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03/16/2009 02:43:17 PM · #51 |
I predict lots and lots of water falls. :~P
Not sure if I'll enter this one. |
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03/16/2009 03:00:38 PM · #52 |
live and learn, go for it, push the button lets see what happens. famous last words of fools, wise men, and martyrdom.
Message edited by author 2009-03-16 15:01:01. |
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03/16/2009 03:14:47 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by Balko:
Is this 1.00 sec or can it go to 1.1 or 1.2 sec - ?? |
It says 1 second...so I would say it means one second only...not 1.2 or 1.whatever..lol! |
Actually it is whatever 1 second exposure in your EXIF produces in the real world. One camera could be 1.1 second and another could be 1.3. Only the EXIF matters as the SC won't be able to tell the difference. Think about that for a while HawkEyeLoneWolf! LOL |
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03/16/2009 03:20:39 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by FireBird:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by Balko:
Is this 1.00 sec or can it go to 1.1 or 1.2 sec - ?? |
It says 1 second...so I would say it means one second only...not 1.2 or 1.whatever..lol! |
Actually it is whatever 1 second exposure in your EXIF produces in the real world. One camera could be 1.1 second and another could be 1.3. Only the EXIF matters as the SC won't be able to tell the difference. Think about that for a while HawkEyeLoneWolf! LOL |
Yes and no -- many (if not all) cameras record both the shutter speed setting and the shutter speed value. Just make sure you set your camera for a one-second exposure and you should be OK, though I can think of some ways to possibly manipulate the camera into actually using another value -- don't use any of those ... ;-) |
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03/16/2009 03:22:18 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by FireBird:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by Balko:
Is this 1.00 sec or can it go to 1.1 or 1.2 sec - ?? |
It says 1 second...so I would say it means one second only...not 1.2 or 1.whatever..lol! |
Actually it is whatever 1 second exposure in your EXIF produces in the real world. One camera could be 1.1 second and another could be 1.3. Only the EXIF matters as the SC won't be able to tell the difference. Think about that for a while HawkEyeLoneWolf! LOL |
What's Hawkeye have to do with your post? |
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03/16/2009 03:30:09 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by FireBird:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by Balko:
Is this 1.00 sec or can it go to 1.1 or 1.2 sec - ?? |
It says 1 second...so I would say it means one second only...not 1.2 or 1.whatever..lol! |
Actually it is whatever 1 second exposure in your EXIF produces in the real world. One camera could be 1.1 second and another could be 1.3. Only the EXIF matters as the SC won't be able to tell the difference. Think about that for a while HawkEyeLoneWolf! LOL |
What's Hawkeye have to do with your post? |
Was wondering that me-self. :)
Message edited by author 2009-03-16 15:30:20. |
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03/16/2009 03:35:59 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by Jutilda:
I predict lots and lots of water falls. :~P
Not sure if I'll enter this one. |
If there isn't a waterfall shot among the ribbon winners I think I'll have to steal borrow Mae's ::Promptly Faints:: line... :P |
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03/16/2009 03:38:06 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by FireBird:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by Balko:
Is this 1.00 sec or can it go to 1.1 or 1.2 sec - ?? |
It says 1 second...so I would say it means one second only...not 1.2 or 1.whatever..lol! |
Actually it is whatever 1 second exposure in your EXIF produces in the real world. One camera could be 1.1 second and another could be 1.3. Only the EXIF matters as the SC won't be able to tell the difference. Think about that for a while HawkEyeLoneWolf! LOL |
What's Hawkeye have to do with your post? |
Couldn't figure it out huh? He knows. :)
Hint: He likes everything perfectly by the rules with no exceptions. |
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03/16/2009 03:41:00 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by FireBird:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by FireBird:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by Balko:
Is this 1.00 sec or can it go to 1.1 or 1.2 sec - ?? |
It says 1 second...so I would say it means one second only...not 1.2 or 1.whatever..lol! |
Actually it is whatever 1 second exposure in your EXIF produces in the real world. One camera could be 1.1 second and another could be 1.3. Only the EXIF matters as the SC won't be able to tell the difference. Think about that for a while HawkEyeLoneWolf! LOL |
What's Hawkeye have to do with your post? |
Couldn't figure it out huh? He knows. :)
Hint: He likes everything perfectly by the rules with no exceptions. |
Obviously -- I think most people here agree with that. Rules are RULES. Suggestions, hints, etc. are not RULES. I'm not on the SC and I don't care what the EXIF says -- if they rule it is valid, then it's valid.
But on the previous 2 second challenge, a 2 second shutter speed was required and the winner was a 1/2 second shutter speed -- so they violated the RULES of the challenge. It wasn't up to interpretation.
So, your point still makes no sense. |
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03/16/2009 03:49:55 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
But on the previous 2 second challenge, a 2 second shutter speed was required and the winner was a 1/2 second shutter speed -- so they violated the RULES of the challenge. |
Failure to meet the challenge is not against the rules. 2 seconds was the topic, not a rule. |
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03/16/2009 03:51:34 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by FireBird:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by FireBird:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by Balko:
Is this 1.00 sec or can it go to 1.1 or 1.2 sec - ?? |
It says 1 second...so I would say it means one second only...not 1.2 or 1.whatever..lol! |
Actually it is whatever 1 second exposure in your EXIF produces in the real world. One camera could be 1.1 second and another could be 1.3. Only the EXIF matters as the SC won't be able to tell the difference. Think about that for a while HawkEyeLoneWolf! LOL |
What's Hawkeye have to do with your post? |
Couldn't figure it out huh? He knows. :)
Hint: He likes everything perfectly by the rules with no exceptions. |
Obviously -- I think most people here agree with that. Rules are RULES. Suggestions, hints, etc. are not RULES. I'm not on the SC and I don't care what the EXIF says -- if they rule it is valid, then it's valid.
But on the previous 2 second challenge, a 2 second shutter speed was required and the winner was a 1/2 second shutter speed -- so they violated the RULES of the challenge. It wasn't up to interpretation.
So, your point still makes no sense. |
The 2 Second Challenge was the name of the challenge, not the rules. The rules are set forth according to the type of challenge, Advanced, Basic, Minimal, etc.
There was no special condition "flag" rule for the 2 second exposure, so then it becomes a matter of DNMC. And DNMC is not grounds for a DQ.
If you enter something blue in the Green Challenge you won't be DQ'd either.
That said, the 2 Second Challenge was very controversial for this very reason. But the fact remains, unless it is specified in a special "Flag" rule on the challenge, the only rules that apply are the ones associated with the challenge type, not the challenge name.
I didn't read through the whole thread, if this has already been said, sorry for the repost. |
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03/16/2009 03:59:37 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
If you enter something blue in the Green Challenge you won't be DQ'd either. |
Heck, it's even possible to WIN a Green challenge when it's plainly obvious to every voter that you didn't actually use a green subject! |
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03/16/2009 03:59:47 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by FireBird:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by FireBird:
Originally posted by Judi:
Originally posted by Balko:
Is this 1.00 sec or can it go to 1.1 or 1.2 sec - ?? |
It says 1 second...so I would say it means one second only...not 1.2 or 1.whatever..lol! |
Actually it is whatever 1 second exposure in your EXIF produces in the real world. One camera could be 1.1 second and another could be 1.3. Only the EXIF matters as the SC won't be able to tell the difference. Think about that for a while HawkEyeLoneWolf! LOL |
What's Hawkeye have to do with your post? |
Couldn't figure it out huh? He knows. :)
Hint: He likes everything perfectly by the rules with no exceptions. |
No - I was pretty sure and was curious as to your response. Hawkeye gets gang-tackled alot (quite frequently without deserving it) and I wondered where you were on the playing field. |
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03/16/2009 04:21:26 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
But on the previous 2 second challenge, a 2 second shutter speed was required and the winner was a 1/2 second shutter speed -- so they violated the RULES of the challenge. |
Failure to meet the challenge is not against the rules. 2 seconds was the topic, not a rule. |
I'm glad you agree with me that DNMC is not against the rules. I never said it was by any stretch of the imagination.
But it was also the description, not just the topic: "Take a photograph using a shutter speed of exactly 2 seconds." No room for subjective interpretation there.
But you did get it right, there was no flag indicating a DQ if the challenge terms were not met, nor have I said that there should have been (again, you agree with me, smart boy).
I just rightly pointed out that it was a cheap win. |
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03/16/2009 04:38:12 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
But on the previous 2 second challenge, a 2 second shutter speed was required and the winner was a 1/2 second shutter speed -- so they violated the RULES of the challenge. |
...DNMC is not against the rules. I never said it was by any stretch of the imagination. |
My mistake. It was that Hawkeye gentleman who posted before you. |
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03/16/2009 04:40:26 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
But on the previous 2 second challenge, a 2 second shutter speed was required and the winner was a 1/2 second shutter speed -- so they violated the RULES of the challenge. |
Failure to meet the challenge is not against the rules. 2 seconds was the topic, not a rule. |
I'm glad you agree with me that DNMC is not against the rules. I never said it was by any stretch of the imagination.
But it was also the description, not just the topic: "Take a photograph using a shutter speed of exactly 2 seconds." No room for subjective interpretation there.
But you did get it right, there was no flag indicating a DQ if the challenge terms were not met, nor have I said that there should have been (again, you agree with me, smart boy).
I just rightly pointed out that it was a cheap win. |
And the winner was taken to the woodshed over it, in forums and in comments on his image. And DPC added the "flag" rule to any challenge along the same lines afterwards. The 30 second challenge and the current challenge are evidence that the controversy did change policy.
Obviously the issue has been addressed. |
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03/16/2009 07:30:20 PM · #67 |
what bright spark put this in the suggestion box??
oh right, it was me!
it seemed like a good idea at the time!
i just hope my idea comes off now!
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03/16/2009 07:49:38 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
But on the previous 2 second challenge, a 2 second shutter speed was required and the winner was a 1/2 second shutter speed -- so they violated the RULES of the challenge. It wasn't up to interpretation.
So, your point still makes no sense. |
Doesn't have to. You keep making it for me!
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03/16/2009 07:57:17 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
No - I was pretty sure and was curious as to your response. Hawkeye gets gang-tackled alot (quite frequently without deserving it) and I wondered where you were on the playing field. |
HELF throws his bod out for a lot of tackles
himself. Yuse plays the game, youse gets the bruises. Just think of me as the safety, keeping him honest. No gang tackle, I just grabbed his ankle as he cut a turn. He was headed to the goalposts with his shiny new 1SECDQ ball. Couldn't let that happen :) |
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03/16/2009 08:03:33 PM · #70 |
| What did I tell you? Mass Hysteria. |
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03/16/2009 08:29:27 PM · #71 |
| Hey, I live in Mass and I don't see any hysteria! Of course it would help if I got out, met people, opened my eyes once in a while. |
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03/16/2009 09:13:59 PM · #72 |
****Warning newb question******
How do I set my camera to take an exact 1 second photo? Also, how will everyone else know that it is in fact a 1 second photo when voting? |
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03/16/2009 09:19:42 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by cytoxan:
****Warning newb question******
How do I set my camera to take an exact 1 second photo? Also, how will everyone else know that it is in fact a 1 second photo when voting? |
Voters will simply have to give the photographer the benefit of the doubt when voting.
As for the camera question, set your camera to M or S (or Tv mode, I can't remember what Nikon uses), and then dial your shutter value down to 1" |
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03/16/2009 09:25:44 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by cytoxan:
****Warning newb question******
How do I set my camera to take an exact 1 second photo? Also, how will everyone else know that it is in fact a 1 second photo when voting? |
Voters will simply have to give the photographer the benefit of the doubt when voting.
As for the camera question, set your camera to M or S (or Tv mode, I can't remember what Nikon uses), and then dial your shutter value down to 1" |
Thanks, I thought that's what it was but didn't want to go out and get DQ'ed or anything so figured I'd make sure first. |
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03/16/2009 10:06:20 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by CEJ:
Hey, I live in Mass and I don't see any hysteria! Of course it would help if I got out, met people, opened my eyes once in a while. |
Come on over and watch me get hysterical (in the best possible sense of the word) friend...
R.
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