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04/30/2009 05:36:49 PM · #76 |
Ok, so enough of this bickering. I get it, there can be multiple truths and realities. I don't agree, but hey. Here's a link to what should have happened with that 747 (thanks Frank):
This is What the Administration Should Have Done |
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04/30/2009 05:37:32 PM · #77 |
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04/30/2009 05:40:32 PM · #78 |
One of my favorite bits to prove the lefty bias in "mainstream media"
Remember all the protests on the street when the war in Iraq started? I saw 300,000 march in San Francisco, more in New York. Of the 300 interviews carried out in the 48 hours after President Bush made his non-declaration of war guess how many of the experts interviewed on the main stream media (ABC,CBS,NBC and PBS) where against the invasion? 3. 297 for the war, 3 against. How could the lefty media allowed those 3 voice to get on the air? I'll bet Fox didn't let them on. |
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04/30/2009 05:41:19 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by AJHopp:
Nah, I'm done...
:o) |
Originally posted by AJHopp:
Now I'm officially done ranting, and I don't need the last word. |
Originally posted by AJHopp:
OK guys, as fun as this has been, enough is enough (at least for me). It's a free country, and we all have our views. I'm done explaining mine.
I'm off to eat at the Texas Roadhouse. Nothing like good, American red meat! :o)
I hope you all enjoy your evening...) |
Originally posted by AJHopp:
Now my steak is calling... |
Still waiting....
Message edited by author 2009-04-30 17:43:42.
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04/30/2009 05:42:52 PM · #80 |
If it forces financial institutions to make credit card terms easier to understand and prevents them from changing the terms after a contract has already been signed then yeah I'd be in full support of that.
Message edited by author 2009-04-30 17:43:19.
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04/30/2009 05:47:11 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
How about the Credit Card Bill of Rights[/url]? Raise your hand if you are against this one... |
ANOTHER bill? Can't we get a check once in a while? Oh, when will the spending end? ;-P |
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04/30/2009 06:02:15 PM · #82 |
My take on it --
Imagine this "incident" with the photo op had occurred under Bush. What would have been said? I think it is fair to say HE would have received a lot of criticism, and if anyone tried to say he shouldn't have been responsible, they would have been scoffed.
It was a boneheaded move, and it reflects very poorly on his administration, I think, whether he was directly involved or not.
As far as the whole "MY president" thing, I heard/read many say exactly that about Bush (some in these very same forums). When it was pointed out to them that Bush was their president whether they "accepted" it or not, they replied with many of the same things AJ has.
Just depends on which side of the aisle you are on, apparently.
:( which is sad. |
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04/30/2009 06:26:01 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
when will the spending end? ;-P |
Never, so long as we continue to reproduce as a species and we don't invent time travel because we wouldn't want any of those future generation sugar daddies traveling back in time all pissy.
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05/01/2009 10:23:53 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by karmat:
As far as the whole "MY president" thing, I heard/read many say exactly that about Bush (some in these very same forums). When it was pointed out to them that Bush was their president whether they "accepted" it or not, they replied with many of the same things AJ has.
Just depends on which side of the aisle you are on, apparently.
:( which is sad. |
Well, he's not my president... |
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05/01/2009 10:25:58 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by karmat:
As far as the whole "MY president" thing, I heard/read many say exactly that about Bush (some in these very same forums). When it was pointed out to them that Bush was their president whether they "accepted" it or not, they replied with many of the same things AJ has.
Just depends on which side of the aisle you are on, apparently.
:( which is sad. |
Well, he's not my president... |
neither was bush, though, correct? ;) |
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05/01/2009 10:34:24 AM · #86 |
Originally posted by dassilem:
So, did anyone get a shot of this moronic event? |
I didn't even know it was happening until I saw it on the news later. I'm kind of glad I missed it, however. |
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05/01/2009 10:53:23 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by karmat:
My take on it --
Imagine this "incident" with the photo op had occurred under Bush. What would have been said? I think it is fair to say HE would have received a lot of criticism, and if anyone tried to say he shouldn't have been responsible, they would have been scoffed.
It was a boneheaded move, and it reflects very poorly on his administration, I think, whether he was directly involved or not.
As far as the whole "MY president" thing, I heard/read many say exactly that about Bush (some in these very same forums). When it was pointed out to them that Bush was their president whether they "accepted" it or not, they replied with many of the same things AJ has.
Just depends on which side of the aisle you are on, apparently.
:( which is sad. |
Ah but there was so much speculation as to if Bush ACTUALLY won. I think that was enough to say... no. He's not my president. (But what do I know I'm just a damn hippy? :P)
But as far as closing ears and pretending the president (whoever it may be) doesn't exist. That's dumb. Policies of the Bush era I read over, gave thought to, and then made my decisions on. Usually I wasn't for them but I did take the time to decide for myself. I would do the same for the Obamam admin if I cared to but I'm planning to leave for Korea so studying every political move of the US isn't top on my to do list.
I'm not on a band wagon, I don't think he's the savior, I just think Obama is taking a step in the right direction. He's not perfect, nor is his administration, and they've been left with a heaping piles of mess all around. There are going to be mistakes.
As for this particular mistake. Yea it was really dumb. But seriously how many more times do we have to see that crappy cell phone video on prime time news slots? It's over. Get on to something else already. It irks me how the media obsessively focuses on one event (Casey Anthony anyone?) when there are so many things that could be covered in that time. It's all total bull. We've got the whole country clinging on to the sad story of one little girl when there are children dying and starving everywhere. Yes it is a sad story, but move on already.
That rant was all over the place. Apologies. |
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05/01/2009 11:00:50 AM · #88 |
| Yes, the fly over was a moronic idea. And yes, the terrorists probably loved seeing how panicked people became. I feel so sorry for those who had to be subjected to this at the idea and planning of our own government. It is not a matter of people needing to move on and stop panicking. Many in NY suffered PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) and for them it is not such an easy task to just move on. I have no doubt for them, all the therapy they have gone through just took a huge step backwards. I am so happy I was not in NY when the terrorists flew in, or this time when our own government flew in. I only wish my fellow Americans who live in NY did not have to go through this. |
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05/01/2009 11:04:48 AM · #89 |
Originally posted by AJHopp:
As far as the statement I made -under his watch- people are afraid. Any time you cut defense spending (how much did it cost to fly the plane over NYC, anyway?) and kiss up to terrorists and tyrants warrants concern over this country's safety... |
Funny how some of these terrorists and tyrants were in a lot of instances put into power and funded by American interests in the first place, .... groups like Al Quaeda, and the Baathists.
What you view as "Kissing up to terrorists and tyrants" I perceived as a well planned and conceived approach to dealing with the enemy, which could eventually produce much greater results than what has transpired to date.
Let's face facts, gunboat diplomacy and open warfare has not managed to diffuse the situation in this part of the world and many others for quite some time. The English, French, Russians and now American armies has not yet managed to quell the insurgence, so perhaps it is high time that a new approach is taken.
Extending a friendly hand and the desire to interact in a peaceful and tactful manner should never be misinterpreted as signs of weakness.
Ray |
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05/01/2009 12:08:23 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by karmat:
As far as the whole "MY president" thing, I heard/read many say exactly that about Bush (some in these very same forums). When it was pointed out to them that Bush was their president whether they "accepted" it or not, they replied with many of the same things AJ has.
Just depends on which side of the aisle you are on, apparently.
:( which is sad. |
Well, he's not my president... |
neither was bush, though, correct? ;) |
yup! |
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05/01/2009 02:38:53 PM · #91 |
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05/01/2009 03:00:55 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by ShutterPug:
Yes, the fly over was a moronic idea. And yes, the terrorists probably loved seeing how panicked people became. I feel so sorry for those who had to be subjected to this at the idea and planning of our own government. It is not a matter of people needing to move on and stop panicking. Many in NY suffered PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) and for them it is not such an easy task to just move on. I have no doubt for them, all the therapy they have gone through just took a huge step backwards. I am so happy I was not in NY when the terrorists flew in, or this time when our own government flew in. I only wish my fellow Americans who live in NY did not have to go through this. |
Exactly. I was speaking of the media. Why do they need to play it over and over? No doubt about the PTSD. How is it helping to harp on it and show it over and over and over again? The people that were there know what happened, as now most of the country does. Investigate, of course, or whatever needs to be done. I just don't see the point in the media hyping it up so much for so long.
That was all I was trying to say. Not some cry to the traumatized people to get over it. |
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05/01/2009 03:47:33 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by AJHopp:
As far as the statement I made -under his watch- people are afraid. Any time you cut defense spending (how much did it cost to fly the plane over NYC, anyway?) and kiss up to terrorists and tyrants warrants concern over this country's safety... |
Funny how some of these terrorists and tyrants were in a lot of instances put into power and funded by American interests in the first place, .... groups like Al Quaeda, and the Baathists.
What you view as "Kissing up to terrorists and tyrants" I perceived as a well planned and conceived approach to dealing with the enemy, which could eventually produce much greater results than what has transpired to date.
Let's face facts, gunboat diplomacy and open warfare has not managed to diffuse the situation in this part of the world and many others for quite some time. The English, French, Russians and now American armies has not yet managed to quell the insurgence, so perhaps it is high time that a new approach is taken.
Extending a friendly hand and the desire to interact in a peaceful and tactful manner should never be misinterpreted as signs of weakness.
Ray |
So I'm guessing you don't mind Obama releasing Chinese terrorists into the streets of Washington, D.C.? Just curious... |
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05/01/2009 03:57:08 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by AJHopp:
[So I'm guessing you don't mind Obama releasing Chinese terrorists into the streets of Washington, D.C.? Just curious... |
Do you mean these poor people who have been cleared of all terrorism charges?
Message edited by author 2009-05-01 15:57:17. |
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05/01/2009 04:07:01 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by eqsite:
Originally posted by AJHopp:
[So I'm guessing you don't mind Obama releasing Chinese terrorists into the streets of Washington, D.C.? Just curious... |
Do you mean these poor people who have been cleared of all terrorism charges? |
Yeah, them. "In their testimony before the Guantanamo tribunal, the Uighurs admitted that their purpose in going to Afghanistan was to receive military training to fight Chinese rule over Xinjiang. In captivity, the Uighurs filed suit to win their freedom. A U.S. district court in 2008 ordered their release.
Sabin Willett, a lawyer for some of the Uighurs in Guantanamo, argued that his clients should be set free immediately. But he said officials should make sure that the Uighurs have some measure of protection from people who might mistakenly consider them a threat. "I fear political opponents of the Obama administration will try to sow fear and paranoia about the Uighurs," Willett said. "Once America gets a look at our clients, all this mythology will fall away, and America will feel ashamed at the fact they were in prison so long."
U.S. officials have supported Chinese Uighurs who have sought asylum to remain here but are opposed to elements of the Uighur movement. There have been no allegations that the Guantanamo detainees have been affiliated with [those elements]. Willett, the detainees' attorney, said that of the five former Uighur prisoners released to Albania, four are still there and one has moved to Sweden. "They have been living peacefully for three years," Willett said."
Message edited by author 2009-05-01 16:07:17. |
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05/01/2009 04:08:56 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by eqsite:
Originally posted by AJHopp:
[So I'm guessing you don't mind Obama releasing Chinese terrorists into the streets of Washington, D.C.? Just curious... |
Do you mean these poor people who have been cleared of all terrorism charges? |
Yeah, them. "In their testimony before the Guantanamo tribunal, the Uighurs admitted that their purpose in going to Afghanistan was to receive military training to fight Chinese rule over Xinjiang. In captivity, the Uighurs filed suit to win their freedom. A U.S. district court in 2008 ordered their release.
Sabin Willett, a lawyer for some of the Uighurs in Guantanamo, argued that his clients should be set free immediately. But he said officials should make sure that the Uighurs have some measure of protection from people who might mistakenly consider them a threat. "I fear political opponents of the Obama administration will try to sow fear and paranoia about the Uighurs," Willett said. "Once America gets a look at our clients, all this mythology will fall away, and America will feel ashamed at the fact they were in prison so long."
U.S. officials have supported Chinese Uighurs who have sought asylum to remain here but are opposed to elements of the Uighur movement. There have been no allegations that the Guantanamo detainees have been affiliated with [those elements]. Willett, the detainees' attorney, said that of the five former Uighur prisoners released to Albania, four are still there and one has moved to Sweden. "They have been living peacefully for three years," Willett said." |
Oh, then by all means, off with their heads -- stupid obama! |
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05/01/2009 05:45:30 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by eqsite:
Originally posted by AJHopp:
[So I'm guessing you don't mind Obama releasing Chinese terrorists into the streets of Washington, D.C.? Just curious... |
Do you mean these poor people who have been cleared of all terrorism charges? |
Doesn't much sound like they're on "the streets of Washington, D.C." either.
The Uighurs
Five Uighursâethnic Chinese who practice Islamâwere extradited in May 2006 from Guantánamo Bay to Albania, where they were taken in as refugees.37 Since their releaseâ following three years of incarceration at Guantánamoâthe five men have lived at the same refugee camp in Tirana, Albania. According to the camp director, Hidajet Cera, âThey are the best guys in the place. They have never given us one minuteâs problem.â38 The Department of Defense has never recanted its assertion that the Uighurs had been improperly classified as âenemy combatants,â and has not accused the Uighurs of any wrongdoing since their rendition. Rather, by all accounts, the five Uighur men remain today at the Albanian refugee camp, where they have almost no contact with the outside world. They
have been neither âre-capturedâ nor âkilled.â
However, one of the Uighur men did write an opinion piece, published in the New York Times, in which he urged American lawmakers to protect habeas corpus.39 Perhaps this is an example of what the Department of Defense designates âanti-coalition militant activity.â
The United States has admitted in open court that none of the Uighers detained in Guantanamo are threats to national security, and they have been approved for release.
from this study, which is quite interesting. |
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05/01/2009 07:36:01 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by AJHopp:
Any time you cut defense spending (how much did it cost to fly the plane over NYC, anyway?) and kiss up to terrorists and tyrants warrants concern over this country's safety... |
How much is Obama cutting defense? I was under the impression this years defense spending was an increase over last years. I know that the assumption is that he will make cuts in the future, in hopes of bringing down our 4% of GDP spent on defense more in line with other countries which average 2.4% of GDP. I would be glad to hear he had actually decreased spending, but that hasn't been done yet. If you have a single article that claims he has lowered the overall spending on the military I would love to see it.
As far as a policy of distancing ourselves from "the axis of evil" types, interesting to note how well the old policy worked in Iran and North Korea. How much longer will we ignore Cuba? Ignoring the people you don't agree with rarely leads to anything but festering animosity, and who does that benefit?
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05/01/2009 09:32:28 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by AJHopp:
Any time you cut defense spending (how much did it cost to fly the plane over NYC, anyway?) and kiss up to terrorists and tyrants warrants concern over this country's safety... |
How much is Obama cutting defense? I was under the impression this years defense spending was an increase over last years. I know that the assumption is that he will make cuts in the future, in hopes of bringing down our 4% of GDP spent on defense more in line with other countries which average 2.4% of GDP. I would be glad to hear he had actually decreased spending, but that hasn't been done yet. If you have a single article that claims he has lowered the overall spending on the military I would love to see it.
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She has apparently OD'ed on Fox News Kool-Aid: Hannity falsely claimed Obama administration "taking steps to cut defense spending" |
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05/01/2009 10:29:49 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by AJHopp:
Any time you cut defense spending (how much did it cost to fly the plane over NYC, anyway?) and kiss up to terrorists and tyrants warrants concern over this country's safety... |
How much is Obama cutting defense? I was under the impression this years defense spending was an increase over last years. I know that the assumption is that he will make cuts in the future, in hopes of bringing down our 4% of GDP spent on defense more in line with other countries which average 2.4% of GDP. I would be glad to hear he had actually decreased spending, but that hasn't been done yet. If you have a single article that claims he has lowered the overall spending on the military I would love to see it.
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She has apparently OD'ed on Fox News Kool-Aid: Hannity falsely claimed Obama administration "taking steps to cut defense spending" |
Sorry. The only kool-aid going around is the tank you're drinking out of. No need to be rude, people. The only way you guys know how to debate is by demonizing and tearing people down. I may voice an opinion, but I am not rude and hateful.
All I can say is this - reality will hit soon enough, and it won't be pretty.
This thread really does need to die. My opinion is what it is, and you all have yours. Again, the beauty of what remains of America... |
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