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01/21/2004 02:00:54 PM · #26 |
For a review of the Sony 828 with comparisons to the 10D, see the review of the 828 on the Luminous Landscape website here
I bought my G5 because I wanted to get back into photography, but I did not want to lay out the extra $$ and effort to build, equip, setup and maintain a darkroom. I sold all of my film cameras, lenses and acessories and with a small part of that money, bought my G5. I did not buy a DSLR because I wanted to make sure that I got the same satisfaction from digital as I did when I used to spend long hours in the darkroom printing my work. Now, I find that I do not have a large amount of time to dedicate to photography, but I get as much, or more gratification from photography now as I did when I was shooting film. I do plan to purchase a DSLR (most likely a 10D)in the next few months, mostly because I keep finding my photos limited by the capabilities of my G5. Specifically, I keep wishing for lenses that are wider or longer than what is on the G5, exposure capability beyond 15s, better focusing performance, improved shutter response and the overall flexibility/control that I was used to with a film SLR. I will definitely hang onto my G5 because it is a much easier camera to carry around than a DSLR.
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01/21/2004 02:04:28 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I do plan to purchase a DSLR (most likely a 10D)in the next few months, mostly because I keep finding my photos limited by the capabilities of my G5. Specifically, I keep wishing for lenses that are wider or longer than what is on the G5, exposure capability beyond 15s, better focusing performance, improved shutter response and the overall flexibility/control that I was used to with a film SLR. I will definitely hang onto my G5 because it is a much easier camera to carry around than a DSLR. |
That's mostly how I felt when I moved up from my G2 - thinking I'd keep it to use for the portable aspect but feeling constrained by the limitations of a prosumer style camera.
I recently sold the G2 and bought an optio S4 because I found I never used the G2 again after getting a D60 - it was stuck in the middle groun d of not being very portable really (compared to the S4) and not having anything like the image quality of the D60.
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01/21/2004 02:08:20 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Konador:
I have mine cos I had £1000 to blow, and the Rebel + Lens + 512 memory was £999.97 :)
Also, I really wanted to try a DSLR because I heard the focus was so much faster, the image quality was higher, and I was desperate for a lot of zoom (which is the reason I got a 75-300mm lens instead of the kit lens). |
and has it lived up to what you heard ?
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01/21/2004 02:11:39 PM · #29 |
| Well, I wanted to get into photography, and I wanted a camera that would be a good begining camera, yet I wouldn't out grow it quickly. I did alot af research, because spending $1000 when your 16 was a pretty big thing for me, I guess it sill would be today. But after alot of research, I just fell in love with the f707. |
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01/21/2004 02:13:20 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I do plan to purchase a DSLR (most likely a 10D)in the next few months, mostly because I keep finding my photos limited by the capabilities of my G5. Specifically, I keep wishing for lenses that are wider or longer than what is on the G5, exposure capability beyond 15s, better focusing performance, improved shutter response and the overall flexibility/control that I was used to with a film SLR. I will definitely hang onto my G5 because it is a much easier camera to carry around than a DSLR. |
That's mostly how I felt when I moved up from my G2 - thinking I'd keep it to use for the portable aspect but feeling constrained by the limitations of a prosumer style camera.
I recently sold the G2 and bought an optio S4 because I found I never used the G2 again after getting a D60 - it was stuck in the middle groun d of not being very portable really (compared to the S4) and not having anything like the image quality of the D60. |
I very well may come to that conclusion, we also have a 2.1 MP Canon Digital ELPH (S110) that like the S4 is very portable, produces good results and has the advantage of not scaring my wife with too many buttons/dials/settings. At this point, I'm not planning to give up my G5, but time will tell.
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01/21/2004 02:14:31 PM · #31 |
I got my Coolpix 990 for one main reason at the time. To shoot wildlife through my spotting scope. I have Nikon 606, FE, and FM2 in 35mm with lens up to 400mm. But my scope equals a 3000mm lens with the zoom of the digital camera. See my protfolio under through my scope.
Now that I am really liking digital, I plan on purchasing a digital that I can change lens and probably will sell my film camera/lens, except the 606. Van |
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01/21/2004 02:27:37 PM · #32 |
1) At the time I bought the 602 I could not afford the Canon EOS D30 plus quality lenses
2) I had the feeling that it wasn't wise either to get a D30 with zero experience except for P&S film and digital. The 602 is a camera with all the SLR functions and feel (be it mini) plus it was one of the fastest camera's at that time. I haven't seen anything else capable of 6mp TIFF 5fps. And there is more speed in other areas as well.
AA NiMh rechargeables.
3) Bang for the bucks + save for better cam later
Nowadays I am waiting for either the Canon EOS 1D or 10D succesor or inbetween + a couple of good lenses.
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01/21/2004 02:27:54 PM · #33 |
Well I chose my 4500 over the Canon G2 bcuz of its macro abilities (they say up to 2 cm but I got auto focus at around 1 cm for this shot). Also the swivel lense and compact frame (for travel). Also, I wanted to be able to add lenses to it (I have a polorizer and UV and I'll probably get a wide angle soon). I my opinion it was the best bang for the buck!
What I dislike is that the shutter speed is slower than an SLR. Once in a while I get to shoot with DrJones D1X and it feels soooooooooooooooo good. Maybe I'll buy it off him when he upgrades to the D2X. :-)
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01/21/2004 02:37:43 PM · #34 |
-oops-try again-
Message edited by author 2004-01-21 14:44:52. |
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01/21/2004 02:44:12 PM · #35 |
I'd like to try and dispel a little myth here. There seems to be this underlying assumption that you only buy the Rebel if you can't afford the 10D. Well, as it happens, I can afford the 10D but chose the Rebel anyway. There's a clear difference between price and [b]value[b].
Prices are easy to compare, since they're absolute. Value is user-dependent. I'll agree that the 10D clearly has more/different features and a more solid body construction. But what if I never use those features? It's like me paying extra for an ashtray in my car...I don't smoke. The 10D can sustain greater impact than the Rebel..but will it? If this camera lasts long enough to outlive it's obsolescence (come on, you all know it will be obsolete sooner than we want it to be) then you pay the premium for nothing.
So all in all for me, the Rebel was a much better value, while the 10d is a better camera in absolute terms. For the price of the 10d body, I got the Rebel, a nice versatile lens 28-300mm F3.5-5.6, 2 filters, a 256MB CF card, and a bag.
It doesn't mean I'll never upgrade to the 10d, but for now the combination of quality and the feature set of the 300d was perfect for me. and i don't mind the silver :)
Pedro
p.s. as an interesting aside, two little things to consider: 1) in side by side tests, the image quality of the 10d and 300d were virtually indistinguishable, and the AF speed was identical or slightly better in the 300d(using identical lenses). and secondly, the new 'digital only' lens in the rebel kit is likely to become a standard. That means all new lenses in this format will not be usable on the current 10d platform. It's just like this awesome turntable I have...with no new records to play :( |
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01/21/2004 02:46:44 PM · #36 |
already had an EOS Elan and a bag full of EOS lenses - might as well get a digital that could share the lenses ....
got it before there was the 10D or the Rebel - otherwise i probably would've picked the 10D
Message edited by author 2004-01-21 18:10:37.
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01/21/2004 04:29:54 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
I'd like to try and dispel a little myth here. There seems to be this underlying assumption that you only buy the Rebel if you can't afford the 10D. Well, as it happens, I can afford the 10D but chose the Rebel anyway. There's a clear difference between price and [b]value[b]. |
Your points are all absolutely correct - particularly in terms of image quality because the underlying electronics are exactly the same.
However, if I had to choose between the 10D and the Rebel right now to replace my D60, I'd pick the 10D. Simply because for the type of shooting I usually do (and I had a quick scan back over the last 2000 shots or so) 90% of them I couldn't have taken with the Rebel due to missing features or lack of control. I could have maybe taken them in different ways, or worked around the issues with the camera - but I don't have to do that with the D60 or 10D...
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01/21/2004 04:44:58 PM · #38 |
I have a 10D because my husband, (who gave me the camera for Christmas), decided that I needed it since I already had a Canon 35mm with 3 lenses. I previously used, (and am keeping as a backup camera), a F707. I shoot entirely with the 10D right now, but I SURE DO MISS THE SWIVEL BODY!! I used that a lot and loved it.
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01/21/2004 05:11:20 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
However, if I had to choose between the 10D and the Rebel right now to replace my D60, I'd pick the 10D. Simply because for the type of shooting I usually do (and I had a quick scan back over the last 2000 shots or so) 90% of them I couldn't have taken with the Rebel due to missing features or lack of control. I could have maybe taken them in different ways, or worked around the issues with the camera - but I don't have to do that with the D60 or 10D... |
I'm curious, G - What sorts of shots couldn't you do with the 300d? I know the 9-shot burst of the 10d would be a bonus, mirror lock-up for Macros would be a plus...but what am I missing? |
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01/21/2004 05:20:51 PM · #40 |
| Previously I had a 1.3 mp point and shoot that didn't offer any manual control other than white balance and exposure comp. After about a year, I began to get frustrated with its limitations. The S30 is compact, and had all the features that I wanted at a price I could afford. It will last me until I get a DSLR (long time away) or it breaks. I still think it is a great camera. |
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01/21/2004 05:21:41 PM · #41 |
Easy...
- I had a wide range of Nikon compatible lenses when I bought my D1H. I knew I had to go Nikon
- I needed a high speed, top of the line professional camera, the D1H had the best fps when I bought it. I knew I would be using it mostly for sports photography.
- From all of the major news photographers and sports photographers I talked to I was highly incouraged to buy the D1H over the D1X because of how fast it was.
Some may scoff at the 2.7 mp that my camera puts out, but because of the beautiful optics of my lenses, and the professional camera, I can easily blow up photos to 8x12 and larger with very little loss of quality.
There was no doubt what camera was for me, I absolutely LOVE it. Some day I may trade up to the D2H but I'm pretty happy where I am at currently
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01/21/2004 05:39:56 PM · #42 |
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01/21/2004 05:46:41 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Jacko:
I have a small penis. |
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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01/21/2004 06:10:01 PM · #44 |
| I sold my Dimage 7 today, I am now a canon guy!I wanted a true SLR and the ability to change lenses at a good price!! |
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01/21/2004 06:10:51 PM · #45 |
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01/21/2004 06:13:08 PM · #46 |
Well, I'm still using a 2 mp camera that I loved so much when I bought it, that I went back to the store and purchased a second one as a backup, but have sold that since for more than $300 than I paid for it initially. When I purchased the Oly C-2100 no other camera, except for the Canon 90, had a 10X zoom. The oly came with an image stablization lens and that in itself sold me on the camera, but I also loved it cause it had loads of SLR-like features that I didn't find in other cameras at the time. I wanted to learn photography the hard way, with a fully manual shooting mode, which most other cameras at the price that I purchased it didn't have it, so that was another selling feature for me.
What I really don't like about my camera is the EVF viewfinder. I think they are the worst and would not consider any camera that has one.
I'm on the prowl now for another camera and have been considering a move up to a dig-SLR but will not take the plunge just yet. I think I'm going to wait about another year to see what else comes out and to see if a cam like the Rebel comes down in price. You see, I'm a cheapy...and hate to pay top dollar for anything, so I may just buy a used DSLR-like cam again (I'm considering a purchase of a used Oly E10 if I can find one that's in good shape and cheap enough). And in the meantime, I'm making other needed purchases, like studio lighting and software purchases. |
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01/21/2004 06:15:02 PM · #47 |
| i knew like 4 guys who all had the 717 and 2 that had the 707 and they all told me they loved there cameras. plus in the 700$ price range it has just about everything i would want. and the swivel feature is awesome :) |
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01/21/2004 06:15:47 PM · #48 |
| I try both, Nikon and Sony. In that days EOS 300D is not in market. Nikon sure had a better optics (35-280 equiv. lens, 8x Zoom), and a color filter that reduces aberrations. The image quality is amazing and more "REAL" images can be taken. Sony does more things. Like IR Shooting, laser AF-Assist, but has a lack with flash. I choose get a camera with superior lens and optics, cause lens and optics are the camera itself. |
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01/21/2004 06:22:37 PM · #49 |
Iâve thought long and hard about this post before coming to this conclusion. Iâve even slept on it and paced monotonously at work round and round the laser printer deciphering why I have failed to answer this post in a timely fashion. So, my final answer is, NO, we will not allow you to upgrade your camera. Your photos are already peaking the max and take most of the ribbons and there is no chance in hell we are going to let you upgrade to a better camera and dominate the entire world and make us all eat extra cheesy mac&cheese. I personally will donate 50 bucks to the âStop David Sidwell before he assimilates usâ foundation to begin the revolution.
Message edited by author 2004-01-21 18:23:37. |
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01/21/2004 06:22:44 PM · #50 |
I'm surprised none of the 5700 owners have chimed in. For me the 8x zoom was the biggie- I like having that 35-280mm range. The superior Nikon glass. The swivel viewfinder. After reading the review at dpreview.com- and all the user reviews- I decided it was the best I could buy without needing separate lenses. Much as I'm thinking it'll be hard to pass up the D70 when it's released, paying for a bunch of lenses and not having a sealed chip doesn't sound appetizing. If it has that swivel viewfinder though....
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