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12/05/2008 11:14:06 PM · #51 |
| I blame fast food places! |
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12/05/2008 11:19:33 PM · #52 |
Let's try a counter example...
What works quite as nicely as 'epic fail'?
It's succinct, amusing, derisive, and rather poetic, in my opinion. It rolls off the tongue with a wonderful cadence. Eh PIC FAY uhl! It looks great in print, particularly with serifs. EPIC FAIL! It's so clipped that it has an air of finality to it.
Until something else comes along to supplant it, it's my go-to mock for less than apt compatriots. It's just so darn useful!
So, how would you linguistic conservatives translate that into 90's english?
Complete Failure?
Choke?
Pfft! Those suck. They are not nearly... epic enough! |
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12/05/2008 11:27:27 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Why not learn both? |
I have. |
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12/05/2008 11:29:31 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by Mousie:
I really don't understand... |
Apparently. |
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12/05/2008 11:30:11 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Knowledge for its own sake just ain't that cool it seems these days. |
Every time I catch myself making a generalization about an entire group of people I pause and ask myself what basis do I have to make such a generalization? Every single time I've done that I've ended up dismissing the generalization. Can you honestly say you've collected enough information to make such sweeping conclusions about an entire generation of people? I've had observations too but they are much different than what yours. In fact I am sometimes in awe with the way kids today can consume so much information in such a short period of time.
Message edited by author 2008-12-05 23:31:14. |
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12/05/2008 11:37:38 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Originally posted by Mousie:
I really don't understand... |
Apparently. |
Oh that's a constructive explanation!
"I don't understand" is just a polite way of suggesting that you're wholly misguided if you think you can use a word like 'exactly' in a debate about the true meanings of words... when the subjects you refer to are incontrovertibly NOT exactly the same... by way of offering you the opportunity to explain yourself.
So, how are they exactly the same again? As far as I can tell, the:
- Language changed
- Spelling changed
- Pronunciation changed
- Definition changed
Do you dispute any of that? Maybe your definiton of 'exactly' is different than mine?
Message edited by author 2008-12-05 23:50:37. |
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12/05/2008 11:39:46 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Knowledge for its own sake just ain't that cool it seems these days. |
Every time I catch myself making a generalization about an entire group of people I pause and ask myself what basis do I have to make such a generalization? Every single time I've done that I've ended up dismissing the generalization. Can you honestly say you've collected enough information to make such sweeping conclusions about an entire generation of people? I've had observations too but they are much different than what yours. In fact I am sometimes in awe with the way kids today can consume so much information in such a short period of time. |
N.A.D.D.
Check it! |
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12/06/2008 12:04:13 AM · #58 |
| No, I don't dispute that English is not Greek, that kappa is not English "c" or that English is not declined in the way Greek is, or that the Greeks of the eight century BCE probably didn't have American accents. On those three points you have indeed showed how perceptive you are. However, your literalism notwithstanding, the words are identical. |
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12/06/2008 12:29:57 AM · #59 |
I have two of them and I haven't done anything to them except give them all the choices they needed and let them make the decisions. They are strong headed individuals and are intelligent and outright in their thoughts and know what they want. They're respectful to others and know their place in this world. I gave them the freedom of choice and they are healthy minded people for it.
That's what I did to my children. :)
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12/06/2008 02:17:28 AM · #60 |
| Jac I thought the same thing when I read this. Three are 18+ years old and living life just as I had hoped, my youngest is 13 and very much looks up to her older siblings. They were/are not given all the gadgets everyone else is until they are responsible enough to pay for and use them (ie.. cell phones). They aren't allowed to date anyone until they are 16, they will finish school with good grades and they will attend college (associates degree paid for, anything past that they pay for). My kids are people I hoped they would be ... I've done my children right as they'd say here in the south! I can't be happier with them as young adults leading responsible lives :) |
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12/06/2008 06:01:50 AM · #61 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Knowledge for its own sake just ain't that cool it seems these days. |
Originally posted by yanko:
Every time I catch myself making a generalization about an entire group of people I pause and ask myself what basis do I have to make such a generalization? Every single time I've done that I've ended up dismissing the generalization. Can you honestly say you've collected enough information to make such sweeping conclusions about an entire generation of people? I've had observations too but they are much different than what yours. In fact I am sometimes in awe with the way kids today can consume so much information in such a short period of time. |
Originally posted by Mousie:
N.A.D.D.
Check it! |
Hey!
I only have five windows open right now......it's early and I'm relaxed.
I don't watch TV, not a sports hound, and I read voraciously.......everything from Reader's Digest to Sam Harris to Jeffrey Deaver to Robert Pirsig to Michener.
I don't have a short att.....Look! A leaf!
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12/06/2008 06:10:34 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Knowledge for its own sake just ain't that cool it seems these days. |
Originally posted by yanko:
Every time I catch myself making a generalization about an entire group of people I pause and ask myself what basis do I have to make such a generalization? Every single time I've done that I've ended up dismissing the generalization. Can you honestly say you've collected enough information to make such sweeping conclusions about an entire generation of people? I've had observations too but they are much different than what yours. In fact I am sometimes in awe with the way kids today can consume so much information in such a short period of time. |
Well, like I said in my post, I find myself in all kinds of different situations where I feel that I have to dumb it down when I try and communicate because in my observation, people don't have a lot going in the way of working vocabulary. That isn't necessarily generation specific, but I have noticed it more in the last twenty years. Maybe I've become more conscious of it and it's always been that way. I'm not an abnormally high intellect, and I don't think I'm necessarily sharper than the next guy, but it does seem that the urge to use what intellect I have is more pronounced than with most people I meet.
Hence the generalization.......and for the sake ofthe discussion, let's just call it this man's observation.
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12/06/2008 09:14:42 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by Katmystiry:
Jac I thought the same thing when I read this. Three are 18+ years old and living life just as I had hoped, my youngest is 13 and very much looks up to her older siblings. They were/are not given all the gadgets everyone else is until they are responsible enough to pay for and use them (ie.. cell phones). They aren't allowed to date anyone until they are 16, they will finish school with good grades and they will attend college (associates degree paid for, anything past that they pay for). My kids are people I hoped they would be ... I've done my children right as they'd say here in the south! I can't be happier with them as young adults leading responsible lives :) |
Glad to hear that Kat, it takes effort to do these things and sometimes we look like mean parents but in the end we know it'll serve them well. I too had rules similar to yours, like the girlfriend thing. My youngest has just started a relationship with a long time friend from school and he just turned 17 last month. My oldest was the same, girlfriends weren't an important part of his teenage years because I had taught them that being young is for playing and having fun, not being in a relationship and getting all serious about life. It wasn't a rule but they understood that it wasn't an important part of their young lives and judged by themselves whether they had to be like their friends.
Talking to them and explaining to them even at young ages about things they'll be experiencing is what prepares them for the world. Letting them get everything off tv or the from the popular crowd at school isn't the way to go because you have no control over what they are taught or exposed to.
I believe that the problem, for lack of a better word, is that parents do not get involved with their kids the way they should be. Kids absorb so much at a young age that we can't even grasp how much. I should have taught them another language like Spanish, they would have picked it up so easily. They speak English and French fluently and my oldest gets mistaken for a french person sometimes, as I do too, that just knocks my socks off. lol
One thing bothers me though and I think it's a universal problem, my oldest doesn't call enough to say hi. grrr lol I must have missed that topic of discussion while they were young, my bad. ;]
cheers
PS. I just want to say that my youngest son's average went up to 85 for the first term, his highest so far and I was wondering why he made that extra effort this year. It turns out his gf has a 90 average so that fact motivated him to do better. That's a scenario I never dreamed of. Now I don't want them to breakup. lol
Message edited by author 2008-12-06 09:18:32. |
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12/06/2008 12:11:47 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I looked for a while but couldn't find a quote I read where the speaker was lamenting about the new generation and its lack of education, morals, respect for elders etc. The quote fit perfectly with contemporary bitching, the only problem is it was done by someone either in Rome or Greece at some point BC. I think these feeling are natural and do not necessarily reflect an actual degredation. If they did, we must be a world worse than BC Greece since we've had so many generations in between.
At least that's what I tell myself... |
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
From Plato's republic, attributed to Socrates |
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