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05/18/2009 09:21:40 AM · #1 |
Just been forwarded this NYPD order by a friend, makes for an interesting read:
NYPD Operations Order
NYPD Operations Order (mirror site)
It's good to see that at least someone there has an ounce of common sense when it comes to dealing with normal photographers!
Message edited by author 2009-05-18 09:33:01.
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05/18/2009 09:23:23 AM · #2 |
I'm printing that out and putting it in my wallet!
Thanks from NYC,
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05/18/2009 09:25:09 AM · #3 |
| I cannot get to the link (timeout) but I read on photo att that while it's a good step for common sense, there are still some vague wording that will let them do it in a lot of cases anyway... A good start for sure..... |
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05/18/2009 09:34:54 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by robs:
I cannot get to the link (timeout) but I read on photo att that while it's a good step for common sense, there are still some vague wording that will let them do it in a lot of cases anyway... A good start for sure..... |
I've added a mirror of the image, which you should hopefully be able to get to. As for the order itself, yes, there is potential for officers to use their own interpretations of it, but at least it clarifies major areas (such as image deletion).
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05/18/2009 10:06:26 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by citymars:
I'm printing that out and putting it in my wallet!
Thanks from NYC,
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Same here
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05/18/2009 10:08:50 AM · #6 |
just read it after I printed it out...... Thanks for posting this!!!!
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05/18/2009 10:44:40 AM · #7 |
| Thanks for posting this... at least it's recognized that practically all photogs are not terrorists :)))) and taking pics in NYC are expected tourist acitivites :))) |
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05/18/2009 10:57:57 AM · #8 |
Nice find, thanks for posting.
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05/18/2009 11:03:39 AM · #9 |
| Cool! GOod news for a change. |
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05/18/2009 11:16:06 AM · #10 |
| Whoa, thx for this. I have been asked to not take photos in grand central before.. this should cover it. |
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05/18/2009 01:27:02 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by citymars:
I'm printing that out and putting it in my wallet!
Thanks from NYC,
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So maybe they find a confidential police order in your wallet... then what? ;-) |
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05/18/2009 01:28:14 PM · #12 |
| In other news, the FDNY has orders to firehose any photographers they wish. |
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05/18/2009 02:36:10 PM · #13 |
| Thanks for the post. It's nice to have something in print because I'm getting a little tired, having to bitch slap Cops all the time. |
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05/18/2009 02:47:53 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
In other news, the FDNY has orders to firehose any photographers they wish. |
Good thing I have a weather proof camera. |
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05/18/2009 03:21:17 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Lockke:
Whoa, thx for this. I have been asked to not take photos in grand central before.. this should cover it. |
Does anyone know - I don't believe this covers the transit renta cops... I know there was some discussion with them also but this is only the NYPD. |
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05/18/2009 04:02:16 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by robs:
Originally posted by Lockke:
Whoa, thx for this. I have been asked to not take photos in grand central before.. this should cover it. |
Does anyone know - I don't believe this covers the transit renta cops... I know there was some discussion with them also but this is only the NYPD. |
The linked information covers Transit applications as well...
R. |
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05/18/2009 04:05:27 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by robs:
Originally posted by Lockke:
Whoa, thx for this. I have been asked to not take photos in grand central before.. this should cover it. |
Does anyone know - I don't believe this covers the transit renta cops... I know there was some discussion with them also but this is only the NYPD. |
The linked information covers Transit applications as well...
R. |
It covers transit, but will rent-a-cops ever see this policy? |
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05/19/2009 10:36:36 AM · #18 |
| They will when I pull it out of my wallet. |
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05/21/2009 02:12:31 PM · #19 |
Man...wish I could've had this last week...the hubby went to New York last week and had people screaming at him that he couldn't take pictures...etc...he said he just told them calmly he 'would' take his picture and be out of their way quickly. He said they would just keep yelling the whole time.
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05/21/2009 02:18:22 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by colyla:
Man...wish I could've had this last week...the hubby went to New York last week and had people screaming at him that he couldn't take pictures...etc...he said he just told them calmly he 'would' take his picture and be out of their way quickly. He said they would just keep yelling the whole time. |
I guess it all depends on where he went. I have been to New York, albeit not lately and there were locations where there were signs that explicitly forbade the taking of photographs.
As far as taking images in the streets or near recognized tourist attractions, I can't say that I have ever experienced what your husband went through... then again I do have a very innocent and rather disarming look about me... hehehehe :O)
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05/21/2009 02:38:37 PM · #21 |
In response to the comment about the transit rent-a-cops, the order does say that the MTA expressly permits photography and video recording in the subways, Long Island railway, and Metro-North systems.
Interesting item of note: photographers require permission from the MTA for "commercial shots and/or the use of additional equipment such as lights and tripods." I can kinda understand the lights. If you are doing any sort of elaborate lighting then chances are that you doing something commercial. But a tripod? Um...its kinda dark in subways and I really would rather get decent shots than blurry jumbles of subway-like images. That being said I had heard when I went to NYC in 2005 that no photography was allowed in the subways so I guess I should take what I can get.
Edit to add: It would kinda funny that if the MTA doesn't allow photography when um...they have a picture of the day on their home page.
//www.mta.info/index.html
Message edited by author 2009-05-21 14:42:26.
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05/21/2009 02:48:40 PM · #22 |
The tripod issue is mostly one of them not wanting any extra obstructions in a hectic environment -- someone tripping over a leg of your tripod could easily start an "incident" ...
If it was late at night and on an empty platform, and you asked the guard nicely first, they might let you set one up.
I have a little mini-tripod I got from REI -- it has a handy Velcro strap which lets you clamp it to any available pole or railing; you could get a walker or cane and strap it to that. |
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05/21/2009 04:36:08 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Citadel:
Edit to add: It would kinda funny that if the MTA doesn't allow photography when um...they have a picture of the day on their home page. |
Yes, which reminds me of this other ironic story:
Amtrak police arrest photographer participating in Amtrak photo contest
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