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 03/04/2009 10:18:41 PM · #801
Three years earlier - the writers of LOST were geniuses
Three years later - they've gone completely round the bend
03/06/2009 02:45:36 PM · #802
Originally posted by shamrock:
Three years earlier - the writers of LOST were geniuses
Three years later - they've gone completely round the bend


LOL you are so right. But I will not give up :)
 03/06/2009 03:03:42 PM · #803
I think Kate is pregnant with Jack's baby, and she has an idea about it. Whoever came and saw her and convinced her to get on the flight probably made a deal or something that if she did not take Aaron then she must closely try to recreate circumstances like the original flight. Since Claire was pregnant that would be her contribution. Who do you think came and saw Hurley and Kate? It wasn't Ben. What time do you think Ben and Locke are in? It doesn't seem to be the same time as those in 1974. Caesar a spy for Widmore? Who is less evil, Ben or Widmore, they both lie and kill.
 03/06/2009 03:16:50 PM · #804
hmmmm.....I hadn't thought about Kate being pregnant...and as far as the same circumstances...this would also be Jack's Father's grandchild.....same as Aaron.
 03/19/2009 03:39:14 PM · #805
where is everyone???
didn't this week have the best one-liners just before commercial breaks...

"umm.....what?'
 03/19/2009 08:54:02 PM · #806
This week was great I really enjoy when Sun knocked Ben out. I'm wondering what time frame Sun is in. Keeps getting better and better.
 03/26/2009 02:27:24 AM · #807
HOLY CRAP, am I the only one still watching this? Tonite's episode was awesome!!! I won't give anything away if you haven't seen it yet, but it was GREAT!
 03/26/2009 09:47:46 AM · #808
Yeah, but Locke was shot and left for dead and wasn't dead.
and then he died on the mainland and was alive after the Ajira crash.
The scientist guy (forget his name) said at one point not to change/interfere with the past...then when they quit time skipping he said go ahead.
So what's going on now?

A)this is as it really was...meaning, Ben knew the Oceanic survivors in today's time because he met them as a kid (or knew them to see them - something like that, i mean, how much would you remember from 30 years ago?) So ben survives and kills everyone, including the oceanic 6, scientists, sawyer and juliette, etc. But that's still a ways away - the Swan has not been built as of last night's episode.

b)this is a parallel 'time' or universe (doubtful as what fun would that be?)

c) there is another time jump yet to come

Still lots of unanswered questions (of course!) Like Richard - he's an adult the whole time, has seen Locke come and go, sawyer come and go...so when/if Sayid meets up with Richard, then what?

Anyone remember how old Ben was when he killed all the Dharma folks?

Message edited by author 2009-03-26 10:04:15.
 03/26/2009 09:56:01 AM · #809
Originally posted by icu1965:
HOLY CRAP, am I the only one still watching this? Tonite's episode was awesome!!! I won't give anything away if you haven't seen it yet, but it was GREAT!


FWIW you can give it all away that's why it says *WARNING - SPOILERS* in the topic. Those that do watch the show usually don't open it up before the show because we want to watch it. But Yes it was one of the better shows so far this year.
 03/26/2009 10:23:51 AM · #810
yes it was GREAT....I'm still trying to get my head wrapped around it....

as Prof said that the scientist guy said they could change things now, I'm wondering if Ben's 'mainland mission' was to continue killing everyone that had something to do with 'controlling' the island. That would include himself. and he got Sayid to kill everyone else (except Locke, which Ben did), and he 'knew' that Sayid would kill him too.

Didn't Ben say that there was a war coming and the 'wrong people would win' if the Oceanic 6 didn't return to the island??? in other words, Ben 'won' the last time and he doesn't think that was right and wants the others (not the 'others') to win this time.

Message edited by author 2009-03-26 10:25:49.
 03/26/2009 10:32:42 AM · #811
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:


Anyone remember how old Ben was when he killed all the Dharma folks?


Ben was born on Dec 19, 1965 and he killed his father on his 27th birthday. The "purge" happened on Dec 19, 1992 at 4pm

On December 19, 1992, an adult Ben, who was a workman like his father, accompanied Roger on a supply run to the Pearl. Ben reminded him that it was his birthday and Roger, having forgotten again, suggested they have a beer together at the Mesa afterwards. Here, Ben questioned if Roger really did blame him for his mother's death, to which he said "What do I know?". Then, at 4:00 pm, Ben told Roger that he missed his mother too, but that for as long as he could remember he had had to put up with Roger, and that it had required a "tremendous amount of patience". Then, he put on a gas mask and opened a canister, releasing a gas which killed Roger. He then returned to the Barracks, where the staff of the Initiative had now been killed in the Purge. He went to Horace Goodspeed's body, slumped on a bench, and closed his eyes. Then Richard Alpert and the Others entered. Richard asked if they should get Roger's body, but Ben said to leave it. ("The Man Behind the Curtain")



//lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Toxic_gas

Message edited by author 2009-03-26 10:44:07.
 03/26/2009 10:34:47 AM · #812
What a great show last night. I'm like dassilem still trying to get my head around all that is going on.
 03/26/2009 10:39:06 AM · #813
Remember when the flashes were happening and Sawyer saw Kate on the island, I think the same thing is going on. Although Sayid did shoot the younger Benn the older Ben is still on the island. AND, we don't know yet if he is dead. He did get shot but he may not be dead. I don't remember everything that happened in every episode but I think when Jack was doing surgery on Ben back in season 3 when Ben took his shirt off he had a bullet wound on his chest. I'll go back and check in a little bit.

ETA:
No you don't see anything, the scene is Juliet and Jack washing their hands the next is them walking in to the OR and Ben is already prepped and ready for surgery. He is lying on his stomach because he has a spinal problem.

Message edited by author 2009-03-26 11:13:27.
 03/26/2009 12:51:00 PM · #814
Yea, I'm guessing Ben will still live on. Remember how the island has "special powers". It was the reason why Locke could walk again and got rid of Roses cancer, and it brought Locke back to life as well. Speaking of, where is Rose and Bernard?
 03/26/2009 01:14:29 PM · #815
Originally posted by icu1965:
Yea, I'm guessing Ben will still live on. Remember how the island has "special powers". It was the reason why Locke could walk again and got rid of Roses cancer, and it brought Locke back to life as well. Speaking of, where is Rose and Bernard?


I was wondering the same thing. We haven't seen them in a while. Nor have we had an update on the "others" either. I do agree with you in regards to Ben. He has to much of a role in how the I Island grows and gets rid of the Darma crew. So I don't believe he'll die.
 03/31/2009 01:58:20 PM · #816
I think it is impossible that Ben is dead unless it is a different time line, which would have no effect on the future they came from. I think the writers have discounted that theory and have stated it is all connected. So if this past directly effects the future there is no way Ben can die...he would start disappearing right in the middle of his guitar solo.

Ben, Locke, Sun, and the other people from the plane are in the present day, 2007 I believe.

I was talking to a friend and we came up with Jin waking up from being knocked out. He sees Ben lying there. Takes him back to Juliet who saves his life and imprints Juliet face on his memory and is the reason why he never lets her go from the island because he knows she has to go back and save his life.

Message edited by author 2009-03-31 14:00:38.
 03/31/2009 02:25:06 PM · #817
Well if Faraday (sp?) was still around he might be able to answer some questions! Didn't he say something about not being able to change some things? Where the heck did he go anyways?
 03/31/2009 03:06:25 PM · #818
I thought that Jack would do the surgery to save Ben's life once again. He already thinks that Ben is on his side and wouldn't want him to die. If Ben lives, then does he know all about them when they crashed on the island? maybe that is why there is a list of names of crash survivors for the others to bring back in the first or second season? What ever happened to those kids that were kidnapped from the tail section of the plane? Maybe Sayid was hallucinating and never really shot Ben at all, and it was just a side effect of the sugarcube. Which BTW, seemed way overdone, if they were going to give him a truth serum why act like they were going to torture Sayid? Seemed over the top.

I was looking on Lostpedia and found this video from Dr. Chang that is supposedly from the 70's and is being broadcast into the future. He says he knows about the purge and that they are all going to die and it can't be stopped. Maybe when the Dharma Initiative realize that Jack and the others are from the future, (because jack is not a janitor but a surgeon and saves Ben.) That they tell them of future events. Or maybe Faraday tells Chang what is going to happen, he seems to missing too. Who knows, with a new episode, I am sure will spoil all my theories, lol.
 03/31/2009 05:14:21 PM · #819
I just remembered the question I had from last week. Horace's son is Ethan, how come he didn't die during the purge? There's something about Ethan, something other than he turned out to be a creepy "other" with super human strength.
 03/31/2009 05:15:49 PM · #820
Originally posted by jdannels:
I thought that Jack would do the surgery to save Ben's life once again. He already thinks that Ben is on his side and wouldn't want him to die.

If Jack performs the surgery on Ben, won't that blow his cover? They said his aptitude test said he was only fit to be a workman.
 04/02/2009 11:00:23 AM · #821
Well once again I have more questions then answers I so enjoy this show. So what we saw last night was that a Ben flash back, and if so how do we feel about Ben now? Also it was intresting to get a little back story on his father.
 04/02/2009 01:21:46 PM · #822
i got a lot of answers - like why ben is 'evil', ok, 'not innocent' is perhaps a better term. why he killed all the dharma people now has an explanation too.

I liked the discussion about time travel between hurley and miles, and especially the bit about ben remembering he knew the 815 survivors as a kid, was shot by sayid, etc.

I still expect some type of time flash yet - too many people in too many different time-places.
 04/02/2009 04:56:21 PM · #823
Originally posted by icu1965:
I just remembered the question I had from last week. Horace's son is Ethan, how come he didn't die during the purge? There's something about Ethan, something other than he turned out to be a creepy "other" with super human strength.


Because Richard is doing something to the people (or the others. Ethan is one of "The Others" However we don't really know that yet but it would explain why he is still there.

Also Ethan used to be a cop and was sleeping with Kate at one point.
 04/03/2009 09:14:07 AM · #824
I liked the discussion about time travel between hurley and miles

Me too and the expressions from Hurley made me laugh. I didn't like the episode before last but the one this week certainly made up for it. Interesting, the theory about Kate being pregnant.

I'm curious as to how they are going to get those in NOW time together with those in THEN time. :~)
 04/03/2009 09:27:18 AM · #825
Originally posted by Jutilda:
I liked the discussion about time travel between hurley and miles

Me too and the expressions from Hurley made me laugh. I didn't like the episode before last but the one this week certainly made up for it. Interesting, the theory about Kate being pregnant.

I'm curious as to how they are going to get those in NOW time together with those in THEN time. :~)


I'm thinking when Ben kills the Dharma people, this would include Jack and the rest who are there, when they die, they will wake up in Now time. I think maybe dying is also a portal to time travel on the island.
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