DQ for a border? - DPChallenge Forums

08/12/2009 02:13:14 AM · #27

Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by Lutchenko:

Originally posted by C_Steve_G:

Originally posted by Lutchenko:

Ok so applying a white border of any size around a predominantly black image is in your opinion illegal?

When the added apparent background defines your composition, then I would have to agree with the application of the rule.

At what point is it apparent?

When the border becomes part of the photo and is no longer determined as a separate border!

This is subjective though and surely rules by which people are potentially to be DQd need to be objective

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08/12/2009 02:15:57 AM · #28

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by Lutchenko:

Originally posted by MistyMucky:

Originally posted by Lutchenko:

Originally posted by C_Steve_G:

Originally posted by Lutchenko:

Ok so applying a white border of any size around a predominantly black image is in your opinion illegal?

When the added apparent background defines your composition, then I would have to agree with the application of the rule.

At what point is it apparent?

It would be apparent without the white bands between your black squares. The white bands are the canvas, right? If you add a border the same color, you increase canvas size.

Indeed they are original canvas and if you look closely you will see that they are not actually white by comparison to the white border
So are you saying that if a border is the same colour as any part of the image in which it comes into contact then it is added background?

I believe that's how SC sees it.

I would love to get SC confirmation of this

C_Steve_G

Apple iPhone 12

08/12/2009 02:18:30 AM · #29

Originally posted by Lutchenko:

I would love to get SC confirmation of this

Use the contact form under Help>Contact Us to request that confirmation.

Covert_Oddity

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

08/12/2009 02:27:12 AM · #30

To be fair on this one, I believed everything up to the black "outer border" was canvas, and it certainly does appear that was your intention (I'm not saying it was, I'm saying it appears that way).

What strikes me as interesting is, having come up with the idea, you could quite easily have made all the white area canvas thus avoiding the potential DQ on borders.

bspurgeon

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08/12/2009 02:31:43 AM · #31

The only step that looks like a legit border is step 1. Everything else is creating more image area that was not originally present. However, I'm surprised it was called up for validation. I presumed that the inner white area was part of the original photograph, and that the thin black line was the start of the border.

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08/12/2009 02:39:59 AM · #32

why don't you just post the UNCROPPED original?

08/12/2009 02:54:33 AM · #33

Originally posted by eyewave:

why don't you just post the UNCROPPED original?

Here we are

08/12/2009 03:28:36 AM · #34

My opinion...

Originally posted by Lutchenko:

Here we are

Above: legal

Initially Cropped:

...Legal

Add an inside border:

...Legal

Add Canvas area:

...ILLEGAL

08/12/2009 03:33:58 AM · #35

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

My opinion...

Originally posted by Lutchenko:
Here we are

Above: legal

Initially Cropped:

...Legal

Add an inside border:

...Legal

Add Canvas area:

...ILLEGAL

The question is at what point does the legal border become illegal, ie I can make it larger pixel by pixel but at what point does it stop being a border?

08/12/2009 03:35:05 AM · #36

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

My opinion...

Originally posted by Lutchenko:
Here we are

Above: legal

Initially Cropped:

...Legal

Add an inside border:

...Legal

Add Canvas area:

...ILLEGAL

Actually I think this would be considered illegal too as there is no separation between the blue squares and the edge of the photo. If there was another thin border inside the white it may be legal. I may be wrong though. I usually am!

Add an inside border:

...Legal??????

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08/12/2009 03:37:01 AM · #37

Originally posted by Lutchenko:

The question is at what point does the legal border become illegal, ie I can make it larger pixel by pixel but at what point does it stop being a border?

This question has been answered many times in this thread. When the border blends in with the photo then it is illegal. A border on a landscape doesn't blend into the landscape....but a border on something like your image becomes questionable as to whether it was part of the original photo!!

Message edited by author 2009-08-12 03:47:10.

BeeCee

Nikon D40

08/12/2009 03:38:48 AM · #38

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

My opinion...

Originally posted by Lutchenko:
Here we are

Above: legal

Initially Cropped:

...Legal

Add an inside border:

...Legal

Add Canvas area:

...ILLEGAL

Exactly. In the bolded example it looks like a border to me. Once he added the black border the white addition looked like part of the original capture. I simply put the slight difference in colour between squares down as shadow from the black mats that I presumed he used on a white background with holes in it.

rinac

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Pentax SMC-F 50mm f/1.7

08/12/2009 03:39:07 AM · #39

Will, I'd say it's because all the white areas appear to be part of the original photograph. So the extra border is not distinguishable from the vertical strips dividing the three squares. Does that make sense?

08/12/2009 03:41:53 AM · #40

Originally posted by rinac:

If you look closely you will see that the vertical strips are not actually white though

08/12/2009 03:42:44 AM · #41

Originally posted by Lutchenko:

Originally posted by rinac:
Will, I'd say it's because all the white areas appear to be part of the original photograph. So the extra border is not distinguishable from the vertical strips dividing the three squares. Does that make sense?

If you look closely you will see that the vertical strips are not actually white though

Read what BeeCee wrote....PLEASE!!!!

08/12/2009 03:43:56 AM · #42

Originally posted by Judi:

When I said inside border - this is the only inside border I added:

not the part between the frames

08/12/2009 03:46:40 AM · #43

Originally posted by Judi:

When the border blends in with the photo then it is legal.

What??? That's the first time I ever heard of that.

08/12/2009 03:46:44 AM · #44

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Judi:
Actually I think this would be considered illegal too as there is no separation between the blue squares and the edge of the photo. If there was another thin border inside the white it may be legal. I may be wrong though. I usually am!

Add an inside border:

...Legal??????

When I said inside border - this is the only inside border I added:

not the part between the frames

Yeah...I know...I meant a small colored border between the red and the blue squares...something to separate them...as

BeeCee said, because the strips between the squares were off white they looked like they were in shadow due to mats being used as the squares and the white border was actually a part of the photo. It needs something to completely distinguish the border as a 'border'...not as part of the photo.

08/12/2009 03:47:34 AM · #45

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Judi:
When the border blends in with the photo then it is legal.

What??? That's the first time I ever heard of that.

Doh!! Typo...I have corrected my post. Thanks for pointing that out Art.

08/12/2009 03:48:55 AM · #46

Originally posted by Judi:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Judi:
Actually I think this would be considered illegal too as there is no separation between the blue squares and the edge of the photo. If there was another thin border inside the white it may be legal. I may be wrong though. I usually am!

Add an inside border:

...Legal??????

When I said inside border - this is the only inside border I added:

not the part between the frames

Yeah...I know...I meant a small colored border between the red and the blue squares...something to separate them...as BeeCee said, because the strips between the squares were off white they looked like they were in shadow due to mats being used as the squares and the white border was actually a part of the photo. It needs something to completely distinguish the border as a 'border'...not as part of the photo.

So the only way to rule on this is to state that the border must not come into contact with part of the image that is the same colour as that border yeah

rinac

Pentax K20D

Pentax SMC-F 50mm f/1.7

08/12/2009 03:50:02 AM · #47

Originally posted by Judi:

Read what BeeCee wrote....PLEASE!!!!

Apologies, I was 20 seconds too slow for you apparently.