries for what they do, and Vick was amongst the tops in salaries before his prison term. The money they make is not just to win games, its to put fans in the seats. Players are marketed as celebrity athletes, and huge marketing is put into turning players into role models. I think it is the principal part of their job description, because this is where most of the money is made for the teams, not in just winning. It is why jerseys are sold with the players name on the back, it is why trading cards sell, why posters are made... etc. ... |
What you're saying has nothing to do with the athlete and everything to do with the sports team, the owner(s), and running a business. If the team decides to take a chance on MV, then they're certainly taking a calculated risk and hoping to profit from it. The only "role model" piece of this is from a marketing standpoint (again team owners, the NFL, and sports vendors (i.e. Nike, Gatorade, etc...)).
My personal opinion is that MV did some stupid stuff and has paid the price for it. If he has learned from his mistakes, then a second chance is certainly merited. It's up to him to succeed or fail with this second chance. |
Its a pity the dogs never had a second chance either i guess thats the hypotric of it all he goes on to make millions again hmmm maybe he can donate it to some dog shelter |
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08/14/2009 08:48:27 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by toddster45:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by VitaminB:
... Sports athletes demand very large salaries for what they do, and Vick was amongst the tops in salaries before his prison term. The money they make is not just to win games, its to put fans in the seats. Players are marketed as celebrity athletes, and huge marketing is put into turning players into role models. I think it is the principal part of their job description, because this is where most of the money is made for the teams, not in just winning. It is why jerseys are sold with the players name on the back, it is why trading cards sell, why posters are made... etc. ... |
What you're saying has nothing to do with the athlete and everything to do with the sports team, the owner(s), and running a business. If the team decides to take a chance on MV, then they're certainly taking a calculated risk and hoping to profit from it. The only "role model" piece of this is from a marketing standpoint (again team owners, the NFL, and sports vendors (i.e. Nike, Gatorade, etc...)).
My personal opinion is that MV did some stupid stuff and has paid the price for it. If he has learned from his mistakes, then a second chance is certainly merited. It's up to him to succeed or fail with this second chance. |
Its a pity the dogs never had a second chance either i guess thats the hypotric of it all he goes on to make millions again hmmm maybe he can donate it to some dog shelter |
Well, perhaps they should have just tossed him under the jail and thrown away the key, eh? |
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08/14/2009 08:54:56 AM · #15 |
Charles Barkley said it best, "I'm not a role model... Just because I dunk a basketball doesn't mean I should raise your kids".
However if any of you want to protest and give up your Eagles v. Giants Tickets in either Philly or the Meadowlands, I'm interested.
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08/14/2009 09:03:22 AM · #16 |
Go Philly! We have Pedro Martinez on the Phils, who was plagued with criticism for being photographed at a Cock Fight in the DR (I think), and now Vick!
In all seriousness though, who gives a shit. People who have a problem with this should pull thier heads out of thier asses and get a reality check.
What if you were convicted of a crime, say manslaughter (much more serious then dogfighting), and serve your time. Now you want to go back to booking photo shoots and getting paid and all that. What if someone told you you shouldn't be able to work and started petitions and protests over it? Youd say thats ridiculous.
Football is a job. Michael Vick is an employee. Hes only as famous as we make him, and only a big a role model as we allow him to be.
Not to mention, the NFL is plagued with ex-cons to begin with...its not the Vienna Boys Choir.
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08/14/2009 10:34:57 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by dassilem:
Opening night should be awesome!...any word on your press pass? |
Got 'em! :) |
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08/14/2009 11:13:41 AM · #18 |
I'm from Philadelphia and am ecstatic about this. He (was) once a phenomenal player, and will add to the team in some capacity for sure.
As far as his past goes, I think he should be given a second chance. He committed some horrific acts but they did not involve harm to other human beings, and I don't think he should have to pay for the rest of his life. He served a real sentence, seems repentant, and why not give him a shot. |
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