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01/13/2004 05:12:48 PM · #1
The rules state that any modification done inside the camera is viable for entry. Does this include 2 in 1 compositions that are availible in some cameras (all you other olympus c4000z owners- vouch for me on this!)? Need to know before I make my submission to the point of view challenge!

Cheers,
Drew
01/13/2004 05:15:02 PM · #2
Yes. It's been done. Just keep your original in case of DQ request and check your cameras' date.
01/13/2004 05:15:08 PM · #3
It is legal.
01/13/2004 05:16:34 PM · #4
Merci beaucoup!
01/13/2004 05:17:07 PM · #5
hmmm... that's interesting. So you can take two shots & stich em together as long as it's done within the camera?

Man, I wish I knoew that for some past challenges. Iwas under the impression that this was not allowed bc it would use more than one shot. Man, I suck!
01/13/2004 05:25:11 PM · #6
This has been done before in a couple challenges - Scents and Aroma's:

I think there was one more but I can't find it now.
01/13/2004 05:26:57 PM · #7
You might want to request an admin note when you submit it -- you'll most likely wind up with DQ requests within minutes of the challenge being posted.
01/13/2004 05:27:32 PM · #8
The Oreo cookie one.
01/13/2004 05:29:58 PM · #9
It is legal. Whether or not it is within the spirit of the rules, I dunno. In the past when we have had these, there are always a ton of dq requests, so be prepared to submit your original with exif intact.
01/13/2004 05:34:08 PM · #10
The line in the rules that makes such submission legal is, "Any modification done inside the digital camera itself is considered acceptable for challenge submission."

Drew
01/13/2004 05:36:17 PM · #11
Wow, I never knew my camera can make such stuff. :-) I go and try it tomorrow. :-)
01/13/2004 05:43:26 PM · #12
You might want to consider the score the Scents one got before submitting. Either half of that would have probably done at least over a 5.

(Not condoning, excusing, agreeing with, or otherwise passing judgement on either side the issue. Just an observation....)
01/13/2004 05:48:05 PM · #13
Ditto all of the above about it being legal - the rules say IN-CAMERA stuff is OK. I was the one who submitted the the 2 recent ones (Oreo cookies, which admittedly sucked; and the diverging scents, pictured above).

DO request the admin note, if you submit.

My recommendation is DON'T do it for the challenges, if you care about your score. Look at the scores for my scents photo - I feel like I got killed because people couldn't understand how I didn't cheat (contrary to how the rules tell one to vote). I mean, I KNEW it wasn't a masterpiece, or likely to be in the top 30%, but to get more 1/2/3's total than 4's or 5's or 6/7/8/9/10's, really convinced me to take such pictures for myself & family, and leave them out of the challenges.
01/13/2004 05:52:22 PM · #14
That's interesting. I wonder if I can stich a panorama together that would be legal for DPC, although they look crappy so small & ultimately get scored down.
Learning new stuff here everyday! Thanks good people!
01/13/2004 06:25:34 PM · #15
Originally posted by ScottK:

You might want to consider the score the Scents one got before submitting. Either half of that would have probably done at least over a 5.


Scott - thank you for that vote of confidence. I was disappointed at the overall score.
01/13/2004 06:35:18 PM · #16
Originally posted by Rooster:

That's interesting. I wonder if I can stich a panorama together that would be legal for DPC, although they look crappy so small & ultimately get scored down.
Learning new stuff here everyday! Thanks good people!


Unless the stitch happens in the camera, the answer would be no. Even though you take panorama shots with a special mode on the camera, the camera still generates individual photos, and they need to be put together using software outside the camera. So that would make them illegal. (Unless there's a camera that does this internally?)
01/13/2004 06:38:14 PM · #17
Originally posted by wkmen:

Scott - thank you for that vote of confidence. I was disappointed at the overall score.


No problem. :)
01/13/2004 06:46:32 PM · #18
Originally posted by wkmen:

Ditto all of the above about it being legal - the rules say IN-CAMERA stuff is OK. I was the one who submitted the the 2 recent ones (Oreo cookies, which admittedly sucked; and the diverging scents, pictured above).

DO request the admin note, if you submit.

My recommendation is DON'T do it for the challenges, if you care about your score. Look at the scores for my scents photo - I feel like I got killed because people couldn't understand how I didn't cheat (contrary to how the rules tell one to vote). I mean, I KNEW it wasn't a masterpiece, or likely to be in the top 30%, but to get more 1/2/3's total than 4's or 5's or 6/7/8/9/10's, really convinced me to take such pictures for myself & family, and leave them out of the challenges.

It is possible to score well with a multi-exposure image

01/13/2004 06:48:08 PM · #19
This kind of shot from some Sony cameras would also be legal.
01/13/2004 08:57:53 PM · #20
Originally posted by drewmedia:

The line in the rules that makes such submission legal is, "Any modification done inside the digital camera itself is considered acceptable for challenge submission."
Drew


And, To Quote From The ADVANCED EDITING RULES.......

"To summarize, here are the two important editing restrictions that are still in effect:
..............................................
Single photo. No multi-image compositions. Your submitted entry must come from a single photograph taken with your digital camera."


Appears to me to be illegal.

01/13/2004 09:02:22 PM · #21
Originally posted by David Ey:

Originally posted by drewmedia:

The line in the rules that makes such submission legal is, "Any modification done inside the digital camera itself is considered acceptable for challenge submission."
Drew


And, To Quote From The ADVANCED EDITING RULES.......

"To summarize, here are the two important editing restrictions that are still in effect:
..............................................
Single photo. No multi-image compositions. Your submitted entry must come from a single photograph taken with your digital camera."


Appears to me to be illegal.

In-camera multiple exposures are saved as a single file, which is what makes it still legal. It is analogous to multiple exposures to a single frame of film ... that would still be "one" picture for our purposes, and such an image can be verified by submission of a single file.
01/13/2004 09:23:31 PM · #22
Originally posted by robsmith:

It is possible to score well with a multi-exposure image


I don't think it was multi-exposure that was the problem, it was the two separate pictures stuck side-by-side that didn't do well.
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