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Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/05/2008 10:43:04 AM · #51

Originally posted by yospiff:

A handful of 3's? Down to a 6.1111. Hmmm... The trolls must have been preoccupied voting somewhere else last night, and just woke up.

Probably up late, watching election results......but, a 6.111? Nothing to complain about there!

I've just dropped again. Any lower and I'll be owing points! ;)

Mark-A

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

11/05/2008 10:43:25 AM · #52

Originally posted by yospiff:

A handful of 3's? Down to a 6.1111. Hmmm... The trolls must have been preoccupied voting somewhere else last night, and just woke up.

Yep I have a handful of 2s and 3s in amongst 6s 7s and 8s and what really annoys me is that this is probably my most fitting challenge entry yet - Criteria wise it meets the challenge perfectly, is sharp, has some interest and the comments I have are really good. I know trolls cannot be weeded out (unfortunately) but a cursory look at who is online shows several new members with sub 3.5 average votes cast, with no images posted and no challenges entered :( The whole worlds a critic it seems (but the majority of it doesn't like to be critiqued).

I say we find them, download their memory card on to their profile and sling rotten tomatoes at them :)

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark III

11/05/2008 10:52:04 AM · #53

Originally posted by PhotoInterest:

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Probably up late, watching election results......but, a 6.111? Nothing to complain about there!

I'm not complaining at all! It was just an observation. Maybe one day I'll be one of the folks who can complain about a 6.1 being low, but that's going to be a while for me.

Message edited by author 2008-11-05 10:54:10.

colorcarnival

Olympus 45mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital

11/05/2008 12:06:40 PM · #54

Originally posted by yospiff:

Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
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Probably up late, watching election results......but, a 6.111? Nothing to complain about there!

I'm not complaining at all! It was just an observation. Maybe one day I'll be one of the folks who can complain about a 6.1 being low, but that's going to be a while for me.

Once you get scores above 6 it's like having a little treasure lol and when someone starts knocking down the score, it's like you are watching the gem just slip out of your hands. I guess it does not bother me when someone with a 6+ score makes a comment about how the troll voting has affected their results. I'm not sure why there seems to be a stigma of "complaining" once you have a 6+ score.

As for me, I'm loving the daytime voters - they put me over a 5! Whoo hoo. So now the trollies, go do your job and knock me back down.
Votes: 43
Views: 72
Avg Vote: 5.0233
Comments: 1

ThingFish

Olympus OM-D E-M5

Panasonic Leica DG Vario-Elmarit 8-18mm f/2.8-4 ASPH

11/05/2008 12:33:08 PM · #55

You have rated 133 of 133 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 18 images (14%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.4586

pastortimmr

Pentax K100D Super

Pentax SMC-F 50mm f/1.7

11/05/2008 12:34:30 PM · #56

Man. Every single week, my theory holds true (I posted it a few challenges ago). I don't know why, but every night I go to sleep and see my scores drop, and then they raise up little by little from day voters. (Pacific standard time) WHY ARE PEOPLE SO CRITICAL AT NIGHT? haha. anyway... started at 6.2500 and this morning...

Votes: 44
Views: 78
Avg Vote: 5.1136
Comments: 1

Maybe some daytime help to boost it back up?

I think I'll go leave some "anti-troll" scores right now!!!!

Message edited by author 2008-11-05 12:35:06.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/05/2008 01:45:36 PM · #57

Originally posted by pastortimmr:

I think it has to do with different parts of the world voting at different times, and the collective preferences of those folks. For instance, many of the US and Canadian members are voting while the lunch hour rolls across North America.

pastortimmr

Pentax K100D Super

Pentax SMC-F 50mm f/1.7

11/05/2008 02:53:11 PM · #58

Originally posted by yospiff:

Originally posted by pastortimmr:
Man. Every single week, my theory holds true (I posted it a few challenges ago). I don't know why, but every night I go to sleep and see my scores drop, and then they raise up little by little from day voters. (Pacific standard time) WHY ARE PEOPLE SO CRITICAL AT NIGHT?

I think it has to do with different parts of the world voting at different times, and the collective preferences of those folks. For instance, many of the US and Canadian members are voting while the lunch hour rolls across North America.

And maybe people are happier with food in their stomachs =o) haha.

BrianR

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

11/05/2008 02:55:38 PM · #59

Votes: 50
Views: 92
Avg Vote: 5.4600
Comments: 3

Thank you

ThingFishfor your comment and generous score.. but I am still falling..

Prash

Nikon D90

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

11/05/2008 02:57:13 PM · #60

Originally posted by pastortimmr:

Originally posted by yospiff:

Originally posted by pastortimmr:
Man. Every single week, my theory holds true (I posted it a few challenges ago). I don't know why, but every night I go to sleep and see my scores drop, and then they raise up little by little from day voters. (Pacific standard time) WHY ARE PEOPLE SO CRITICAL AT NIGHT?

I think it has to do with different parts of the world voting at different times, and the collective preferences of those folks. For instance, many of the US and Canadian members are voting while the lunch hour rolls across North America.

And maybe people are happier with food in their stomachs =o) haha.

:-) :-)

Message edited by author 2008-11-05 14:58:14.

11/05/2008 03:03:06 PM · #61

Originally posted by colorcarnival:

Originally posted by yospiff:

Originally posted by PhotoInterest:
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Probably up late, watching election results......but, a 6.111? Nothing to complain about there!

I'm not complaining at all! It was just an observation. Maybe one day I'll be one of the folks who can complain about a 6.1 being low, but that's going to be a while for me.

Once you get scores above 6 it's like having a little treasure lol and when someone starts knocking down the score, it's like you are watching the gem just slip out of your hands. I guess it does not bother me when someone with a 6+ score makes a comment about how the troll voting has affected their results. I'm not sure why there seems to be a stigma of "complaining" once you have a 6+ score.

As for me, I'm loving the daytime voters - they put me over a 5! Whoo hoo. So now the trollies, go do your job and knock me back down.
Votes: 43
Views: 72
Avg Vote: 5.0233
Comments: 1

They already hit me....and, are likely to hit me some more! :(

Votes: 54
Views: 83
Avg Vote: 4.7963
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0

Edited to add:

I think I will stop trying quite so hard on my shots in here only to have either Trolls or disgruntled voters shoot it down with silly 1's and 2's on an obviously not DNMC or bad entry. Either that, or start putting in photos WORTHY of a 1 or 2 or 3 score and let them go to town on it without feeling depressed over a lot of effort! *grin*

Message edited by author 2008-11-05 15:08:44.

11/05/2008 03:09:36 PM · #62

Originally posted by Prash:

Originally posted by pastortimmr:

Originally posted by yospiff:

Originally posted by pastortimmr:
Man. Every single week, my theory holds true (I posted it a few challenges ago). I don't know why, but every night I go to sleep and see my scores drop, and then they raise up little by little from day voters. (Pacific standard time) WHY ARE PEOPLE SO CRITICAL AT NIGHT?

I think it has to do with different parts of the world voting at different times, and the collective preferences of those folks. For instance, many of the US and Canadian members are voting while the lunch hour rolls across North America.

And maybe people are happier with food in their stomachs =o) haha.

:-) :-)

Either that, or they had a lousy lunch! ;)

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/05/2008 03:12:49 PM · #63

Originally posted by colorcarnival:

Once I'm out of the mediocre 5 range with a lot of effort, then I start to complain! ;-)

Wasn't calling that a complaint....but, rather giving Steve a pat on the back for GETTING into the 6 range! :)

BrianR

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

11/05/2008 03:26:49 PM · #64

Votes: 58
Views: 100

I will never understand why there is such a big difference in the views to votes,

I know that a lot just vote there required 20% I do believe this should be lifted to 50% to give a more even average across the challenge, and if you vote 100% you have seen all the submissions and voted on them all, this way you do not miss the photo you seem to be searching for.

kolasi

Nikon D300

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

11/05/2008 03:58:28 PM · #65

Votes: 64
Views: 121
Avg Vote: 6.7500
Comments: 11
Favorites: 2

going for a pb maybe...go figure

ti_evom

Pentax K-5

Pentax FA 31mm f/1.8 AL Limited AF

11/05/2008 04:00:52 PM · #66

Originally posted by BrianR:

Or, they could be like me and do not vote in the challenges they enter.

Hey voters! Would you mind telling me that you don't see the mirror? I'm a big boy, I can take it.

Votes: 53
Views: 92
Avg Vote: 5.5660
Comments: 3

11/05/2008 04:05:33 PM · #67

Originally posted by BrianR:

LOL Brian...I agree with you on this point.

It seems that in voting on only 20%, it doesn't make much sense, does it? What do people do in this case....search through the thumbnails and only vote on those 20% that catch eyes either because they are very good, or very bad and forget the middle ground shots? Or, as you have so nicely phrased it...."miss the photo you are searching for". *grin*

I know that in a huge challenge like a FS, I may not get through all 300 to 400 or more photos in order to vote. Time just doesn't always permit that kind of voting...at least, doing it properly or, without carpel tunnel syndrome setting in *grin*...but, if I am going to vote, I TRY hard to get to at least 50% to 75% before voting is over. It may take me several "sits" to do it, but I try my best. 20% just seems as though it's far too easy to vote by thumbnail.

Good points!

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

11/05/2008 04:08:44 PM · #68

Originally posted by ti_evom:

Originally posted by BrianR:
Votes: 58
Views: 100

I will never understand why there is such a big difference in the views to votes,

I know that a lot just vote there required 20% I do believe this should be lifted to 50% to give a more even average across the challenge, and if you vote 100% you have seen all the submissions and voted on them all, this way you do not miss the photo you seem to be searching for.

Or, they could be like me and do not vote in the challenges they enter.

Hey voters! Would you mind telling me that you don't see the mirror? I'm a big boy, I can take it.

Votes: 53
Views: 92
Avg Vote: 5.5660
Comments: 3

Well, I have a mirror in the shot, it's in focus, not overprocessed, has a composition and one nice comment that says that they liked the shot but........

Votes: 57
Views: 90
Avg Vote: 4.8070
Comments: 1

So, kinda makes one wonder, huh? :)

Edited to add:

I once proposed that we don't vote in the challenges that we enter into and I got a reasonable response..."Then, who would vote?" I did have a personal policy that I would comment but, not score in a challenge that I was entered into so as not to be biased in any way. However, now, I've decided to comment and only score in challenges where I feel that I can be objective...afterall, everyone else votes in challenges they enter. I will say though that I have a feeling that not all of the 1's, 2's and 3's that are being unfairly handed out are not necessarily ALL "Troll Votes". I've got a feeling that there are "statements" being made subtly by some of the scoring.

Message edited by author 2008-11-05 16:12:30.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

11/05/2008 04:11:53 PM · #69

The 20% was chosen to try and give everyone roughly the same number of votes. Statistically, if everyone voted on the first 20% shown to them, the number of votes everyone received would be very, very close.

If everyone starts "cherry picking," obviously that changes. But, I think enough people vote "in order" to keep it equitable.

Sony Sonnar T* 35mm F2.8 ZA

11/05/2008 04:18:11 PM · #70

Originally posted by karmat:

I can see this point. I have noticed that the numbers of votes cast are roughly similar, give or take 5 to 10 votes in challenges. (Comparing different photos and vote numbers cast). But, I do think that there are some who "cherry pick" and that can't be stopped, I know. I also recognize that people will go through, simply viewing the entire realm of photos in the challenge first. Equally, there are those who will go through them all, viewing and stop to vote/comment on the ones that catch their eyes for one reason or another (good or bad) and only choose those. Again, I know...no way to fix that...just that I'm very sure that it does happen. :)

Edited to add:

I see that in the Money Challenge for instance, the vote numbers ranged from 173 to 193....now, that one is a fairly significant number difference in this case. 20 extra votes or less votes does show that there is some "cherry picking" going on or, perhaps, "friend/team" voting???? Just an observation, nothing else.

Message edited by author 2008-11-05 16:23:50.

salmiakki

Sony Alpha a7R III

11/05/2008 04:25:34 PM · #71

Originally posted by BrianR:

Votes: 58
Views: 100

I will never understand why there is such a big difference in the views to votes,

Well, I for one have scrolled through the images at least twice. Once just to have a look and the second time to vote. Likelihood is I will go through a third time towards the end of voting to see if I need to bump some up. I'm sure I'm not the only one who does this.

Pentax D-FA* 70-200mm f/2.8 ED DC AW

11/05/2008 04:29:41 PM · #72

Originally posted by BrianR:

I know that a lot just vote there required 20% I do believe this should be lifted to 50% to give a more even average across the challenge, and if you vote 100% you have seen all the submissions and voted on them all, this way you do not miss the photo you seem to be searching for.

I think this would increase voting for an individual on a given challenge. However ultimately the same voting amount would occur. I prefer to vote on less and put more commenting effort into the ones I do vote on. I would rather vote 20-25% and comment more on those. I don't feel I need to see all of the entries in order to give them a fair vote. Sometimes I do want to see all the entries when I find the topic particularly interesting to me.

K3Master

Pentax K-3

11/05/2008 04:30:45 PM · #73

Originally posted by PhotoInterest:

Originally posted by karmat:
The 20% was chosen to try and give everyone roughly the same number of votes. Statistically, if everyone voted on the first 20% shown to them, the number of votes everyone received would be very, very close.

If everyone starts "cherry picking," obviously that changes. But, I think enough people vote "in order" to keep it equitable.

I can see this point. I have noticed that the numbers of votes cast are roughly similar, give or take 5 to 10 votes in challenges. (Comparing different photos and vote numbers cast). But, I do think that there are some who "cherry pick" and that can't be stopped, I know. I also recognize that people will go through, simply viewing the entire realm of photos in the challenge first. Equally, there are those who will go through them all, viewing and stop to vote/comment on the ones that catch their eyes for one reason or another (good or bad) and only choose those. Again, I know...no way to fix that...just that I'm very sure that it does happen. :)

Edited to add:

I see that in the Money Challenge for instance, the vote numbers ranged from 173 to 193....now, that one is a fairly significant number difference in this case. 20 extra votes or less votes does show that there is some "cherry picking" going on or, perhaps, "friend/team" voting???? Just an observation, nothing else.

Careful, you're almost sounding bitter and cynical ;)