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Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

02/02/2009 11:59:47 AM · #101

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by TallPaul:

I guess this challenge wonderfully demonstrates how subjective photography is. As long as it meets the challenge there is no right or wrong way.

Heh. Considering the main argument here is what, exactly, meets the challenge, that's an interesting statement.

Great, now we can argue about what exactly the arguement is about? ;)

hahn23

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS II USM Lens

02/02/2009 12:15:48 PM · #102

Originally posted by keegbow:

Originally posted by hahn23:
The Color Purple, for example:

My point is.... for this challenge, if one has a gray colored subject and it is better presented (aesthetically) with a desaturated background and foreground, then it should be voted on without prejudice, based on precedent set in previous color challenges.

I wouldnâ��t make any assumptions based on a challenge from 5 years ago the crowd is so fickle here they change with every challenge. I can never pick what the voters are thinking.

Good point! Here's an entry from the 2008 GREEN challenge which was treated fairly well.

Not common to have the color challenges in Advanced Editing, but the GRAY challenge is in Advanced Editing. There are lots of ways of accomplishing selective desaturation, which is a legal technique in Advanced Editing. What makes this challenge interesting (and challenging) is that one could have a gray subject and sel desat the background and foreground and it would be difficult to tell for sure.

I have voted on this challenge....
You have rated 185 of 186 images (99%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 8 images (4%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.1243.

I awarded 3 - 10s; 4 - 9s; 9 - 8s.... 0 - 1s. Of the top ranked images, there were several with vibrant color in the image, but the subject was gray.

Message edited by author 2009-02-02 12:16:14.

Stagolee

Kodak Easyshare C180

Canon EF 50mm f1.2L

02/02/2009 12:28:07 PM · #103

Originally posted by hahn23:

Good point! Here's an entry from the 2008 GREEN challenge which was treated fairly well.

Not common to have the color challenges in Advanced Editing, but the GRAY challenge is in Advanced Editing. There are lots of ways of accomplishing selective desaturation, which is a legal technique in Advanced Editing. What makes this challenge interesting (and challenging) is that one could have a gray subject and sel desat the background and foreground and it would be difficult to tell for sure.

I understand what you are saying but in the examples you have posted selective desaturation is used to highlight or contrast the subject or colour. In the grey colour challenge it serves little or no purpose to contrast a grey subject by using this method.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS II USM Lens

02/02/2009 12:38:56 PM · #104

Originally posted by BrianR:

Originally posted by Rebecca:
I don't care if you shot a gray subject or did a b/w conversion. If the subject of the photo is gray, I'm happy! :-)

So the next time we get a somehow photograph the color green challenge we can shoot red and convert it to green and you will be happy.???? and how will you know the subject if it is all gray.???

1) It just said to capture gray. It didn't say you couldn't using color shifts or b/w conversions. Who am I to question someone else's completely valid interpretation of the challenge? Just because it's not what I did doesn't mean it isn't "right", and I'm not going to punish anyone who doesn't neatly fit into a single narrow interpretation. Heaven forbid should anyone here have an open mind - nice to see that hasn't changed in the last year.

2) Where is my eye drawn to? Does the subject dominate the frame? Did the photographer make effective use of the rule of thirds or negative space? Subjects aren't dependent on color. Gray is everything between black and white, after all.

hahn23

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

02/02/2009 12:40:42 PM · #105

Originally posted by keegbow:

There are a dozen or more entries in this challenge which effectively use excellent highlighting and contrasting techniques. Can't show 'em now. But, when people vote, the presentations are the easiest to spot, because they meet the challenge so well. What works best for me is to relax and enjoy voting on challenges by offering up great scores to great images. When an image is well done, without distractions, then it gets a generous vote. It's actually fairly easy to sort them out.

chromeydome

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

02/02/2009 12:58:14 PM · #106

"Capture the color grey somehow"

"somehow" opens the door to a variety of methods and interpretations. Unlike the "Black & White In Color" challenge which specifically indicated a color image, this description is more general.

So, while I chose a colour image approach, a black & white conversion with beautiful greys is just as worthy, in my opinion. I was concerned at the beginning of scoring that voters interpreted this as a b/w conversion only challenge, but it seems that those early voters were a minority.

No automatic 1s for conversions, desats, or color images from me (I have no automatic 1 criterion in any challenge)--let the DNMC Police Squad award their impotent 1's, but the majority of voters here are more open minded.

PennyStreet

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 17mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko

02/02/2009 12:59:13 PM · #107

Originally posted by hahn23:

Is it true?... the people who chose to interpret this challenge as a color challenge (non gray????) are all voting in a block, with monolithic "1"s, against the images with gray subjects. There was no prohibition against conversion to a black and white image. The only conditional clasue sentence was .... "You should do your best to avoid extreme shades of gray (read: shades of black and white)". That doesn't mean take a color picture with some obscure element in gray. Nearly every photo has that condition. Furthermore, there are many images which are naturally in shades of gray. The challenge here was to capture a gray colored subject and avoid the extreme ends of the histogram. Mostly, I'm concerned that a group would vote in a block based on their "unique" interpretation.

IF you're speaking to MY comment, I just want to say that I would NEVER give anybody a 1 or even a 2 (and most likey never a 3). And I belong to no groups.
What I meant was that I believe color images work better for this topic and, therefore, I will most likely vote them higher. I gave the topic description alot of thought before posting my own color image of something I thought looked grey. I processed it and re-processed it several times and even tried desat. To get a good all-grey picture is HARD because, to me, what makes a photo interesting is some contrasting element. Black and white didn't seem to work well at all because, to me (again), you can't have good black and white photography without the extreme dark/light contrast.
So - I promise to keep an open mind and look at each image as it's own grey image, whether its in color or b/w but I can almost say for sure that the images that will work, for my eye, will be those in color. And NO LOW SCORES. Promise.
I don't want any so I'm sure nobody else does either.
When I'm finished voting (maybe tonight) I will post my stats.

Pentax D-FA* 70-200mm f/2.8 ED DC AW

02/02/2009 01:03:26 PM · #108

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

I mostly agree with TallPaul. There are a thousand ways to interpret this, and unless there's something in the challenge description that specifically bans any given condition, all of them are right. People are dissecting this to a degree that's just utterly ridiculous.

Does it say you can't convert to b/w? No.
Does it say it must be shot in color? No.
Does it say you can't use selective desat (and geez, when did that become trendy around here anyway??) No.
Does it say you should give preference to color shots? No.
Does it say that the color must be captured in-camera? No.
Does it say that gray's "capture" can't happen in post-processing? No.

In general, a lack of specificity means that the challenge was designed to have a broad interpretation, and I will not punish interpretations that differ from the approach I took with my own entry. The only rules are the ones that are truly specific. After that, anything goes.

And here's a brainteaser for you anti-b/w folks: Are you sure it isn't a color capture? How do you know? I mean, if the color is gray, and that was the challenge, then a well-done entry may not make it obvious. Yes, I know you can load it into PS and check out the histogram or whatever, but how many voters are really going to go there? C'mon now.

K3Master

Pentax K-3

02/02/2009 01:05:26 PM · #109

Originally posted by Rebecca:

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by TallPaul:

I guess this challenge wonderfully demonstrates how subjective photography is. As long as it meets the challenge there is no right or wrong way.

Heh. Considering the main argument here is what, exactly, meets the challenge, that's an interesting statement.

I mostly agree with TallPaul. There are a thousand ways to interpret this, and unless there's something in the challenge description that specifically bans any given condition, all of them are right. People are dissecting this to a degree that's just utterly ridiculous.

Does it say you can't convert to b/w? No.
Does it say it must be shot in color? No.
Does it say you can't use selective desat (and geez, when did that become trendy around here anyway??) No.
Does it say you should give preference to color shots? No.
Does it say that the color must be captured in-camera? No.
Does it say that gray's "capture" can't happen in post-processing? No.

In general, a lack of specificity means that the challenge was designed to have a broad interpretation, and I will not punish interpretations that differ from the approach I took with my own entry. The only rules are the ones that are truly specific. After that, anything goes.

And here's a brainteaser for you anti-b/w folks: Are you sure it isn't a color capture? How do you know? I mean, if the color is gray, and that was the challenge, then a well-done entry may not make it obvious. Yes, I know you can load it into PS and check out the histogram or whatever, but how many voters are really going to go there? C'mon now.

Well, I was really just being tongue-in-cheek.

I think my main argument to begin with was an appeal to stop voting pretty much anything down. That's my appeal in every challenge though. lol.

colorcarnival

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark III

Olympus 45mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital

02/02/2009 01:08:12 PM · #110

i haven't voted in this yet but I look forward to it. The thumbs show a variety of interpretations which is good and fun.

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glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

02/02/2009 01:08:52 PM · #111

Speaking of "Scores"; in the last 36 post's in this thread, 3 have been scores! :-)

Make it 4 in the last 37 now.

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BTW - Who reads challenge descriptions anyway? :-P

ETA - One snuck in, so now it's 5 in 38. :-D

Message edited by author 2009-02-02 13:09:26.

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark III

02/02/2009 01:09:18 PM · #112

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Well, I was really just being tongue-in-cheek.

I think my main argument to begin with was an appeal to stop voting pretty much anything down. That's my appeal in every challenge though. lol.

I know, I wasn't jumping on you, and I certainly didn't mean for it to come off that way.

colorcarnival

Olympus 45mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital

02/02/2009 01:09:52 PM · #113

yep Barry, I just snuck one in :D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

02/02/2009 01:10:06 PM · #114

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Okay, just for you: 5.6667. ;-)

Kelli

Canon EOS-D60

02/02/2009 01:13:35 PM · #115

Hey, I broke the 5 barrier...

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chromeydome

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

02/02/2009 01:14:57 PM · #116

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Considering it started at 3.2 last night, I am pleased :-)

sempermarine

Apple iPhone 5s

02/02/2009 01:15:36 PM · #117

When my shot is unveiled with this score, there will be great disappointment in the DPC community. One commenter will have their heart torn out by this revelation. I can not be held accountable for the rant threads that will start. Just remember this is only a silly virtual challenge and I am okay with this score. I will move on and create other masterpieces for all to enjoy. :) (on a positive note it is improving)

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chromeydome

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

02/02/2009 01:28:30 PM · #118

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just got an 8 :-)

ralph

Nikon Z9

02/02/2009 01:29:53 PM · #119

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strangely better than expected ...
hmmm...

Lutchenko

Nikon D700

Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX DG Macro for Nikon

02/02/2009 01:32:43 PM · #120

Struggling lol

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TallPaul