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12/05/2003 02:41:55 PM · #26 |
If the president wanted to be popular he could have done what Bill Clinton did. Take a poll and do whatever the poll said to do. Whenever a person decides to lead people usually polarize to the extremes on whether they believe in the policies.
What i find fun to watch is the name calling on both sides. If you really believe your opinion is correct should it not stand on its own validity.
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12/05/2003 04:41:58 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
id go canada. they have national health care too, and there not run by castro.. |
Quite true but the winter weather is kinda harsh. I was thinking something more tropical. Maybe Belize.... Hmmmm... |
I know, Iceland, that's it....
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12/05/2003 04:50:20 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Shadow Eagle:
If you really believe your opinion is correct should it not stand on its own validity. |
in a perfect world with a perfect race yes. however, we are far from both in this current reality. |
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12/05/2003 04:56:06 PM · #29 |
| Reality is an illusion. Most people take what they see and hear and make it fit their already preconcieved notions. |
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12/05/2003 05:23:33 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Shadow Eagle:
Reality is an illusion. Most people take what they see and hear and make it fit their already preconcieved notions. |
thats exactly right, but i was generalizing.
"We do not see things the way they are. We see things the way we are."
its a damn shame too.. :/ |
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12/05/2003 05:40:24 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Rooster:
Bush is a bad guy, he is exactly what he accuses Saddam to be because they are one & the same. |
Does Bush systematically kill hundreds of thousands of his own people? Rape our wives or kill our children to extort information from people? Does he make people live in squalor while he builds palace after palace? Does he have elections were he's the only one on the ballot? Are you executed if you run against him? Does he stand on the balcony of the Whitehouse shooting firearms in the air? Does he have his son-in-laws executed? Does he invade his neighbors? Does he torture and kill Olympic athletes because they "embarrassed" the country? Does he pop into congress, read a couple dozen names off a list and have them systematically taken out back and executed? Well, Saddam has done all of the above.
Now, what were all the "evil" things that Bush did again? |
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12/05/2003 05:56:11 PM · #32 |
thelsel
last time i saw the huge amount of taxes taken out of my paycheck i felt raped..
bush only rapes us all metaphoricly.
but seriously, my main complaint about bush is that he is taking us (and the world with us) in the wrong direction. we are in the middle of a war for oil (yes saddam was a bad guy, but thats not why were there) when we should be spending those hundreds of billions of dollars on technology for CLEAN ENERGY. if we keep going the way we are going w/ this huge oil consumption insantiy the world will be a cestpool for our children. |
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12/05/2003 06:14:40 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by KevinRiggs:
I can't imagine what I could do with 11mp crammed onto a 35mm sized sensor. |
Get a lot of extra noise ? Smaller and smaller pixels just mean the signal to noise ratio increases.
The real question is, how much of a market is there for higher resolution than 6Mp ? If you assume pixel coverage gets better than the current 28% or so, you'll get sharper, richer pictures with a 6Mp image. There is obviously an increasingly shrinking commercial market for higher resolutions (medium format/ large format photography isn't exactly a consumer market for example)
How many people really even need 6Mp ? You can easily take a 4Mp consumer cam picture to 11x14 for instance. |
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12/05/2003 07:07:34 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Get a lot of extra noise ? Smaller and smaller pixels just mean the signal to noise ratio increases. |
Except that isn't the case for the 1Ds (which does have 11MP on a full-size 35mm sensor.)
The 10D (or D60) has a 7.7 micron pixel-pitch. The 1Ds has an 8.8 micron pixel-pitch. So the pixels in the 1Ds are actually larger than the pixels in a 10D.
There is more information on the future of pixel counts in this article, which says:
Top cameras like the Canon 1Ds are already capable of higher resolution than our best lenses. If we add more pixels to get higher resolution it will be wasted, as the lenses can't use it. Adding more pixels to simply end up with bigger file sizes is no different than simply up-ressing a smaller file in Photoshop, and a lot more expensive.
Message edited by author 2003-12-05 19:13:14. |
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12/05/2003 07:40:44 PM · #35 |
| I thought we were through with the Propaganda Challenge? I̢۪m more worried about the Simplicity Challenge myself. It̢۪s unsophisticated. And hopefully nonpolitical. |
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12/05/2003 08:46:54 PM · #36 |
you guys(liberals) sound so bitter, seeing as the economy is now racing along and republicans have passed huge bipatisan liberal leaning bills recently, you got no chance in 04...BOW DOWN
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12/05/2003 08:53:47 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I honestly don't try to post anything defamatory myself -- I prefer to keep the argument rational if possible.
However, I have quite opposite impressions of Mr. Bush's character, intellect, integrity, and motivations than you seem to. But that's OK -- unless you've met him yourself, it's all really speculation on both our parts. |
why is meeting someone suddenly a prerequisite to determining someone's intellect? LAME
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12/05/2003 09:42:00 PM · #38 |
"why is meeting someone suddenly a prerequisite to determining someone's intellect? LAME"
agreed.
but he is still a tard ;) |
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12/05/2003 11:38:17 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by achiral:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I honestly don't try to post anything defamatory myself -- I prefer to keep the argument rational if possible.
However, I have quite opposite impressions of Mr. Bush's character, intellect, integrity, and motivations than you seem to. But that's OK -- unless you've met him yourself, it's all really speculation on both our parts. |
why is meeting someone suddenly a prerequisite to determining someone's intellect? LAME |
Excuse me?
It is lame to make my own judgement about someone's intellect by having a conversation with him, but judging his smarts and ethics (or lack thereof) from media sound bites and scripts released by his handlers is OK?
Gee, I thought I was trying to be respectful and not assume he's as callous, manipulative, and dishonest as the media makes him out to be, and that I'd try and reserve judgement ... but if you think I should base my evaluation solely by what can I see through the media then so be it .... |
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12/06/2003 12:09:42 AM · #40 |
| generalIE you converesed with bush? |
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12/06/2003 12:22:43 AM · #41 |
No, no, no ... I never said that. What I originally said was that I would prefer to not just assume the man a misanthrope based on media references, but that to truly make a valid judgement on the matter would likely require having a personal discussion with him.
Not likely, I know.
Now, if you want to "peaceably assemble and petition the governement for redress of grievances," you'll have to do so in the designated "Free Speech Zone," some half-mile away from the President and his minions (or is that handlers?).
Message edited by author 2003-12-06 00:24:08. |
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12/06/2003 12:29:22 AM · #42 |
president and his minions hah..
well being as we cant speak with him, nor will anyone ask him the 'right' questions for us, we must judge him on his actions and what the media reports about him.
i dont know about the rest of you, but this is what i see: GWB
im going to quote myself here being as this is my main 'anti bush' stand:
"but seriously, my main complaint about bush is that he is taking us (and the world with us) in the wrong direction. we are in the middle of a war for oil (yes saddam was a bad guy, but thats not why were there) when we should be spending those hundreds of billions of dollars on technology for CLEAN ENERGY. if we keep going the way we are going w/ this huge oil consumption insantiy the world will be a cestpool for our children." |
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12/06/2003 12:51:23 AM · #43 |
Now, what were all the "evil" things that Bush did again?[/quote]
Are you serious? What we know of Saddam is mostly propaganda, true or false. How come no one cared about all these things before Saddam invaded Kuwait? Back then, like Norega & Osama, he was "our" buddy.
Bush & the republican party has been sustematically redistricting states so they can win more electoral votes next election. Afterall, how quiet will the nation be if he STOLE 2 elections in a row?
Bush has decreased services available to veterans as well as those already serving this war of his so that when the troops come back they will have the luxary of living on the streets. And let's not forget about the veterans that returned from the first Gulf wa, who continue to suffer fron biological weaponry. They have NO health care. No one cares about them, do they? No, instead we kiss Bush's ass & proclaim him to be a hero!
Homelessness, especially in NYC, has sky rocketed.
Even before the war started, the military was in Bed-Stuy, one of the poorest communities in NYC, which receives no funding whatsoever from the federal or state govt, recruiting CHILDREN of colour for a possible draft. These are throw away Americans right? Yeah, Bush is really a good guy. You know how many children or family member of politians fought or will fight in this war? None. I say draft the ef-ing Bush twins so Bush can truely understand the ramifications of this war.
Jeb & the other republicans have tried (fortunately, in vain) to change Florida laws to prohibit & intimidate protesters.
Have you any idea what happened recently in Miami during the WTO conference? Hundreds of peace loving Americans were shot with rubber bullets, shot with bean bags filled with pellets, beaten, and gased, not to mention jailed for numberous days. This doesnt include the numerous folks that were arrested while trying to leave Miami AFTER the protests.
If you think the war in Iraq had anything to do with freeing Iraqi people from the clutches of Saddam and not everything to do with fulfilling Bush Sr.'s plans of taking over the oil in Afganistan & Iraq, subsequently giving America 100% control of the world's oil, then I am absolutely astonsihed! Did you know that this plan existed during the Reagan years? Bush Sr. failed to make this a reality during his presidency so he bought the presidency for his idiot son & here we are.
Bush is killing people. He is killing americans, both here and abroad, he is killing countless Iraqi children & adults.
You don;t have to believe me. Read it for yourself. Noam Chomsky wrote a series of essays based solely on declassified CIA files called "What Uncle Sam Reaaly Wants."
My truth is simply this- Governments are the same everywhere. They are run by humans that have been corrupted by power & greed. They will save no expense to maintain it. If you think that you & every other citizen is not expendable than my condolences to you. I hope that you will never have to realise this in your lifetime.texttext
Message edited by author 2003-12-06 00:52:43.
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12/06/2003 01:06:24 AM · #44 |
"You know how many children or family member of politians fought or will fight in this war? None."
accually there is one i read recently. but i belive that only compounds Roosters post ;)
well said. |
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12/06/2003 01:09:10 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
"You know how many children or family member of politians fought or will fight in this war? None."
accually there is one i read recently. but i belive that only compounds Roosters post ;)
well said. |
Thanks! I stand corrected... somewhat.
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12/06/2003 05:37:25 AM · #46 |
Besides the few mentions about photography and cameras here...who gives a flying F about Democrat or Republican. Get off it! Learn to pick the right one for the job and not by affiliation, that the bitching would be less.
Now lets get back to photoraphy. I would like to hear more on Nikons new lone predictions and if I should continue leaning more to the Canon 10D I have been salivating over |
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12/06/2003 12:21:49 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
Besides the few mentions about photography and cameras here...who gives a flying F about Democrat or Republican. Get off it! Learn to pick the right one for the job and not by affiliation, that the bitching would be less.
Now lets get back to photoraphy. I would like to hear more on Nikons new lone predictions and if I should continue leaning more to the Canon 10D I have been salivating over |
I heard that my camera is being discontinued? I suspect that this is because the SLR & Digital worlds are colliding bringing the two together. I wonder what this will mean in 2004 for those of us who have cameras like the 5050 and other similar ones.
I mean I lucked out on my camera & got it for far less than what the going price was. Having said that, I would love to have a SLR digial cam but cannot afford it.
Any thounghts on what this will mean for us poor slobs stuck with the same camera?
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