Can you protest a disqualification?

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 50mm f/1.4G

04/20/2009 08:40:59 PM · #151

There are 3 posts replying to my last example...one by Mark-A. All 3 are intelligent responses.

Why can't I keep posting about the rule? It is the rule that led to the INCONSISTENT results you say I SHOULD be talking about.

I'll keep posting replys to comments in any thread that has been or is currently being discussed.

I will reply WITHOUT insulting anyone...as I was insulted with the 98% remark. If you feel that I am breaking a DP Challenge rule, show me the rule that pertains to me or KICK ME OFF.

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by kenskid:
Why would you add the 98% remark to your reply.

Because you're apparently the only one still questioning the rule itself and it doesn't even apply to you. The rest have moved on to suggesting ways to clarify the obviously inconsistent results (not even the rule itself, which already says you can only desaturate objects).

Nikon D800

04/20/2009 08:47:36 PM · #152

I don't think its fair to leave Ken out of the discussion just b/c he is not a paying member, there could be a ton of reasons why he still has a stake in its outcome. Having said that, I don't think you should be so insulted or irritated by the comment, just a discussion here.

mchalmers

Nikon D90

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

04/20/2009 08:53:41 PM · #153

This thread now resembles a partially desaturated photo of a train wreck.

04/20/2009 08:54:32 PM · #154

Originally posted by mchalmers:

This thread now resembles a partially desaturated photo of a train wreck.

hahahahahahahaha

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/20/2009 08:55:45 PM · #155

But does the desat paint in a shape that was not in the original?

Originally posted by mchalmers:

This thread now resembles a partially desaturated photo of a train wreck.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

04/20/2009 08:58:56 PM · #156

My comment was snide, but frankly I think ken is being obtuse in his lack of understanding of what constitutes an already existing shape. It all makes perfect sense as soon as you realize the Painter shot and the Sky Blue shot have had an unbalanced application of the rules. BOTH should have been DQ'd under the rule set (this or the last).

04/20/2009 08:59:11 PM · #157

Originally posted by kenskid:

But does the desat paint in a shape that was not in the original?

Originally posted by mchalmers:
This thread now resembles a partially desaturated photo of a train wreck.

It does if the desat makes grey lines in grass that look like train tracks where there are no train tracks...

... but doesn't if there ARE train tracks and the train tracks are desaturated.

See the difference?

04/20/2009 09:00:40 PM · #158

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Agreed, but the painter is 2 years old, and I believe that the site is perfectly within reason to apply a statute of limitations on certain things, and at its discretion.

04/20/2009 09:03:32 PM · #159

And I don't think either should be a DQ....so the discussion continues.

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/20/2009 09:04:03 PM · #160

No...I don't even know what you just said.

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by kenskid:
But does the desat paint in a shape that was not in the original?

Originally posted by mchalmers:
This thread now resembles a partially desaturated photo of a train wreck.

It does if the desat makes grey lines in grass that look like train tracks where there are no train tracks...

... but doesn't if there ARE train tracks and the train tracks are desaturated.

See the difference?

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

04/20/2009 09:15:10 PM · #161

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
My comment was snide, but frankly I think ken is being obtuse in his lack of understanding of what constitutes an already existing shape. It all makes perfect sense as soon as you realize the Painter shot and the Sky Blue shot have had an unbalanced application of the rules. BOTH should have been DQ'd under the rule set (this or the last).

Agreed, but the painter is 2 years old, and I believe that the site is perfectly within reason to apply a statute of limitations on certain things, and at its discretion.

I agree, but at the least I feel really, really sorry for the sap who joins DPC in two months, has no idea about this conversation and runs across that Painter ribbon and thinks, "hey, awesome idea!".

04/20/2009 09:24:36 PM · #162

...and it happens all the time.

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I agree, but at the least I feel really, really sorry for the sap who joins DPC in two months, has no idea about this conversation and runs across that Painter ribbon and thinks, "hey, awesome idea!".

04/20/2009 09:24:47 PM · #163

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
My comment was snide, but frankly I think ken is being obtuse in his lack of understanding of what constitutes an already existing shape. It all makes perfect sense as soon as you realize the Painter shot and the Sky Blue shot have had an unbalanced application of the rules. BOTH should have been DQ'd under the rule set (this or the last).

Agreed, but the painter is 2 years old, and I believe that the site is perfectly within reason to apply a statute of limitations on certain things, and at its discretion.

I agree, but at the least I feel really, really sorry for the sap who joins DPC in two months, has no idea about this conversation and runs across that Painter ribbon and thinks, "hey, awesome idea!".

Well, sure, and I do think that discussion COULD be taken down the road for decent ideas of how to lessen this, but I personally don't really have any at the moment.

04/20/2009 09:25:01 PM · #164

Originally posted by kenskid:

No...I don't even know what you just said.

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by kenskid:
But does the desat paint in a shape that was not in the original?

Originally posted by mchalmers:
This thread now resembles a partially desaturated photo of a train wreck.

It does if the desat makes grey lines in grass that look like train tracks where there are no train tracks...

... but doesn't if there ARE train tracks and the train tracks are desaturated.

See the difference?

Which pretty much explains everything :)

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 28-300mm f3.5-5.6G ED VR

04/20/2009 09:50:36 PM · #165

It does if the desat makes grey lines in grass that look like train tracks where there are no train tracks...?!??!?

Oh...sorry...that makes perfect sense... :0

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by kenskid:
No...I don't even know what you just said.

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by kenskid:
But does the desat paint in a shape that was not in the original?

Originally posted by mchalmers:
This thread now resembles a partially desaturated photo of a train wreck.

It does if the desat makes grey lines in grass that look like train tracks where there are no train tracks...

... but doesn't if there ARE train tracks and the train tracks are desaturated.

See the difference?

Which pretty much explains everything :)

NikonJeb

Nikon D850

04/20/2009 10:10:51 PM · #166

What has to be taken into consideration is that there are a sh*tload of rules and regulations to help make a level playing field, and what happens is that someone who doesn't know gets bagged in a learning curve.

A lot of people learn what not to do from one person's trip through the limelight, and since we're not talking about the loss of family and fortune, what's the big deal?

It's virtually impossible for newbies not to make mistakes......I didn't even know the first thing about how to validate when I got my first ribbon and I thought I was going to be DQed 'cause I didn't have the foggiest idea how to even find my original, much less submit it for review.

I'm completely stunned by how much I didn't know for almost a year, and the things that I learn still regularly astonishes me.

A ruling is a ruling; it makes more sense to get the maximum amount of learning what, where, when, why, and how you erred than to try to figure out how to slot it into a nook where it squeaks through.

At this point, having had the ruling, will it make any difference to have it overturned? Isn't it enough to work with so that the error, or skating that close to the edge with it, won't happen again and others can learn as well?

Isn't this first and foremost how to better ourselves and the process of doing it?

SC is human, too, and regardless of whether or not you agree with the decision, there are enough opinions proffered in the decision process that a quorum was reached, and it didn't fly.

It's not a terrible, awful thing, it was a shame, and you'll probably be much better remembered than if you'd gotten 11th place, and you've surely gotten one heck of a lot of learning in a short amount of time.

I hope you can see the silver lining in this as a learning experience and grow stronger and smarter using this knowledge rather than having it ruin the day.

Just one man's opinion offered up for review.

Oh.....nice image, too!

delin

Canon EOS-40D

04/20/2009 10:19:12 PM · #167

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Sure, I agree with what you're saying. I said my peace awhile ago, I don't feel like I'm perpetuating this. And yeah, my profile views are through the roof. This is way better than getting 11th!

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/28/2009 05:39:10 PM · #168

anyone tell me what the average length of time it takes for them to make a desicion on wether or not your submission should be disqualified

jeger

Canon EOS-5D

04/28/2009 05:48:43 PM · #169

Originally posted by Pikkel:

anyone tell me what the average length of time it takes for them to make a desicion on wether or not your submission should be disqualified

Anywhere from a day to a week. It's usually a few days, so don't get worried about it.

04/28/2009 06:33:46 PM · #170

well it is frustrating since I kept reading all the criteria everytime I did somethin to the image to make sure I was doin nothing wrong..........*sigh* I just want to know whether or not I'm being ousted or not and if so why so I don't frikken make that mistake again but I can't fathom what they are seeing that caused issues ugh!!!!!
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04/29/2009 10:10:41 AM · #171

not posting a protest to my current disqualification because my ignorance was the cause of it and this too I suppose teaches me but I'm confused on the penelity.....this disqualification is the first one I encountered in advanced editing but previously in my beginning days I had a disqualification for I can't even remeber what I did wrong in that one and I believe it was basic editing.....any how it was like 20 challenges ago that I'd entered....so does that mean the other photo I submitted yesterday won't count and that I can't enter the free study for April as well as the latest challenges the light and whatever it is (not that I'm about to attempt that...) I swear from now on I'm not attempting any editing shoot and post and damn the scores......not like that has ever been an issue anyhow lol =0p