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12/05/2008 01:52:47 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
That was Doogie Howser?? Wow. He's all growed up and everything. |
You've got to see him (Neil Patrick Harris) in Harold & Kumar Go To White Castle and ...Escape from Guantanamo Bay (especially the latter). He is, I think, the most hysterical character in the entire movie.
Neil Patrick Harris: "...What does the P.H. stand for in N.P.H.?"
Kumar: "Uh..."
Harold: "Patrick Harris."
Neil Patrick Harris: "No, common mistake..."
[ you have to see the movie to appreciate the rest of that quote... The subtext is even funnier because in both movies he's supposedly playing himself, and is an incredible womanizer, but in real life between movies he came out as being gay. ]
"Did you see that unicorn?"
My other favorite quotes......umm...aren't quotable in polite company. :D
ETA -- Thanks so much, Thomas, for the link to that video. That was truely awesome. Everyone, be sure and check out the "Related" video on banning divorce. It's a little dry at first, but stick through the whole thing -- it has a totally epic closing (1:23). Almost brought tears to my eyes; just brilliant.
Message edited by author 2008-12-05 01:59:26. |
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12/05/2008 08:54:13 AM · #27 |
"See ya' later, sinners!"
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12/05/2008 12:10:25 PM · #28 |
| Bump, because I had to go watch it again. That Doogie boy can sing. |
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12/05/2008 12:11:37 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by yospiff:
Originally posted by Melethia:
That was Doogie Howser?? Wow. He's all growed up and everything. |
If you like him in that, you will also love this: Dr. Horrible's Sing-along blog. It's hysterical. In a maniacal, mad scientist sort of way.
And you can also pre-order the DVD on Amazon I've ordered two. |
Wah. It won't stream outside of the US. Wah!! Maybe I'll preorder the DVD. |
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12/05/2008 01:25:46 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by CassieDoodle:
very funny, thanks for posting!
maybe someday love with prevail over hate. |
It already did when Prop 8 passed. That is the loving position. The hating position allows self-destructive behaviour to continue.
Sometimes love is tough, not giving everyone their way.
No hate in my body for people who've chosen the gay lifestyle. But I don't love their choice. Nor should I. |
Gay? Not a choice. I should know! Try again.
And I'd REALLY appreciate it if you didn't suggest my marriage, career, and family as gay man are self-destructive... I know full well it's people like you that are what's destructive to gays. I'm doing spectacularly well, thank you very much, despite your efforts. Ask my mom! Heck, ask my husband. :)
That you think it's okay to broadly disparage an entire class of fellow humans in this way, without considering the feelings of those who may very well witness your ourpouring directly... what does that say about your belief system?
And please... don't make me offer up some examples of REAL blasphemy.
Here's a Q for the Hawkman:
Certain nations in the middle east have asked the UN to enact a resolution (not binding yet) prohibiting blasphemy. Look up "Combating Defamation of Religions". What is your opinion on this issue? Do you think it should be made binding for any country in the UN?
Do tell!
Persoanlly, I can't wait for the Muslims to detain all the Christians for daring to suggest that there IS another god but Allah. Blasphemy!!!
Live by the sword...
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12/06/2008 10:50:16 AM · #31 |
Not blasphemous, but funny. From the same website...
Cats on a treadmill |
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12/06/2008 11:59:01 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
It already did when Prop 8 passed. That is the loving position. The hating position allows self-destructive behaviour to continue.
Sometimes love is tough, not giving everyone their way.
No hate in my body for people who've chosen the gay lifestyle. But I don't love their choice. Nor should I. |
PLEASE explain how being gay is a choice!
If you won't, and you can't, then please stop saying it.
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12/06/2008 02:46:24 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
PLEASE explain how being gay is a choice! |
Excellent point. It's as much of a choice as my "choice" to find women attractive. It is something that only seems to be a choice to others that are on the outside.
Perhaps if I were strongly religious I might feel differently, but I have no problem with gays. They are the same person regardless of their preference. I have some family members who are gay or have had times when they were attracted to the same sex. The worst possible thing to do would have been to make them feel bad about it. These people are well adjusted, productive members of society.
Message edited by author 2008-12-06 14:46:57. |
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12/08/2008 02:06:54 PM · #34 |
So typical... make an unsupported, outsider statement about homosexuality being a choice, and then refuse to reply when challenged. The literary equivalent of a drive-by. Oh the things dogma makes us do!
Is it my choice that I think all but 1% of boobs look hideous, or that I think tomboys make the cutest girls? Hah! I don't think so. I haven't even wanted to TRY sex with a woman, apart from a general interest in novelty, perhaps.
Logically, bisexuals have a choice. Gays and straights do not have a choice, except to deny their natures and live unhappily. I choose not to live unhappily, and chase my dream.
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12/08/2008 10:02:53 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Mousie:
Is it my choice that I think all but 1% of boobs look hideous, (...) |
I think you posted in the wrong thread. The "Blasphemy" thread is over there. --->>> |
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12/08/2008 10:06:40 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by milo655321:
Originally posted by Mousie:
Is it my choice that I think all but 1% of boobs look hideous, (...) |
I think you posted in the wrong thread. The "Blasphemy" thread is over there. --->>> |
Actually, I'm curious to see the 1% that he doesn't find hideous, those must be some fantastic boobs:-) |
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12/09/2008 11:47:40 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
That was Doogie Howser?? Wow. He's all growed up and everything. |
Doogie!!!
He was also on sesame street (YouTube). |
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12/09/2008 12:01:03 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
PLEASE explain how being gay is a choice!
If you won't, and you can't, then please stop saying it. |
National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality
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12/09/2008 01:02:33 PM · #39 |
From the NARTH website:
Women who deal with same sex attraction, possess a history of disindentification with their mothers, and therefore with their femininity. This leads to a longing for connection with the feminine that becomes sexualized in adolescence or adulthood. Without a secure attachment to mother, she fails to identify with mother as a female role model losing the opportunity to develop trust and a healthy gender identity. Because of an empty or distorted view of her feminine self she has an inability to connect in a healthy way with other girls. Her sexual development is arrested.
This can create an underlying depression and anxiety within the little girl that may follow the remainder of her life. She does not have a sense of well-being and lives with restlessness within her as she searches for security and stability. She seeks validation for her dependency needs that were denied as a child and longs to be connected with a loving caretaker and ultimately with herself. Rather than finding the feminine within her, she looks to another woman to give her the identification and connection she is missing.
Like all other deep-seated identity issues, same sex attraction is difficult to overcome. Psychotherapy consists of understanding the emotional roots of the attraction, strengthening feminine identification, grieving the losses of childhood and learning to meet same sex needs for attention, affection and affirmation with emotional dependency and in a non-erotic manner.
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Hmmmm.... So, by this logic, lesbian parents would be ideal because you have not one, but two maternal figures in the child's life, and between the two of them, they will fulfill this mother as a female role, right? |
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12/09/2008 01:15:33 PM · #40 |
NARTH is a mouthpiece for conservative Christendom. They are a group of religious doctors using outmoded psychiatry to promote a political and social agenda. About NARTH. From that site:
"NARTH proclaims to be a secular organization but often supports reparative therapy and participates in ex-gay events conducted by an array of religious organizations including Focus on the Family's Love Won Out symposium. In many instances, NARTH̢۪s rhetoric is indistinguishable from sectarian organizations.
'We, as citizens, need to articulate God̢۪s intent for human sexuality,' Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, President of NARTH, said in CNN̢۪s 360 Degrees with Anderson Cooper, April 14, 2007. At the Feb. 10, 2007 Love Won Out conference in Phoenix, the 'secular' therapist told the audience, 'When we live our God-given integrity and our human dignity, there is no space for sex with a guy.'
Confronted with protesters at their 2006 national conference in Orlando, NARTH instructed its members to 'sing a hymn or pray instead,' according to Mother Jones magazine, in its Sept.-Oct. 2007 issue."
"NARTH relies on outdated studies and frequently confuses stereotypes with science. Dr. Nicolosi, for example, often tells audiences that people are gay because they have a rift with a same-sex parent or a have domineering opposite sex parent. It has been decades since any serious scientific body subscribed to these views and there is no contemporary research to uphold these anachronistic theories. Yet, NARTH's co-founder Dr. Joseph Nicolosi repeats the empty mantra, 'We advise fathers, if you don̢۪t hug your sons, some other man will.'"
There's much more about this shameful organization all over the web. Read. |
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12/09/2008 01:44:19 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by pidge:
From the NARTH website:
Women who deal with same sex attraction, possess a history of disindentification with their mothers, and therefore with their femininity. This leads to a longing for connection with the feminine that becomes sexualized in adolescence or adulthood. Without a secure attachment to mother, she fails to identify with mother as a female role model losing the opportunity to develop trust and a healthy gender identity. Because of an empty or distorted view of her feminine self she has an inability to connect in a healthy way with other girls. Her sexual development is arrested.
This can create an underlying depression and anxiety within the little girl that may follow the remainder of her life. She does not have a sense of well-being and lives with restlessness within her as she searches for security and stability. She seeks validation for her dependency needs that were denied as a child and longs to be connected with a loving caretaker and ultimately with herself. Rather than finding the feminine within her, she looks to another woman to give her the identification and connection she is missing.
Like all other deep-seated identity issues, same sex attraction is difficult to overcome. Psychotherapy consists of understanding the emotional roots of the attraction, strengthening feminine identification, grieving the losses of childhood and learning to meet same sex needs for attention, affection and affirmation with emotional dependency and in a non-erotic manner.
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As odd as it sounds, that is how one of my friends (who is a lesbian) describes what it was like for her growing up :/
Don't know if it is true for all, probably not (very seldom is ONE thing true for everyone), but it seems to fit for some. |
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12/09/2008 07:02:11 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by pidge:
From the NARTH website:
Women who deal with same sex attraction, possess a history of disindentification with their mothers, and therefore with their femininity. This leads to a longing for connection with the feminine that becomes sexualized in adolescence or adulthood. Without a secure attachment to mother, she fails to identify with mother as a female role model losing the opportunity to develop trust and a healthy gender identity. Because of an empty or distorted view of her feminine self she has an inability to connect in a healthy way with other girls. Her sexual development is arrested.
This can create an underlying depression and anxiety within the little girl that may follow the remainder of her life. She does not have a sense of well-being and lives with restlessness within her as she searches for security and stability. She seeks validation for her dependency needs that were denied as a child and longs to be connected with a loving caretaker and ultimately with herself. Rather than finding the feminine within her, she looks to another woman to give her the identification and connection she is missing.
Like all other deep-seated identity issues, same sex attraction is difficult to overcome. Psychotherapy consists of understanding the emotional roots of the attraction, strengthening feminine identification, grieving the losses of childhood and learning to meet same sex needs for attention, affection and affirmation with emotional dependency and in a non-erotic manner.
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As odd as it sounds, that is how one of my friends (who is a lesbian) describes what it was like for her growing up :/
Don't know if it is true for all, probably not (very seldom is ONE thing true for everyone), but it seems to fit for some. |
For your friend, this situation may be true. However, I doubt it is the sole 'cause' of her being a lesbian. Unfortunately, one could take any type of growing up situation and say it is the 'cause' of XYZ and there will most likely be someone (or lots) who fits the profile, but making a blanket statement like this and saying lesbianism can be treated with psychotherapy is ludicrous. |
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12/09/2008 07:15:32 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by pidge:
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by pidge:
From the NARTH website:
Women who deal with same sex attraction, possess a history of disindentification with their mothers, and therefore with their femininity. This leads to a longing for connection with the feminine that becomes sexualized in adolescence or adulthood. Without a secure attachment to mother, she fails to identify with mother as a female role model losing the opportunity to develop trust and a healthy gender identity. Because of an empty or distorted view of her feminine self she has an inability to connect in a healthy way with other girls. Her sexual development is arrested.
This can create an underlying depression and anxiety within the little girl that may follow the remainder of her life. She does not have a sense of well-being and lives with restlessness within her as she searches for security and stability. She seeks validation for her dependency needs that were denied as a child and longs to be connected with a loving caretaker and ultimately with herself. Rather than finding the feminine within her, she looks to another woman to give her the identification and connection she is missing.
Like all other deep-seated identity issues, same sex attraction is difficult to overcome. Psychotherapy consists of understanding the emotional roots of the attraction, strengthening feminine identification, grieving the losses of childhood and learning to meet same sex needs for attention, affection and affirmation with emotional dependency and in a non-erotic manner.
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As odd as it sounds, that is how one of my friends (who is a lesbian) describes what it was like for her growing up :/
Don't know if it is true for all, probably not (very seldom is ONE thing true for everyone), but it seems to fit for some. |
For your friend, this situation may be true. However, I doubt it is the sole 'cause' of her being a lesbian. Unfortunately, one could take any type of growing up situation and say it is the 'cause' of XYZ and there will most likely be someone (or lots) who fits the profile, but making a blanket statement like this and saying lesbianism can be treated with psychotherapy is ludicrous. |
Don't know that I made that claim; I was just pointing out one friend's explanation of why she was a lesbian. I didn't say it; she did. :)
I guess you could counter with perhaps she feels that way because that was what she was taught by NARTH believing people to believe, but that kinda invalidates her, so I just take her explanation for what it is worth -- hers. |
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12/09/2008 08:05:54 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by pidge:
From the NARTH website:
Women who deal with same sex attraction, possess a history of disindentification with their mothers, and therefore with their femininity. This leads to a longing for connection with the feminine that becomes sexualized in adolescence or adulthood. Without a secure attachment to mother, she fails to identify with mother as a female role model losing the opportunity to develop trust and a healthy gender identity. Because of an empty or distorted view of her feminine self she has an inability to connect in a healthy way with other girls. Her sexual development is arrested.
This can create an underlying depression and anxiety within the little girl that may follow the remainder of her life. She does not have a sense of well-being and lives with restlessness within her as she searches for security and stability. She seeks validation for her dependency needs that were denied as a child and longs to be connected with a loving caretaker and ultimately with herself. Rather than finding the feminine within her, she looks to another woman to give her the identification and connection she is missing.
Like all other deep-seated identity issues, same sex attraction is difficult to overcome. Psychotherapy consists of understanding the emotional roots of the attraction, strengthening feminine identification, grieving the losses of childhood and learning to meet same sex needs for attention, affection and affirmation with emotional dependency and in a non-erotic manner.
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Hmmmm.... So, by this logic, lesbian parents would be ideal because you have not one, but two maternal figures in the child's life, and between the two of them, they will fulfill this mother as a female role, right? |
Hmmm.... so if a girl doesn't get along with her mother she'll become lesbian, and those who ARE close to their mothers won't?
I'll have to run that past my friend. Her mother didn't want her from the start, and at age 50 she's finally given up trying for any kind of relationship. She's straight.
Her lesbian daughter is the one of her three children she has always been closest with. |
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