Mexican Swine Flu - we're all gonna die!!!!!!!

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04/30/2009 05:18:36 PM · #226

it was a theory - not a truth. so take your rock, and well scare a tiger with it. that would prove or dis-prove your non-point.

Originally posted by steefmcbeef:

i've never had a flu shot and i've never had the flu either. my anecdotal evidence sort of supports yours. then again, i have a rock that supposedly scares away tigers and i've never been bitten by a tiger ;)

Kelli

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04/30/2009 05:23:45 PM · #227

Originally posted by soup:

i've had 5 or more deer ticks on me at a single time. i didn't get sick. could your husband be more susceptible to infection because of past antiobiotic use ? just a question. not a jab.

That's just silly. It all depends on what the tick has been biting before it bit you! If it had bitten an infected animal, it would have passed on whatever it was infected with to you. I've also been bitten by ticks many times and never had rocky mountain spotted fever, but I've never been in an area where the ticks would pick that up. Many people in my area have been infected with lymes disease including my mother (and we were both bit on the same day), but I didn't get that either. Luck of the draw.

scalvert

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04/30/2009 05:27:00 PM · #228

Originally posted by soup:

farm animals are given antibiotics when they aren't sick. why ? so they don't get sick... what comes of that ? well swine flu for one IMO...

Swine flu existed before antibiotics were even discovered.

Originally posted by soup:

i've had 5 or more deer ticks on me at a single time. i didn't get sick. could your husband be more susceptible to infection because of past antiobiotic use ? just a question. not a jab.

Not all ticks are infected, and not all infected ticks transmit disease.

04/30/2009 05:35:02 PM · #229

did pre-antibiotic swine flu spread from human to human ?

was it a mix of human, avian, and swine flu ?

i know not all deer ticks are infected. i've had over 30+ of them bite into me over the course of my life - i grew up 10 miles from where the name of the virus they potentially spread was named after.

my high school trig teachers face was half paralyzed because when he got lyme disease - they didn't know what the hell it was.

please don't take my comments and twist them into some sort of joke. well, do so if you'd like. but, i'm trying to ask serious questions.

Originally posted by scalvert:

Swine flu existed before antibiotics were even discovered.

Originally posted by soup:

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i've had 5 or more deer ticks on me at a single time. i didn't get sick. could your husband be more susceptible to infection because of past antiobiotic use ? just a question. not a jab.

Not all ticks are infected, and not all infected ticks transmit disease.

Message edited by author 2009-04-30 17:35:25.

scalvert

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04/30/2009 05:44:03 PM · #230

Originally posted by soup:

did pre-antibiotic swine flu spread from human to human ?...

Did pre-Diet Coke swine flu spread from human to human? What about pre-Britney Spears swine flu? As pointed out repeatedly, antibiotics have nothing to do with the flu... pre, post or otherwise.

04/30/2009 05:57:09 PM · #231

Originally posted by soup:

did pre-antibiotic swine flu spread from human to human ?

If you take an anti-biotic for the flu it wont do anything. Antibiotics work on bacteria, the flu is a virus. Viruses mutate and jump from species to species rarely, but it has been going on for ever. So while there are a lot of good reasons to cut down on antibiotics in animal husbandry, it has no effect on the flu.

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04/30/2009 06:01:57 PM · #232

it's a more general statement about how we use vaccines and antibiotics. i keep ommiting or switching antibiotic for vaccine for some reason. i guess i'm a moron...

my question to vawendy WAS in regards to anitbiotic use. and had nothing to do with any sort of flu...

are pigs vaccinated against swine flu like us measely humans?

i think they are.

Originally posted by scalvert:

Did pre-Diet Coke swine flu spread from human to human? What about pre-Britney Spears swine flu? As pointed out repeatedly, antibiotics have nothing to do with the flu... pre, post or otherwise.

GeneralE

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04/30/2009 06:03:39 PM · #233

Originally posted by soup:

i know not all deer ticks are infected. i've had over 30+ of them bite into me over the course of my life - i grew up 10 miles from where the name of the virus they potentially spread was named after.

I think most of the tick-borne diseases are Rickettsial; they are not viruses, but not quite bacteria either.

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04/30/2009 06:07:55 PM · #234

OKay so we have established that ;

1. do not go naked in the wild cos you will get everything bar swine flu

2. don't breath when you go out cos you will catch swine flu

3. Slippy is going to eat all our brains

4. my son pee'd on my head last night thinking he was in the bathroom.

5. 4. had nothing to do with any of this, but I am still traumatized by it

6. Anti biotics work only on the bad stuff, not the virus bad stuff

7. I stocked up on canned food

8. I may still cancel my trek around Mexico and go to Canada, its too friggin cold for anything to survive up there, bar Slippy

Kelli

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04/30/2009 06:16:20 PM · #235

Originally posted by JulietNN:

4. my son pee'd on my head last night thinking he was in the bathroom.

5. 4. had nothing to do with any of this, but I am still traumatized by it

ROFL! Why'd you have your head in the toilet?

Bear_Music

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04/30/2009 06:17:11 PM · #236

Originally posted by JulietNN:

my son pee'd on my head last night thinking he was in the bathroom.

Are you SERIOUS? Off with his head! He's a Slippy manquÃ©e!

R.

04/30/2009 06:19:03 PM · #237

Originally posted by soup:

are pigs vaccinated against swine flu like us measely humans?

i think they are.

I have little experience with raising pigs, but I know that with horses they don't make panel flu shots like they do for humans. Guessing what influenza may be coming next year and inoculating a herd is just too expensive. Every few years a killer equine influenza will break out somewhere and there is a scramble to get enough serum out to immunize against that one strain, but horses ( or pigs for that matter) don't move around enough to spread the disease as fast as humans do.

04/30/2009 06:21:01 PM · #238

Originally posted by JulietNN:

8. I may still cancel my trek around Mexico and go to Canada, its too friggin cold for anything to survive up there, bar Slippy

Given that Slippy has entered the zombie brain eating phase, is he still classified as "alive"?

04/30/2009 06:28:06 PM · #239

snipped from this article... is it reputable - i don't know - but it's not where my original theory stemmed from...

//www.scienceprogress.org/2009/04/flu-farms/

In 1988, 2,400 pigs in a North Carolina operation were sickened by a strain of swine flu not seen before.[9] Since that time numerous new flu viruses have emerged and have swept across pig operations throughout North America. WHO and other organizations cite intensive pig farming and other animal factory operations as a significant contributing factor to zoonotic pathogens.[10] Because of the high infectious disease rates in these operations, farm animals are given a constant influx of antibiotics; half of all U.S. antibiotics are given to farm animals.[11] This inundation of medicine helps select for drug-resistant bacteria, which in turn could be transmitted to humans. In addition, vaccination for farm animals is now common. It is routine to vaccinate pigs against swine flu, but rather then ameliorating the problem, vaccinations may actually exacerbate the problem by selecting for new, vaccine-resistant viruses.[12] Vaccinating farm animals may not be an effective preventive measure.

WE don't vaccinate horses because WE don't eat them... !@

Message edited by author 2009-04-30 18:31:23.

04/30/2009 06:39:01 PM · #240

In California we passed a proposition to limit factory farming last year, hopefully it will become a standard, rather than be seen as some flaky left coast navel gazing. Factory farming is bad on a whole lot of levels, and the need to medicate the snot out of them is a logical result of penning range animals so tightly.

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04/30/2009 06:43:10 PM · #241

Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by JulietNN:

4. my son pee'd on my head last night thinking he was in the bathroom.

5. 4. had nothing to do with any of this, but I am still traumatized by it

ROFL! Why'd you have your head in the toilet?

I wasn't, I was n bed, he was sleeping next to me. Next thing I knew, I was woken by , well, umm, he was standing straight up too

scalvert

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04/30/2009 06:46:16 PM · #242

Originally posted by soup:

WE don't vaccinate horses because WE don't eat them... !@

Eating pork won't give you flu either. We don't vaccinate horses because it's not economically feasible. As Brennan suggested, vaccinations aren't really the problem (otherwise vaccinating people would be even worse). Viruses will mutate whether you vaccinate or not. The issue is that having so many animals (or people) in such close proximity encourages the transmission of anything that does appear. Crowded farms without vaccinations isn't exactly a solution to curbing flu.

Steef

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04/30/2009 06:46:20 PM · #243

Originally posted by JulietNN:

Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by JulietNN:

4. my son pee'd on my head last night thinking he was in the bathroom.

5. 4. had nothing to do with any of this, but I am still traumatized by it

ROFL! Why'd you have your head in the toilet?

I wasn't, I was n bed, he was sleeping next to me. Next thing I knew, I was woken by , well, umm, he was standing straight up too

the sad thing is i have friends in their 20s who still do this.. just um, generally under the influence of booze

Strikeslip

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04/30/2009 07:29:27 PM · #244

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

Originally posted by JulietNN:

8. I may still cancel my trek around Mexico and go to Canada, its too friggin cold for anything to survive up there, bar Slippy

Given that Slippy has entered the zombie brain eating phase, is he still classified as "alive"?

The "living dead." ;-D

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04/30/2009 07:50:16 PM · #245

I've been a vegetarian now for around 3 years although I do eat fish often, especially sushi and I still eat eggs. I remembered reading something about Mad Cow problems in Europe and I remember not enjoying meat anymore, sort of had an impulse to stop eating red meat and poultry and really not knowing why. I am an animal lover for one thing, but not sure that is why I suddenly found it repulsive to eat meat. I think I realized meat isn't essential in my diet and I have a wide variety of choices in a supermarket. We don't depend on the forests to sustain us anymore, hunting is only a sport now, and not essential to our survival. Some say we need the "carnitene" in meats and its healthy for us, but we could find carnitene in green tea! and loads of vitamin C too, especially fresh tea you brew yourself.

Message edited by author 2009-04-30 19:50:59.

DrAchoo

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04/30/2009 07:54:03 PM · #246

Originally posted by RulerZigzag:

If you eat a lot of sushi you may want to consider your mercury exposure...

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04/30/2009 08:06:01 PM · #247

Pork is so on sale right now. 50c a pound.

I am shocked that people think they can catch flu from a pork chop.

Brainless, ohohohoh that means Slippy all ready ate their brains.

PhotoDave

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04/30/2009 08:07:59 PM · #248

Originally posted by JulietNN:

Pork is so on sale right now. 50c a pound.

I am shocked that people think they can catch flu from a pork chop.

Brainless, ohohohoh that means Slippy all ready ate their brains.

Im surprised they managed to restock so quickly after your last run on pork :P