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07/19/2009 02:17:02 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy: So, basically, take everything on here with a grain of salt, filter through it, don't let yourself stop growing because you've surrounded yourself with people that tell you you're awesome, and work on discovering what kind of photographer YOU are, instead of simply trying to be a DPC photographer, and it'll be one of the best sites you can ever think of being a part of while you're a part of it. |
Good advice. Some of my low scoring entries have actually been successful, because I hit the target audience I was aiming for, never expecting a high score. |
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07/19/2009 02:43:40 PM · #27 |
Funny, back when I was checking out DPReview for camera reviews, some forum members there were mocking DPChallenge. So it goes! |
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07/19/2009 02:48:38 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by citymars: Funny, back when I was checking out DPReview for camera reviews, some forum members there were mocking DPChallenge. So it goes! |
I'd go to DPReview if I needed hardware advice, in an instant. It's just two different worlds. |
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07/19/2009 02:57:07 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy: Originally posted by citymars: Funny, back when I was checking out DPReview for camera reviews, some forum members there were mocking DPChallenge. So it goes! |
I'd go to DPReview if I needed hardware advice, in an instant. It's just two different worlds. |
I spend a lot of time in their Sigma forum. These guys take photography, and perhaps themselves, VERY seriously! They will pick an argument down to the core -- down to which article or pronoun you used in a particular sentence and the implied meaning of such. How can you not admire that? |
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07/19/2009 02:58:46 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by bvy: Originally posted by K10DGuy: Originally posted by citymars: Funny, back when I was checking out DPReview for camera reviews, some forum members there were mocking DPChallenge. So it goes! |
I'd go to DPReview if I needed hardware advice, in an instant. It's just two different worlds. |
I spend a lot of time in their Sigma forum. These guys take photography, and perhaps themselves, VERY seriously! They will pick an argument down to the core -- down to which article or pronoun you used in a particular sentence and the implied meaning of such. How can you not admire that? |
HAHAH. That's hardcore. Luckily, the pentax forums aren't that bad, but I'm not an active poster there. I just read. |
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07/19/2009 05:28:18 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy: Of course, this comes with its own bag of 'uh ohs', as being a successful photographer here won't necessarily translate elsewhere.
Also, there is that whole cult of "we're all awesome" here that is dangerous and a bit wearisome. |
Well said! Unless you are interested in Photography as a tool for an "exact" duplication of what you see (like the ultimate Xerox machine), it really, to me, is an art form. And like all art, people either love it, hate it, or are indifferent. In art there is no "right or wrong"......for if so, then paintings by an Elephant from the Wild Animal Park, wouldn't be selling for thousands of dollars.....
One reason I like Ken Rockwell's website (well, this is about best and worst sites for photography "advice") is because he encourages one (advice) to explore that aspect of taking pictures (as an art), such as when he recommends crfanking up color and saturation (and he is the first to acknowledge that "he" likes it that way, and that he doesn't ascribe to the tenets of a picture should be an exact rendition, even if boring).
As so well inferred above, if you like your photos.....if other people who matter to you like your photos.....and if "gasp" you are interested in and able to sell your photos, even if oversaturated and "over" colored, good for you! Makes you the "genius" and your "technical detractors" the "failures".......
Reading how "hardcore" many of the other sites are, I'm glad I stumbled onto Ken Rockwell's website when I did, or I might not have decided to pursue the hobby again, now, later in life. |
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07/19/2009 08:53:41 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula: Can't believe nobody has pointed out Strobist for the awesomeness that it is in this thread yet. |
+1 for Strobist
Message edited by author 2009-07-19 20:54:31. |
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07/19/2009 09:02:04 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by bcoolbro: Originally posted by JH: You forgot //www.kenrockwell.com/ - Only this morning I was wondering to myself, is he a genius or a fool? |
Newly registered today, and I actually found this site, from a search on Ken and saw your Ken Rockwell Genius or Fool Forum, and just read it in it's entirety, and ACTUALLY JOINED in order to place a post, only to find it closed......then I decided to check out the site, and lo and behold, found the above.....so I got to post after all! :-)
I think Ken Rosckwell's site is excellent. He provides his own personal opinions, for all to read. As opinions, we must make sure they work for us (of course), but I, myself, like to hear other people's opinions! His site has been very beneficial for me, in my decision making process, with regards to purchasing camera equipment. As an example, based on Ken Rockwell's opinions, I have chosen to put my money into lenses, versus upgrading to the newest bodies. I shoot Nikon, not because Ken Rockwell said to, but because I have lots of older Nikon lenses from back when I first started purchasing camera equipment, in 1970, so I wanted to still be able to use those lenses and bodies.....not sure if that was a wise choice, but it worked for me, as a hobbyist.
As for is he a Genius or a Fool, I think Ken Rockwell is a Genius! He has found a fun way to make a nice living.....without really having to try and sell anything........judging from his website ranking alone, he is certainky quite popular. For fun, I compared his website valuation (www.kenrockwell.com) with this website (dpchallenge.com)......the results are found below. Not bad!!
www.kenrockwell.com results: //www.webtrafficagents.com/WebSiteValue/www.kenrockwell.com
www.dpchallenge.com results: //www.webtrafficagents.com/WebSiteValue/www.dpchallenge.com
I personally like how he focuses less on technical specs, and more on usability.....for me, he makes things a bit easier to understand. Like everything else on the internet, I am sure he is somewhat biased towards what he thinks is best. I have met him, and while he is certainly eccentric at times, and absolutely highly opiniated, and perhaps not too terribly kind and gentle in his presentation, I know professional photographers who know him, such as Karl Grobl, who have told me that Ken's opinions are his own, and that he has not been bought by Nikon or Canon, or any other manufacturer, for that matter, and that I like!
So funny to see the really strong negative opinions, about someone, from those who never even met the man, all because his opinions and his method of presentation, don't "fit well" with them. And I especially like those who want to "protect" the innocent from reading Ken Rockwell's reviews, and being steered in the wrong direction. Really? So are we to become the Internet Police? Who specifically decides what is "acceptable opinion" and what is not? Most of us check out lots of sites, magazines, books, and friends, when learning about a potential new purchase. It is up to each of us to make sure we are well educated. And, if enough of us rely, say, on Ken Rockwell, and find his advice to be terrible, then his website will find itself visited less, and ultimately will fade into obscurity...........clearly, from the links above, that isn't happening now, anyways.
Well, my opinion, for what it's worth. And now I will check out the rest of your site. Thanks for allowing me to join!
(The new guy!) |
You do realize that he reviews gear he has never touched, don't you? Read his "about" section. He cautions people NOT to take him too seriously and ADMITS that he says stuff just to be controversial - which by the way, brings enormous traffic to his site. Try searching Ken Rockwell on the DPReview main forum page. You'll get something like 70,000 hits! I don't think much of many of his opinions on gear and photography, but I bow to his Marketing genius. |
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07/19/2009 11:11:35 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Gatorguy: I don't think much of many of his opinions on gear and photography, |
For me, he's pretty useful simply because most of what I want to research he's already gone back and revised his original opinions on once he has replaced it with something new.
I like his comparative impressions when he has some time with his newest toy.
I have found his information unerring as it applied to my questions and needs.
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