Mexican Swine Flu - we're all gonna die!!!!!!!

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05/01/2009 12:39:02 PM · #301

Originally posted by kenskid:

Is there any certian way to tell if an "illegal alien" has been here for 20 years or 20 hours?

This is lunacy. Influenza doesn't care if you're legal or not, and at this point you're far more likely to catch the virus from someone already in the U.S.

karmat

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05/01/2009 12:40:20 PM · #302

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by kenskid:
Is there any certian way to tell if an "illegal alien" has been here for 20 years or 20 hours?

This is lunacy. Influenza doesn't care if you're legal or not, and at this point you're far more likely to catch the virus from someone already in the U.S.

what shannon said (which really scary because it seems I rarely agree with him on anything. . .:P)

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05/01/2009 12:41:17 PM · #303

Originally posted by kenskid:

One person has died? I heard on the news it was in the hundreds...I guess it is being overblown!

1 in the U.S., 9 in Mexico, however it's suspected of killing hundreds already. The difference is that the former numbers have been confirmed and the latter have not.

NicPhotosmith

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05/01/2009 12:42:25 PM · #304

Let me rephrase. Only one confirmed death of a mexican baby due to the virus. I read now though that it has risen to 12 but still.
Because itÂ´s jumping from human to human it evolves quicker and so they are just trying to catch up and find a vaccine which if THEY are as smart as they say they are, theyll find in no time. i might regret saying that

Message edited by author 2009-05-01 12:42:35.

Ken

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05/01/2009 12:43:15 PM · #305

Originally posted by NicPhotosmith:

IÂ´m actually posting this from Cancun where I would say less that .5% of people are wearing masks. ThereÂ´s hot girls in bikinis on the beach and the night clubs are open (not saying i like the nightlife here, i think its absolutely absurd, Im just flying out of here, hopefully, after cetral american trip)
I saw a photo on cnn of people lying on the beach with masks on. this is bull. 250,000 people die every year of normal flu and 7000 alone in mexico. One, one single infant has died of this swine flu.
I think it is beig blown way out of proportion. Just wash your hands and dont snezze on people for gods sake.

We don't need to overreact but we should be cautious. If everyone washed their hands and coughed away from people that would surely slow the spread, but not everyone's going to do that.

In the last 24 hrs the number of documented cases in the US went up by 36%. Extrapolate that over a few weeks and then it's something to get excited about.

05/01/2009 12:43:31 PM · #306

Originally posted by karmat:

...it seems I rarely agree with him on anything. . .:P)

We probably agree more than we disagree, so you're wrong abou... DOH!

05/01/2009 12:44:51 PM · #307

So one person from Mexico died here in the US..according to news...and 9 people died in Mexico? Is that right? Why has this not killed anyone else ? Seems strange or maybe it has but we don't know yet?

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by kenskid:
One person has died? I heard on the news it was in the hundreds...I guess it is being overblown!

1 in the U.S., 9 in Mexico, however it's suspected of killing hundreds already. The difference is that the former numbers have been confirmed and the latter have not.

05/01/2009 12:47:49 PM · #308

Was Biden right yesterday? Is it easier to catch the virus in a subway or aircraft than in an "open" area?

05/01/2009 12:49:13 PM · #309

Originally posted by kenskid:

Ok...lets just take the Savage guy who said, â��No contact anywhere with an illegal alien!â�� conservative talk show host Michael Savage advised his U.S. listeners this week on how to avoid the swine flu.

Is there any certian way to tell if an "illegal alien" has been here for 20 years or 20 hours?

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Originally posted by kenskid:
The article talks about talk radio and forums spreading the "stay away from Mexican" speil...

However, isn't the official word out of Washington "don't go to Mexico unless necessary"?
Isn't that the same as saying "stay away from immigrant Mexican's here in the US?

How is it remotely the same? Somebody who's been in the US for 20 years is suddenly a threat for contagion just because of the country they originally came from?? wtf....

And is there any way to tell if that white guy behind you in the supermarket line, who just happened to cough all over you, has just returned from a vacation south of the border? Hell, why not just lock your doors and avoid everyone? It would make far more sense than targetting an entire ethnic group.

05/01/2009 12:50:19 PM · #310

Originally posted by kenskid:

Was Biden right yesterday? Is it easier to catch the virus in a subway or aircraft than in an "open" area?

It makes sense that any confined space with lots of bodies sharing air would pose a higher risk than being in the great outdoors alone.

Look at it this way;
Take a handful of houseflies. Release one in a crowded subway car, one in a full plane, one in a classroom, one in an average shopping mall and one in a public park. Which locations would have the greatest odds of the fly landing on a person?

Message edited by author 2009-05-01 12:54:50.

05/01/2009 12:50:49 PM · #311

Relax man...I'm just discussing....now you have a white dude coughing on me...

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Originally posted by kenskid:
Ok...lets just take the Savage guy who said, â��No contact anywhere with an illegal alien!â�� conservative talk show host Michael Savage advised his U.S. listeners this week on how to avoid the swine flu.

Is there any certian way to tell if an "illegal alien" has been here for 20 years or 20 hours?

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Originally posted by kenskid:
The article talks about talk radio and forums spreading the "stay away from Mexican" speil...

However, isn't the official word out of Washington "don't go to Mexico unless necessary"?
Isn't that the same as saying "stay away from immigrant Mexican's here in the US?

How is it remotely the same? Somebody who's been in the US for 20 years is suddenly a threat for contagion just because of the country they originally came from?? wtf....

And is there any way to tell if that white guy behind you in the supermarket line, who just happened to cough all over you, has just returned from a vacation south of the border? Hell, why not just lock your doors and avoid everyone? It would make far more sense than targetting an entire ethnic group.

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05/01/2009 12:50:52 PM · #312

Originally posted by kenskid:

So one person from Mexico died here in the US..according to news...and 9 people died in Mexico? Is that right?

No. Pay attention: hundreds have died, but only one of those cases in the U.S. and 9 or so in Mexico have so far been confirmed to be from Swine Flu. Maybe that'll be the total extent of it, or maybe further tests will show that many more earlier deaths were actually attributed to H1N1. Heck, we might even discover that the virus first appeared in another country last year and they just thought it was "regular" flu.

Ken

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05/01/2009 12:52:14 PM · #313

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by kenskid:
So one person from Mexico died here in the US..according to news...and 9 people died in Mexico? Is that right?

No. Pay attention: hundreds have died, but only one of those cases in the U.S. and 9 or so in Mexico have so far been confirmed to be from Swine Flu. Maybe that'll be the total extent of it, or maybe further tests will show that many more earlier deaths were actually attributed to H1N1. Heck, we might even discover that the virus first appeared in another country last year and they just thought it was "regular" flu.

And wouldn't it be ironic if it originated here and then went to Mexico...

05/01/2009 12:52:26 PM · #314

Amazing...I actually felt he was right on target...then the "fix" started coming in from other departments....LOL..the one time me and Biden agree and it is taken away from him.

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Originally posted by kenskid:
Was Biden right yesterday? Is it easier to catch the virus in a subway or aircraft than in an "open" area?

It makes sense that any confined space with lots of bodies sharing air would pose a higher risk than being in the great outdoors alone.

05/01/2009 12:54:01 PM · #315

I got the quote from you in a previous post. I thought I was paying attention.

Originally posted by scalvert:

05/01/2009 12:56:14 PM · #316

Originally posted by kenskid:

Relax man...I'm just discussing....now you have a white dude coughing on me...

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Originally posted by kenskid:
Ok...lets just take the Savage guy who said, â��No contact anywhere with an illegal alien!â�� conservative talk show host Michael Savage advised his U.S. listeners this week on how to avoid the swine flu.

Is there any certian way to tell if an "illegal alien" has been here for 20 years or 20 hours?

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Originally posted by kenskid:
The article talks about talk radio and forums spreading the "stay away from Mexican" speil...

However, isn't the official word out of Washington "don't go to Mexico unless necessary"?
Isn't that the same as saying "stay away from immigrant Mexican's here in the US?

How is it remotely the same? Somebody who's been in the US for 20 years is suddenly a threat for contagion just because of the country they originally came from?? wtf....

And is there any way to tell if that white guy behind you in the supermarket line, who just happened to cough all over you, has just returned from a vacation south of the border? Hell, why not just lock your doors and avoid everyone? It would make far more sense than targetting an entire ethnic group.

I'm not a man, thank goodness :)

05/01/2009 12:59:43 PM · #317

Originally posted by kenskid:

I got the quote from you in a previous post. I thought I was paying attention.

Then you failed to read beyond the first seven words.

DrAchoo

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05/01/2009 01:08:43 PM · #318

The advice, while difficult to impliment, is not completely crazy. There is at least a logical process behind it. Truth is, the closer you are to the American/Mexican border, the more likely your exposure, although air travel also contributes. With that in mind, you probably raise your risk meeting someone who has just come from Mexico (your "illegal alien") than meeting someone who has just come from Canada. How much do you raise your risk? Probably not a ton, but it does go up.

So while I can't agree that the advice is practical and should be followed, I also think some of the backlash here is purely because it's coming from a right-wing nutjob.

Joe Biden likely gave some decent advice, but because it can lead to panic if it's viewed as the policy of our leaders he was slapped down. That's Joe. I think sometimes he just speaks his heart and damn the politics and position. If I were in New York and things started spreading, the Subway would be the first place I'd avoid and I'd recommend my family avoid it as well.

Message edited by author 2009-05-01 13:08:59.

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05/01/2009 01:14:27 PM · #319

I just wish people would behave responsibly, with this and any illness. If you're sick, stay home. If you're an employer, don't hassle your staff for staying home. If you're not sick, don't take advantage of your employer by lying and staying home. If your kids are sick, don't send them to school. I know this won't stop this flu, since it's contagious before symptoms start but it might slow the spread and give needed time for coming up with vaccines and strategies for dealing with it.

K3Master

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05/01/2009 01:15:19 PM · #320

Originally posted by BeeCee:

Wait. You can't advocate common sense. It's a myth!

Bear_Music

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05/01/2009 01:15:26 PM · #321

Originally posted by dknourek:

yea well that may be the story but nobody had resorted to name calling... even with a smiley its still kinda nasty IMO

I'm sorry, Dave, what more do you want from me? A penance appended to my apology?

R.

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05/01/2009 01:16:21 PM · #322

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Wait. You can't advocate common sense. It's a myth!

Sorry, my bad. Must have been a blonde moment :)

K3Master

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05/01/2009 01:16:42 PM · #323

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by dknourek:
yea well that may be the story but nobody had resorted to name calling... even with a smiley its still kinda nasty IMO

I'm sorry, Dave, what more do you want from me? A penance appended to my apology?

R.

Actually (and I know you might glare at me ferociously for saying so), a simple "You're right, that was wrong of me, I'm sorry" would have done wonders :)

ETA: Yes, I know you did say "sorry", but what I mean is, that when you follow it up with an excuse, it tends to seem less sincere. Is what I'm getting at. I think.

Maybe.

Commence glaring ferociously.

Message edited by author 2009-05-01 13:20:56.

05/01/2009 01:17:15 PM · #324

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Yes, please. Your penance is to come and cook me one of those dinners I've heard so much about :)