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02/10/2009 10:28:59 PM · #1 |
I know there are folks who are unable to vote a photo a 1, 2, or 3, even though it's pretty bad. And some can't give more than a few 9's and 10's, even though there are many superb photos entered. No worry, I understand.
Try this ... on the next challenge where you vote, vote every photo in a challenge on a scale of 6 to 10. After all, a 6 is a pretty good score so you're not hurting a photo or a photographer. And if you "normalize your vote" the best photos will float to the top, and the worst will settle toward the bottom. So we are not gaming the system.
If you do this, I bet that 1/3 to 1/2 of your votes will be a 6. After all, a 6 does no one harm. But on this scale, a 6 represents the crappiness quotient many photos deserves.
Let's be honest about the crappy photos here and give them a low score, even if 6 is the bottom of your personal scale.
And let's give the best photos here the 9 or the 10 they deserve. |
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02/10/2009 10:33:12 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:
I know there are folks who are unable to vote a photo a 1, 2, or 3, even though it's pretty bad. And some can't give more than a few 9's and 10's, even though there are many superb photos entered. No worry, I understand.
Try this ... on the next challenge where you vote, vote every photo in a challenge on a scale of 6 to 10. After all, a 6 is a pretty good score so you're not hurting a photo or a photographer. And if you "normalize your vote" the best photos will float to the top, and the worst will settle toward the bottom. So we are not gaming the system.
If you do this, I bet that 1/3 to 1/2 of your votes will be a 6. After all, a 6 does no one harm. But on this scale, a 6 represents the crappiness quotient many photos deserves.
Let's be honest about the crappy photos here and give them a low score, even if 6 is the bottom of your personal scale.
And let's give the best photos here the 9 or the 10 they deserve. |
sure, i'll do that. |
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02/10/2009 10:34:54 PM · #3 |
This would artifically inflate scores for no good reason.
Also, a range of only 4 votes does not give me enough scale to differentiate between the really bad, average, good, great and Brilliant. I use the entire voting range, saving the 1 and 2s for the exceptionally bad (very rarely given) and the 10s for the exceptional (not given in every challenge, but sometimes given multiple times)
I don't see what benifit restricting the range would do, other than get people with very average photos excited about their scores instead of learning what they need to improve |
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02/10/2009 10:35:32 PM · #4 |
What, exactly, is this "thought experiment" supposed to be experimenting?
Sounds to me you just want to see higher averages, for no real purpose. |
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02/10/2009 10:46:55 PM · #5 |
He's just trying to "Confuse" everybody. :-P His specialty you know -  Dr.Confuser, and all. |
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02/10/2009 11:04:25 PM · #6 |
My average given is just short of 6.2, but then again I look for what̢۪s right with a photo..
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02/10/2009 11:05:19 PM · #7 |
It's not a "thought experiment" anyway, it's a "call to action"... A thought experiment takes place entirely in one's mind, with no tangible, physical evidence that it has taken place.
R.
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02/10/2009 11:24:24 PM · #8 |
Absolute scores are irrelevant, it's the relative scores that matter.
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02/10/2009 11:35:25 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
It's not a "thought experiment" anyway, it's a "call to action"... A thought experiment takes place entirely in one's mind, with no tangible, physical evidence that it has taken place.
R. |
To quote Kramer, speaking about an upcoming vacation: In my mind, I'm already gone!!
That's the kind of thought experiment I can get into :-)
This, on the other hand, sounds like a request to change voting habits to further compress, but shift the scale. I think, rather, that it would be better if folks were willing to expand their voting scales in both directions. 9s and 10s could be given to extraordinary images within the framework of the challenge, and not reserved for some mythical perfection in the history of photography. |
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02/11/2009 12:02:44 AM · #10 |
How about if you all vote the way I do instead -- after all, my system's the best way anyway ...
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02/11/2009 01:39:31 AM · #11 |
Crap ... with the tilted horizon challenge ... I may have to revise my range ... 1, 2, and/or 3!
I hate tilted horizons, especially if they look accidental. |
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02/11/2009 01:41:01 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
It's not a "thought experiment" anyway, it's a "call to action"... A thought experiment takes place entirely in one's mind, with no tangible, physical evidence that it has taken place.
R. |
Thank you Bear ... it IS after all a call to action!
Message edited by author 2009-02-11 01:43:16. |
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02/11/2009 02:45:05 AM · #13 |
I think that crap belongs at the bottom and super stuff at the top. Therefore I like to put as much room between crap and good. So crap gets 9 points less then a superb photo. If 200 people vote that is a 0,045 point difference that I can make. Had I given it a 6 it would only be a 0,025 point difference. My influence to put crap at the bottom where it belongs and top at the top, would be less.
I think it is a bad idea.
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02/11/2009 09:06:58 AM · #14 |
| With this tactic, you are only shifting the statistical distribution of votes, you are not changing the "shape" of the distribution. You could, accomplish the same thing by assigning all the photos in a given challenge with votes between 1 and 5. The photos that get the mean and median votes in the challenge will be identical across those two voting techniques. |
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02/11/2009 09:15:49 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by kaiser_chief:
This would artifically inflate scores for no good reason.
Also, a range of only 4 votes does not give me enough scale to differentiate between the really bad, average, good, great and Brilliant. I use the entire voting range, saving the 1 and 2s for the exceptionally bad (very rarely given) and the 10s for the exceptional (not given in every challenge, but sometimes given multiple times)
I don't see what benifit restricting the range would do, other than get people with very average photos excited about their scores instead of learning what they need to improve |
5 votes..... not 4 |
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02/11/2009 04:15:33 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by katiemcg:
Originally posted by kaiser_chief:
This would artifically inflate scores for no good reason.
Also, a range of only 4 votes does not give me enough scale to differentiate between the really bad, average, good, great and Brilliant. I use the entire voting range, saving the 1 and 2s for the exceptionally bad (very rarely given) and the 10s for the exceptional (not given in every challenge, but sometimes given multiple times)
I don't see what benifit restricting the range would do, other than get people with very average photos excited about their scores instead of learning what they need to improve |
5 votes..... not 4 |
5, 4 whatever. Any attempt to raise the average vote given to crap photos, which is all this is attempting to do, should be avoided. I will continue to give crap, out of focus shots the 2s and 3s that they deserve, and the brilliant ones the 9s and 10s they deserve........... |
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02/11/2009 04:21:09 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:
I hate tilted horizons, especially if they look accidental. |
Then don't vote the challenge. |
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02/11/2009 04:31:35 PM · #18 |
I vote everything from 1s to 10s. In any given challenge I'll probably give out 1-2 ones, and 1-2 tens. Roughly eyeballing it I think my votes are pretty much normally distributed; and my average vote is 5.6 or very close to what one would expect if they were.
Seems silly not to use all the buttons that are there. |
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02/11/2009 11:34:17 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:
Let's be honest about the crappy photos here and give them a low score, even if 6 is the bottom of your personal scale.
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After reading this undisguised attempt to influence voting on the site, I realized that the Dr. has convinced me to change. I seldom vote below a 4 and not too many of those. In honor of the good Dr. I will start using all of the votes while voting a challenge. As I search thru the sevens and usually find a few 8's, a couple of 9,s and a 10 or two, I'll also look thru all the 4's 5,s and 6's and rank some of those downward so as to use the entire scale of votes. Thanks goes to the good Dr. for my revelations and ensuing changes. |
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02/11/2009 11:37:11 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
How about if you all vote the way I do instead -- after all, my system's the best way anyway ...
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Better yet... a 9 for BAD and 10 for GOOD. |
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02/16/2009 12:02:27 PM · #21 |
Oh..... another thread that tries to tell us how to vote......
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02/16/2009 12:04:14 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by neophyte:
Oh..... another thread that tries to tell us how to vote...... |
That had died quite nicely until er-hmmm, the last post. :-) |
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02/16/2009 12:37:48 PM · #23 |
I am a big trouble maker....Sorry...
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02/16/2009 12:58:09 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by neophyte:
I am a big trouble maker.... |
Well, then you fit in just perfectly. |
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02/16/2009 02:14:04 PM · #25 |
Who reactivated this thread?
Some neophyte?
hehehehe |
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