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01/02/2004 01:33:13 PM · #1 |
I see where Nikon has several D-SLRs either recently released or planned for 2004 and I'm just wondering if you think Canon will have an upgrade for the 1Ds. I know I don't need it but that 11.1 mp just has me all kinds of excited. I figure the 1D has room for improvement in the area of speed and number of frames per second but as 11.1 seems to be better than regular film density already what would be an improvement (besides that ability to FTP photos via WiFi - I don't consider that an improvement)?
My next upgrades will need to be lenses and lights but I'm still salivating over one of those 1Ds's.
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01/02/2004 05:08:56 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by KevinRiggs:
as 11.1 seems to be better than regular film density already what would be an improvement for 1Ds's. |
Hows about technology similar to Foveon but low noise? Any takers? effectivley like 25-30mpx and lenses could just about resolve that level of detail... |
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01/02/2004 06:54:04 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by sn4psh07:
Originally posted by KevinRiggs:
as 11.1 seems to be better than regular film density already what would be an improvement for 1Ds's. |
Hows about technology similar to Foveon but low noise? Any takers? effectivley like 25-30mpx and lenses could just about resolve that level of detail... |
If that's what you're looking for, get a Leaf Digital back. 22 Megapixel, about $27K. Very low noise since the photosites on the sensor are quite large relative to the what you have on most digicams, even the 1Ds. You need to have a few $K left for the camera body and some lenses too. Oh yeah, you have to shoot tethered to the PC too, it generates an ~140MB image file.
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01/02/2004 07:42:57 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by sn4psh07:
Originally posted by KevinRiggs:
as 11.1 seems to be better than regular film density already what would be an improvement for 1Ds's. |
Hows about technology similar to Foveon but low noise? Any takers? effectivley like 25-30mpx and lenses could just about resolve that level of detail... |
I vote for a full frame 6mp (6x3) Foveon sensor in a 10D body. That's about 12mp of resolving power, super accurate color and it will handle the noise better compared to the 1.4x crop factor current 3mp X3 sensor of the SD10 and SD9.
Canon is suspected of also working on a technique like this as well as exposure control at the microlens level = per pixel exposure control = huge amount of dynamic range.
It would also be interesting to see a camera that only does monochrome, it could be very fast because it doesn't have to handle RGB bayer interpolation and all its associated effects on image quality. Or a camera that lets you do this with the RGB sensor so that you can always choose between high quality color or extra high quality B&W.
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01/02/2004 08:24:06 PM · #5 |
I too am awaiting eagerly the day when the technology for a full-frame co-sited (like Foveon) high dynamic range chip is available. I think a necessary step in moving toward higher dynamic range will be making the sensor respond in a logarithmic manner, like the human eye, not linear like today's chips. Ultimately, it would be great to see a full 16 bits per channel, and I think we will get there within a few years, at least at the high end.
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01/02/2004 11:40:45 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by sn4psh07:
Originally posted by KevinRiggs:
as 11.1 seems to be better than regular film density already what would be an improvement for 1Ds's. |
Hows about technology similar to Foveon but low noise? Any takers? effectivley like 25-30mpx and lenses could just about resolve that level of detail... |
If that's what you're looking for, get a Leaf Digital back. 22 Megapixel, about $27K. Very low noise since the photosites on the sensor are quite large relative to the what you have on most digicams, even the 1Ds. You need to have a few $K left for the camera body and some lenses too. Oh yeah, you have to shoot tethered to the PC too, it generates an ~140MB image file. |
Yeah, I looked at the Mamiya with the digital back; they've run an ad in Studio Photography for the last several months. I hear that you can get the digital back for $11K street price. I have a friend that shoots a Mamiya medium 6x4.5cm and I've looked through their lines of cams but I just like the convenience of having the photo immediately without having to either (A) wait or (B) pay for processing. I mean the photogs on Mamiya's site talk about shooting several rolls of film per day and that equates to tens of frames per day that have to be processed for at much as $2/frame. I can't afford to spend $40-80 per day just to get used to a camera. I can see where the digital back would be useful if I was shooting in a studio all the time but I want something I can carry outside and shoot what I like to shoot without having to lug around a laptop and have it connected all the time. Anyway, they do have some decent prices on their 645 series (B&H have 2 with 80mm lens for approx $2550 USD each used). I think I'd rather invest in a 1Ds or its progeny if Canon decides to enhance that camera.
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01/02/2004 11:59:39 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by KevinRiggs:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by sn4psh07:
Originally posted by KevinRiggs:
as 11.1 seems to be better than regular film density already what would be an improvement for 1Ds's. |
Hows about technology similar to Foveon but low noise? Any takers? effectivley like 25-30mpx and lenses could just about resolve that level of detail... |
If that's what you're looking for, get a Leaf Digital back. 22 Megapixel, about $27K. Very low noise since the photosites on the sensor are quite large relative to the what you have on most digicams, even the 1Ds. You need to have a few $K left for the camera body and some lenses too. Oh yeah, you have to shoot tethered to the PC too, it generates an ~140MB image file. |
Yeah, I looked at the Mamiya with the digital back; they've run an ad in Studio Photography for the last several months. I hear that you can get the digital back for $11K street price. I have a friend that shoots a Mamiya medium 6x4.5cm and I've looked through their lines of cams but I just like the convenience of having the photo immediately without having to either (A) wait or (B) pay for processing. I mean the photogs on Mamiya's site talk about shooting several rolls of film per day and that equates to tens of frames per day that have to be processed for at much as $2/frame. I can't afford to spend $40-80 per day just to get used to a camera. I can see where the digital back would be useful if I was shooting in a studio all the time but I want something I can carry outside and shoot what I like to shoot without having to lug around a laptop and have it connected all the time. Anyway, they do have some decent prices on their 645 series (B&H have 2 with 80mm lens for approx $2550 USD each used). I think I'd rather invest in a 1Ds or its progeny if Canon decides to enhance that camera. |
If you are spending $2/frame for 120 or 220 E6 processing, you are getting ripped off. The lab in LA where I used to work, A&I, charges $6 for processing a 120 roll and $11 for a 220 roll.
Message edited by author 2004-01-03 00:00:41.
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01/03/2004 12:25:36 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
I too am awaiting eagerly the day when the technology for a full-frame co-sited (like Foveon) high dynamic range chip is available. I think a necessary step in moving toward higher dynamic range will be making the sensor respond in a logarithmic manner, like the human eye, not linear like today's chips. |
For only USD 60k you can have this . |
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01/04/2004 10:08:36 AM · #9 |
| Kevin - Don't lust too hard after the 1DS. I think you already own the best value camera on Earth. I too looked carefully at the firewired 1DS before opting for my USB 10D. Apart from the download method and pixel count, there isn't heaps of difference between the two. I own a Canon EOS 1V HS 35mm, so I know the 1DS body will last forever. But, with digital advances, do I want a camera that will last forever! The thing that clinched it for me was that I could buy four 10D's or one 1DS. And I don't think the 1DS is four times better. I might have sprung for paying double. Oh yeah - Photography Monthly magazine in the UK were thrilled with their 10D, and moaned about the 1DS regularly suffering from dust all over its sensor. As I said, don't lust too hard - your 10D was a wise buy. |
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01/04/2004 06:29:26 PM · #10 |
maybe per-pixel exposure control, embedded metalisation layers for 100% pixel coverage, per-pixel post-processing for longer battery life.
I'd like all these things before a larger sensor with a whole lot of data that very few people need |
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01/05/2004 03:04:31 AM · #11 |
per pixel control on a foveon chip, powered with the speed, buffer, and more accurate, faster AF of the 1ds, filling the std 35mm, giving 6mp foveon goodness....
I'm sold ;) |
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