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01/02/2004 11:25:01 AM · #1 |
I am going to purchase one of these two programs very soon. Opinions on the more powerful one? The more user friendly one? General opinions?
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01/02/2004 04:25:38 PM · #2 |
| If you have ambitions of moving beyoud a hobby with your photography you should get PhotoShop Elements as it will lead you along the learning curve to the big bucks, "industry standard". If you just want a good photo editor to clean up your shots for printing and the internet PaintShop 8 will do the job nicely and is easier to use of those two. They are both very good programs. |
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01/02/2004 05:56:22 PM · #3 |
| I don't have v.8 of Photoshop, nor have I ever worked with it. I have Photoshop Elements, and I love it and all the flexibility it has. I have talked with a graphic arts major who said that Elements does almost all of the same functions as the more expensive versions. If you don't plan on being a pro soon, Elements will probably do everything and more than you need. However, if you plan on being a pro soon, you should just go with the new CS version, because it does a little more, plus more actions and plug-ins will work with it. The biggest difference between the two is the price! |
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01/02/2004 06:08:53 PM · #4 |
| Just a suggestion. You can try a free version of psp8. Download it and see if it has the features you need. I find that it does everything I need it to do and would never buy a different program. Plus it has lots of features that I don't use at all. No matter what program you use, you will get an idea of what and how to do it in another program. They might have different terms for what they are doing, but it comes down to the same thing. |
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01/02/2004 06:56:14 PM · #5 |
The more powerfull one I'm sure is psp 8
user friendly? There is nothing user friendly about either.
I would sugest going with elements. Go to any local book store and try to find an instruction book for psp. You will probaly find several for photoshop.
Thats my opinion and I'm still a psp7 user.
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01/19/2004 11:45:25 PM · #6 |
Lol... I use PSP 8 (in fact, I went ahead and got the entire Power Suite which includes PS Photo Album). I also use PhotoShop 7 (and will get CS soon) and I've used PhotoShop Elements because it came with my scanner. I like PSP and Photoshop, Elements being a little too user friendly to be flexible from my point of view. I don't like programs which force me into choices they think are what most people would want because, frankly, they're usually not what I want. OTOH, I get educational pricing and can afford to use the high end industry standard software because of that. If you don't have access to educational pricing, I'd say get PSP 8 because, between that and Elements, PSP 8 is the clear winner. Last but not least, PSP only works on a PC while Elements and PhotoShop work on both Mac and PC. I use both platforms and need tools which work on both - I still can't find anything as good as Graphic Converter is on the Mac for the PC, though PSP can handle some of the things it does.
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01/20/2004 12:09:48 AM · #7 |
| Git 'em both ! I just got PSP 7 yesterday in addition to Elements 2 , and already , I'm tempted to spend the next month re-doing my proofs ! |
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01/20/2004 12:20:47 AM · #8 |
Go to the two websites and download the trail versions try them both for 30 days and decide from there.
As for which on is more user friendly, you will quickly learn which one you like. What is user friend for one person may not be for another.
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01/20/2004 12:30:48 AM · #9 |
I used to use PSP 7 for the simple stuff and Photoshop 7 for the more complicated stuff.
Tried PSP 8, more complicated that PSP 7 and tries to be more like Photoshop but didn't quite get there, so I prefer PSP 7, although I now seldom use it to be honest. Not knocking it though, PSP is sensational, and truly excellent value.
There is, however, a huge advantage to using Elements if you are ever likely to move on later to photoshop. You will have FAR LESS to relearn when you move. I found knowing PSP 7 a real disadvantage when I started learning Photoshop as although there are similarities, they are similar enough to confuse, but not alike enough to make the transition pleasant.
Message edited by author 2004-01-20 00:31:47.
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01/20/2004 01:15:57 AM · #10 |
I've used PSP since its shareware days ('96 or so), and I believe it's the more flexible of the two and probably more comparable to Photoshop itself. But hey, I tend to be pretty anti-establishment. Adobe's just too corporate for my tastes. Jasc also has wonderful tech support. I'm not sure, but I think you need to purchase tech support from Adobe? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
On the downside--many of the tutorials referenced at DPC and on the web are geared toward Photoshop users. You can usually figure out how to do the same thing in PSP, you just have to think a little more, as there are no step by step instructions to follow.
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01/20/2004 06:24:05 AM · #11 |
For photographic proofing and tidying-up, I doubt there's very much difference between the two. If you want to get a bit more complicated, then PSP doesn't have a selection brush option - a major difficulty if your doing tricky editing. My  future shot was all done in PSP8 though, so it isn't impossible.
Ed
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01/20/2004 07:38:03 AM · #12 |
| I have an older copy of Corel on my computer which I received recently and I'm experimenting with....I downloaded the 30 day trial version of Elements, but something happened with it and it expired after 4 days of use. Now I have downloaded the PaintShopPro8 and I have it for 60 days to try out. I'm finding it easier to use than Elements, but I honestly didn't get to use Elements for very long. I am going to purchase one of these programs too in the future... |
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01/20/2004 08:06:04 AM · #13 |
I've been using the PSP 7 that came with my pc but it expired. I've been listening to comments comparing PSP8 w/ Elements. I downloaded Elements (dagaleaa: I'm in day 4 -- I hope it works tomorrow!). I'm defineatly on a learning curve. Some things are better in elements (like being able to isolate a large portion of an image, e.g background for editing) and some are simplier on PSP7 like correcting florescent lighting. The layers thing is a different way of viewing the image and took some getting use to (I'm still not really there).
I've been watching the prices on e-bay and note that they're about $50-60 US for the Elements cds that came with a lot of cameras/scanner. PSP 8 was running about $45 - 55. Buyer Beware, of course, but I'll probably buy a copy this way - I'm a fairly frequent buyer on the site (hopefully I'll select well) |
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01/20/2004 11:19:57 AM · #14 |
I'm new to digital (this fall) and new to home PC's (just got my 1st last summer). Have elements 2.0 (came with the Epson 2200 printer) and have PSP8 plus a couple of other HP photo editing programs. Struggled with Elements, then just decided to use PSP8. Very easy.
I think if you are looking for "auto" fixes with some individual control, then PSP8 is good. If you are consumed with each minutia of desk top darkroom editing and are trying for the most artistic control, then the veterans prefer Photo shop.
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01/20/2004 11:55:14 AM · #15 |
You do, indeed, have to purchase tech support from Adobe if you use Elements or PhotoShop after the initial 30 - 90 day period (can't remember which it is now, it's been years since I used it). I much prefer Jasc in many ways and it's even reasonably priced straight up retail. If you go to their site, there is usually a sale on and I have found the prices to be great.
On the Mac side, I use PhotoShop, PageMaker, Canto Cumulus (for cataloging), Painter, and many other programs. I'm decidedly a digital imaging freak and a bit of a perfectionist who likes to tweak things to suit my own working style so I've found the user-friendly aspects of Elements annoying. That said, I have to admit to loving PSP 8's auto correction tools - they seem a lot better suited to what I'm aiming for when I do the corrections one at a time. So, that's one of the things that has sold me on PSP and why I'd recommend it over Elements.
OTOH, like someone has already said, they are all available in free trial versions and each person has their own ways of doing things which would be supported better in one or the other of the programs so I second (third, fourth...?) the idea of trying them out before buying any of them.
One thing I really love about Jasc is that they include so much for such a small price and it's not just smoke and mirrors, it's really good quality for the cost. I've found that PSP 8 Power Suite, for example, has a version of the most used aspects of many of the other programs I use in one place and that's handy. Still, since it's only available for the PC, I never would have been able to use it until I started using my husband's (faster) PC for graphics so that I could use my (more suitable to musicmaking) Mac for sound recording and composing.
As much as I depend on Adobe products, there is a lot I don't like about how they do business - from buying out small companies making great products and then killing those same products, replacing them with products which are sometimes inferior, to charging an arm and a leg for tech support. So, I totally understand anyone who doesn't want to get caught in the Adobe web.
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