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 12/23/2008 02:11:55 AM · #26
option 1!
 12/23/2008 02:20:43 AM · #27
I'm of the opinion that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", so my vote would be for option 1 (assuming it worked well this year). But I may be biased by my low average.

Message edited by author 2008-12-23 02:22:44.
 12/23/2008 02:52:57 AM · #28
option 1
 12/23/2008 03:40:01 AM · #29
You can award points based on what the temperature is in Zimbabwe on the day each Free Study ends for all I care. I'm just using it as an excuse to make sure I enter a Free Study every month and try my best to better the last one. Scoring means nothing.

Maybe I'm a minority in this thought process.
 12/23/2008 08:27:55 AM · #30
If I had to pick one option I'd say option 1. I like the way it ran for 2008.

Robert ( Bear_Music) brings up a point that makes me wonder...how are you handling the improvement scoring for a participant that is relatively new to DPC (say less than 10 challenge entries)?

Regardless of how it shakes out I'll have fun. :-) Thanks for sponsoring this event with your time and energy Scott - very much appreciated!
 12/23/2008 09:57:15 AM · #31
#1 is unbalanced based on how long you've been at DPC. #2 (average of the past N free study entries) at least tracks recent improvement and levels the playing field.

However, my feeling is that improvement is more of a personal warm fuzzy, while a marathon is, in fact, all about the scores.
 12/23/2008 10:22:14 AM · #32
Answering Melethia question about how the I-points effected the Top 10 This year, here is the breakdown as of Nov. 2008 

Using I-Points               Not Using I-Points     Rank

RNK     Username             RNK     Username       Difference

1       Alain                1       Alain          ---

2       Ecce Signum          2       orvaratli      +1

3       orvaratli            3       Ecce Signum    -1

4       Structor             4       Structor       ---

5       MAK                  5       Larus          +3

6       surfdabbler          6       MAK            -1

7       Ken ( * )            7       njsabs2323     +3

8       Larus                8       surfdabbler    -2

9       jdannels             9       jdannels       ---

10      njsabs2323           10      Ken ( * )      -3


As you can see NONE of the Top 10 dropped out of the TOP 10 and the rank difference is at most -3/+3.

So, in your opinion, do you think the I-point system is working?

Message edited by author 2008-12-23 10:32:41.
 12/23/2008 11:03:38 AM · #33
I thought 08 worked just fine but I'd vote for option 3(no handicapping)if you asked for an opinion. Either way is cool...
 12/23/2008 02:43:06 PM · #34
bump

Message edited by author 2008-12-23 18:36:48.
 12/23/2008 06:37:21 PM · #35
BUMP
 12/23/2008 06:56:46 PM · #36
option 1
 12/23/2008 07:14:17 PM · #37
Looking at that breakdown it appears the I-Point system isn't very effective anyway so just nix it.
12/23/2008 07:15:51 PM · #38
Originally posted by yanko:
Looking at that breakdown it appears the I-Point system isn't very effective anyway so just nix it.

How does it impact the top 25 rather than just the top 10...or is that just a trivial matter?
 12/23/2008 07:17:42 PM · #39
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by yanko:
Looking at that breakdown it appears the I-Point system isn't very effective anyway so just nix it.

How does it impact the top 25 rather than just the top 10...or is that just a trivial matter?


If you don't finish first does it matter? :P
 12/23/2008 07:18:50 PM · #40
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by yanko:
Looking at that breakdown it appears the I-Point system isn't very effective anyway so just nix it.

How does it impact the top 25 rather than just the top 10...or is that just a trivial matter?

If you don't finish first does it matter? :P

Nope, guess it never will. :-{
 12/23/2008 09:24:57 PM · #41
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by yanko:
Looking at that breakdown it appears the I-Point system isn't very effective anyway so just nix it.

How does it impact the top 25 rather than just the top 10...or is that just a trivial matter?


If you don't finish first does it matter? :P


Sure it does! Just to finish well in this event with so many great photographers is an honour. Otherwise we might as well all give up after the first few months! It is not so much about finishing first (after you are out of that race) as trying to catch those that are just above you and reaching for that next rung on the ladder. So it does matter, and so do the "I" points. IMHO of course. ;)
 12/23/2008 09:51:55 PM · #42
FSM 2009 should not reflect on past in any way. Everyone has different past with various number of entries, averages, scores etc. FSM 2009 should only account for what happens in 2009 and NOTHING ELSE.

That's just me.
 12/23/2008 10:12:44 PM · #43
Originally posted by Nikolai1024:
FSM 2009 should not reflect on past in any way. Everyone has different past with various number of entries, averages, scores etc. FSM 2009 should only account for what happens in 2009 and NOTHING ELSE.

That's just me.


So you do not care about improvement at all, as long as you enter something? If you want to improve, then you care about your past scores/average. Improvement is by definition involves your past scores.
 12/23/2008 10:28:52 PM · #44
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by Nikolai1024:
FSM 2009 should not reflect on past in any way. Everyone has different past with various number of entries, averages, scores etc. FSM 2009 should only account for what happens in 2009 and NOTHING ELSE.

That's just me.


So you do not care about improvement at all, as long as you enter something? If you want to improve, then you care about your past scores/average. Improvement is by definition involves your past scores.


I care about improvement but this system makes things unfair. Improvement should be calculated on prior FSM entry or average of all FSM 2009 entries.
 12/24/2008 12:38:48 AM · #45
I-Points

Calculating the Beginning Averages for all participants.

1. Members with at least 5 Monthly Free Study Challenges entered.
Total their recent five FS Scores and divide by 5 to get their beginning average.

2. Member with less than 5 Monthly Free Study Challenges entered.
Total their most recent FS scores plus their most recent member challenge scores and divide by 5 to get their beginning average.

3. Members with no Monthly Free Studies entered.
Total most recent member challenge scores and divide by 5 to get their beginning average.

4. Members with no Monthly Free Studies and less than five members challenges entered.
Total their most recent member challenge scores plus their most recent open challenge scores and divide by 5 to get their beginning average.

5. Members with no Monthly Free Study or member challenges entered.
Total most recent open challenge scores and divide by 5 to get their beginning average.

6. Members with no Monthly Free Studies, no members challenges entered, and less than five open challenges entered.
Total the most recent open challenges and the remaining challenges need to make the minimum of five challenges will be base on the voting scale average of 5.5000 and divide by 5 to get their beginning average.

7. Members with no prior challenges entered.
Their beginning average will be the voting scales average of 5.5000.

Message edited by author 2008-12-24 00:41:11.
 12/24/2008 01:49:16 AM · #46
Originally posted by SDW:
I-Points

Calculating the Beginning Averages for all participants.

1. Members with at least 5 Monthly Free Study Challenges entered.
Total their recent five FS Scores and divide by 5 to get their beginning average.

2. Member with less than 5 Monthly Free Study Challenges entered.
Total their most recent FS scores plus their most recent member challenge scores and divide by 5 to get their beginning average.

3. Members with no Monthly Free Studies entered.
Total most recent member challenge scores and divide by 5 to get their beginning average.

4. Members with no Monthly Free Studies and less than five members challenges entered.
Total their most recent member challenge scores plus their most recent open challenge scores and divide by 5 to get their beginning average.

5. Members with no Monthly Free Study or member challenges entered.
Total most recent open challenge scores and divide by 5 to get their beginning average.

6. Members with no Monthly Free Studies, no members challenges entered, and less than five open challenges entered.
Total the most recent open challenges and the remaining challenges need to make the minimum of five challenges will be base on the voting scale average of 5.5000 and divide by 5 to get their beginning average.

7. Members with no prior challenges entered.
Their beginning average will be the voting scales average of 5.5000.


That looks like a tonne of extra work for you (or anyone else that has to calculate it). I say lets just go with option 1. Its not going to make or break anyones performance, but does give credit to overall improvement.
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