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06/25/2009 10:24:27 AM · #1 |
This just ticks me right off. Ok, so I am a hard ass and very rough around the edges in so many ways (as evidenced here by the lack of responses or the negative responses I get to my posts). But I always speak my mind (another fault of mine I guess). Today what has got me going is the challenge entries entered with the express intention of getting the less than virtual 'brown ribbon.' Why? So many people here are genuinely trying to learn the craft of photography, to learn and develop skills, and to try and apply that to the photos they enter into challenges. Yes, someone has to come in last place. However, I just find it rather an insult to those people to intentionally take a bad picture and then enter it into a challenge. You cannot convince me that a poorly composed, poorly lit, out of focus image is the best 'you' can do.
I know, there will be some who think I am just what I stated in the second sentence of this post. There will be some who will say "Oh come on, it is all in fun anyway." But what about those who are genuinely trying their best? I just find it an insult to others genuine efforts.
NOTE: For the record I am not in the challenges that sparked this rant. |
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06/25/2009 10:27:50 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by CEJ:
Ok, so I am a hard ass and very rough around the edges in so many ways... |
Oh, c'mon -- your Nude III entry proved this ages ago...
-just trying to lighten your mood :-) |
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06/25/2009 10:58:50 AM · #3 |
It's a game. If I enter an intentional brown effort (which I have only done once), how is that really hurting anyone? Myself, I appreciate an effort to not take things so seriously.
As far as people intentionally trying their best, that is why you will find genuinely helpful critiques and suggestions left on many of the browns. I've left some and so have others. |
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06/25/2009 11:20:25 AM · #4 |
People that work hard to only reproduce tried and true ribbon winning efforts that have no individuality or personality outside the obvious "doing it because it works" factor piss ME off, but whattyagonna do?
It takes all types, and it's because we have all types that this place still rather works.
Also, yes, I'm one of the ones that believes you nailed your own personality in the first couple of lines, but hey, it makes for some amusing days. |
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06/25/2009 11:27:46 AM · #5 |
I intentionally enter.
They are very often poor quality shots.
I guess I'm guilty. |
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06/25/2009 11:44:17 AM · #6 |
| Are you the definer of "poor quality"? I've gotten 5 brown ribbons/last place, and have 2 more at 0% but not quite last. Then I have tons of 1% and 2%, etc. and so on. Are they the best pictures I've ever taken? No. Are they the best I could come up with for the challenge? Yes. Does that make me a bad photographer? Maybe. Will I still take pictures and enter them in challenges no matter who it pisses off? For sure! If you want a contest where you don't have to look at poor quality, then I'd suggest you go somewhere where you have to pay to enter each shot. Surely then you wouldn't have to look at crap such as mine. Then again, you probably wouldn't get to vote anyway. |
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06/25/2009 11:53:40 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Are you the definer of "poor quality"? I've gotten 5 brown ribbons/last place, and have 2 more at 0% but not quite last. Then I have tons of 1% and 2%, etc. and so on. Are they the best pictures I've ever taken? No. Are they the best I could come up with for the challenge? Yes. Does that make me a bad photographer? Maybe. Will I still take pictures and enter them in challenges no matter who it pisses off? For sure! If you want a contest where you don't have to look at poor quality, then I'd suggest you go somewhere where you have to pay to enter each shot. Surely then you wouldn't have to look at crap such as mine. Then again, you probably wouldn't get to vote anyway. |
To be fair, he's not saying he's pissed off at bad photography. He's pissed off at INTENTIONALLY bad photography. There most certainly are people that try, on purpose, to end up in the bottom for the 'brown ribbon'. He doesn't like that.
Don't take it so personally :D |
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06/25/2009 12:11:25 PM · #8 |
Achieving the brown at will is an art form that few have mastered. My own single effort at the brown was beaten out by a lenscap shot from  CharlieBaker. My shot that did (unintentionally) get the brown also achieved the feat of stealing that coveted, but dubious, distinction from Posthumous. |
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06/25/2009 01:55:19 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
To be fair, he's not saying he's pissed off at bad photography. He's pissed off at INTENTIONALLY bad photography. |
Unless the image is titled "Intentionally Going For The Brown" how the heck does he know the photographer's INTENT? (Maybe it's time we all put our foil caps on again!) |
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06/25/2009 02:05:45 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
how the heck does he know the photographer's INTENT? (Maybe it's time we all put our foil caps on again!) |
Well, you often know for sure afterwards when you read the notes. You can also safely assume a polar bear in a snowstorm or a coal mine at night are intentional brownie efforts. |
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06/25/2009 02:17:59 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
To be fair, he's not saying he's pissed off at bad photography. He's pissed off at INTENTIONALLY bad photography. |
Unless the image is titled "Intentionally Going For The Brown" how the heck does he know the photographer's INTENT? (Maybe it's time we all put our foil caps on again!) |
I'm, er, assuming that he's seeing the forum posts or photographers' comments after challenges are finished in which people will admit that that's what they're doing. |
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06/25/2009 02:28:50 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
I'm, er, assuming that he's seeing the forum posts or photographers' comments after challenges are finished in which people will admit that that's what they're doing. |
Well then, I say if you go looking for trouble you'll usually find it. Since the rules don't say anything about motivation, I guess I just don't feel a need to look into that issue ... |
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06/25/2009 02:31:31 PM · #13 |
Oh come on, it is all in fun anyway.
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06/25/2009 02:37:54 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
I'm, er, assuming that he's seeing the forum posts or photographers' comments after challenges are finished in which people will admit that that's what they're doing. |
Well then, I say if you go looking for trouble you'll usually find it. Since the rules don't say anything about motivation, I guess I just don't feel a need to look into that issue ... |
Well, of course not :)
It's not something that can be looked into, it's just one man's ire. Pete knows there's enough ire on this site to run Ireland for a decade. |
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06/25/2009 03:39:08 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
It's not something that can be looked into, it's just one man's ire. Pete knows there's enough ire on this site to run Ireland for a decade. |
If someone could just figure out a way to convert testosterone to electricity the energy crisis would be solved ... ;-) |
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06/25/2009 09:46:20 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Are you the definer of "poor quality"? I've gotten 5 brown ribbons/last place, and have 2 more at 0% but not quite last. Then I have tons of 1% and 2%, etc. and so on. Are they the best pictures I've ever taken? No. Are they the best I could come up with for the challenge? Yes. Does that make me a bad photographer? Maybe. Will I still take pictures and enter them in challenges no matter who it pisses off? For sure! If you want a contest where you don't have to look at poor quality, then I'd suggest you go somewhere where you have to pay to enter each shot. Surely then you wouldn't have to look at crap such as mine. Then again, you probably wouldn't get to vote anyway. |
If you actually read my post and understood it, you would realize that, according to your post, you are exactly the type of participant I am 'supporting.' Or attempting to support based on the reactions so far.
I am not 'the' definer of anything. Just someone with an opinion.
Message edited by author 2009-06-25 21:48:50. |
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06/25/2009 09:52:33 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Are you the definer of "poor quality"? I've gotten 5 brown ribbons/last place, and have 2 more at 0% but not quite last. Then I have tons of 1% and 2%, etc. and so on. Are they the best pictures I've ever taken? No. Are they the best I could come up with for the challenge? Yes. Does that make me a bad photographer? Maybe. Will I still take pictures and enter them in challenges no matter who it pisses off? For sure! If you want a contest where you don't have to look at poor quality, then I'd suggest you go somewhere where you have to pay to enter each shot. Surely then you wouldn't have to look at crap such as mine. Then again, you probably wouldn't get to vote anyway. |
To be fair, he's not saying he's pissed off at bad photography. He's pissed off at INTENTIONALLY bad photography. There most certainly are people that try, on purpose, to end up in the bottom for the 'brown ribbon'. He doesn't like that.
Don't take it so personally :D |
Are you saying that while I'm a bad photographer, I'm not intentionally a bad photographer? ROFL!
Forgive me, I'm pms'ing... |
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06/25/2009 09:53:18 PM · #18 |
Personally, I just hate wasting my time working out helpful comments to find that they don't want to improve the shot but, rather, intentionally crapped it.
So I quit commenting on the worst. Hopefully those who do really want the comments will get them from someone. |
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06/25/2009 09:53:29 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by CEJ:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Are you the definer of "poor quality"? I've gotten 5 brown ribbons/last place, and have 2 more at 0% but not quite last. Then I have tons of 1% and 2%, etc. and so on. Are they the best pictures I've ever taken? No. Are they the best I could come up with for the challenge? Yes. Does that make me a bad photographer? Maybe. Will I still take pictures and enter them in challenges no matter who it pisses off? For sure! If you want a contest where you don't have to look at poor quality, then I'd suggest you go somewhere where you have to pay to enter each shot. Surely then you wouldn't have to look at crap such as mine. Then again, you probably wouldn't get to vote anyway. |
If you actually read my post and understood it, you would realize that, according to your post, you are exactly the type of participant I am 'supporting.' Or attempting to support based on the reactions so far.
I am not 'the' definer of anything. Just someone with an opinion. |
Apology accepted ;) |
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06/25/2009 10:25:48 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
...wasting my time working out helpful comments to find that they don't want to improve the shot but, rather, intentionally crapped it. |
Exactly! And exactly what prompted my original post.
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06/25/2009 10:27:00 PM · #21 |
I dunno....I'm not sure what this is all about.
It's the participant's prerogative to do as he/she pleases for an entry. If one wants to concentrate their efforts to achieve last place intentionally, what on earth does that have to do with you, or anyone making a serious entry? It's not like the person is going to be competing with you for standings, so what effect does their efforts at garnering last place have on anyone? This in its own way will defray the last place finish from someone who is trying their best and may not have put forth an image well received by the voters.
Why does this irritate you?
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06/25/2009 10:29:56 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
...wasting my time working out helpful comments to find that they don't want to improve the shot but, rather, intentionally crapped it. |
Originally posted by CEJ:
Exactly! And exactly what prompted my original post. |
That's still no reflection on you.....the comment stands on its own merit.
How many times have you made a comment that wasn't helpful, or in the case of where you may not have gotten the photog's message, wrong?
Does that bother you? It's inevitable that you'll make comments that will be useless. But that doesn't lessen your intent and efforts.
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06/25/2009 10:31:04 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Personally, I just hate wasting my time working out helpful comments to find that they don't want to improve the shot but, rather, intentionally crapped it.
So I quit commenting on the worst. Hopefully those who do really want the comments will get them from someone. |
In reality, the chance that a comment of yours is going to be 'wasted' on a person intentionally going for a brown ribbon is extremely slim. You have a far better chance leaving a comment on someone that simply doesn't care for your comment period. So, using that logic, it's best to just not comment at all ever.
Right? |
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06/25/2009 10:43:52 PM · #24 |
I spend more commenting effort on people that probably don't care if they receive comments. I figure the guy shooting for the brown is more appreciative of the comments, because they confirm he nailing what he was after.
One of my favorite comments from my intentional effort in the "Harsh environments" challenge: Dirt_Diver: "Only thing I see here is a harsh picture, :)" I enjoyed and appreciated that comment. It let me know I achieved my goal. |
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06/26/2009 03:36:16 AM · #25 |
| this thread will, unintentionally, causes voters to punish bad entries which are not done intentionally bad, but perceived to be intentional. |
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