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10/30/2008 06:05:23 PM · #26 |
From previous threads:
This is how I try (very hard) to vote:
1 > a technically (focus, exposure, balance, effects, lighting, sharpening, saturation, colour, cast, evidence of artifacts etc.) incompetent photo or an entirely unintelligible one (sometimes due to image size), an 'offensive' one to civilized nature or (even) a technically apt photo which 'clearly' demonstrates a 'failure of feeling'
2 > a technically lacking photo with little or no perceptible artistic (choice of subject, composition, perspective, manner, emotional energy and range, etc.) merit or interest, even when generously considered; a somewhat 'offensive' photo or a gross and inappropriate sentimentalization of feeling in the context of the challenge; the pursuit of cliché without room for even a latent interpretation (irony, allegory, metaphor etc.)
3 > a photo of mixed or questionable merit, both artistically and technically; a technically 'acceptable' one without marked artistic or journalistic interest; a sentimental or symptomatically 'commercialized' image designed to 'sell' a product or (worse! -of a person) of reasonable or considerable technical merit; a potentially 'interesting' or 'promising' photo (subject matter/perspective) with 'severe' technical flaws and/or without 'clear' intent or direction; a technically flawless image void of emotion and lacking sensory stimuli
4 > a 'pretty' photo reminiscent of many; an otherwise captivating image with one or more clearly distracting elements, either within the capture itself or via border and/or title; a technically accomplished photo relying predominantly on an idea, subject and/or title for impact; an artistically 'promising' capture with clearly noticeable technical defects, compositional issues or incongruous aesthetics; a technically 'stunning' capture otherwise bare of 'feeling' or aesthetic 'sense'
5 > a 'good' photo by most standards; one that communicates capably without necessarily teaching or exhilarating us; an artistically interesting photo pointing an unusual view, perspective or matter, even if it suffers from distinct technical 'flaws'; a technically 'stunning' capture with limiting human or artistic 'range'
6 > a remarkable image, well executed by most standards while allowing for some technical shortcomings not easily prevented or corrected; an ordinary or simple shot, perfectly timed or 'found' that tells an old story in a new way; a very personal take, a 'fresh' controversy with commotive qualities, but aesthetically 'exciting'; an image imitative within a 'classic' fashion, but well executed (i.e. landscape/portrait etc.)
7 > an outstanding photograph fit for both study and pleasure, while allowing for minor technical shortcomings, an accomplished imitation of a mode of seeing or rendering drawn or alluding to another medium including enduring snapshots or candids of remarkable human interest
8 > same as 7, but one that stimulates awareness and taxes the senses, technically accomplished, with near-imperceptible flaws, if not entirely flawless; clearly 'innovative' photographs pointing a little known interest, direction or delight
9 > same as 8, technically without a fault, but a photo which commotes 'perceived' reality to the point of restlessness and action
10 > an enduring photo that challenges the order of gods and the world, one holding its own alongside any other.
On (Challenge) Topicality
Limiting potentially immeasurable choices to a defined subject or a chosen category of photography, really, should stimulate creativity, not hamper it. Topics, IMO, are or should be there for the benefit of the photographer, not for the untaxed glee of some voters swinging a bat.
I do not penalize entries for failing to meet the challenge. I may award a higher score to a unique interpretation or to a finesse I recognize, but I cannot, in good conscience, penalize something or someone for a fault that may lie within me and not with a picture.
I have seen and continue to see perfectly good photographs here penalized for exceeding the appreciative capacity of voters to recognize an entry for the poignant topicality it may demonstrate. If I consider the photo remarkable (artistically very interesting), I may just decide to award the highest mark possible in the faint hope to compensate for a predictably overall devaluation.
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10/30/2008 06:27:43 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by 3DsArcher:
I only vote on what I think should come first, second or third so I vote 1 for first, 2 for second & 3 for third |
Did I understand correctly that you give your favourite image to win a 1....?
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10/30/2008 06:58:56 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by LadyTara:
Originally posted by 3DsArcher:
I only vote on what I think should come first, second or third so I vote 1 for first, 2 for second & 3 for third |
Did I understand correctly that you give your favourite image to win a 1....? |
I thought that is how it was supposed to be done. And, when I can't decide a favorite between two or three photos I just give them all 1's. :P |
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10/30/2008 07:52:48 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by LadyTara:
Originally posted by 3DsArcher:
I only vote on what I think should come first, second or third so I vote 1 for first, 2 for second & 3 for third |
Did I understand correctly that you give your favourite image to win a 1....? |
Only if I want it to come first but if it's a better photograph than mine, I turn into a troll & give it a ten because there is nothing worse than recieving one of those horrible tens
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10/30/2008 08:09:53 PM · #30 |
Thanks for the input, and I apologize again for cranking up a dead horse topic again. Probably the best insight I got from this is that most of the folks who dish out the low votes without telling you why it sucks are also the ones who don't participate in the forums.
Ah, well, I am leaning more and more towards doing what I like and if the high votes come they come. (If the low votes come, then I have my shoehorns to comfort me.) I am also learning to interpret the voting breakdown and comments. If I get a 5+ score with no seriously negative comments, and some good ones, then it is a sign that I did well, but was lacking broad appeal and/or wow factor.
Thanks again. I'll drag the dead horse outside in just a bit.
Message edited by author 2008-10-30 20:10:20. |
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10/30/2008 08:25:15 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by yospiff:
So, what I want to know, is this: If you tend to give 2's and 3's to entries that most members would consider to be at least a decent effort, what is your criteria? |
Seldom vote below a 3 so I can't help much on this question. Like you, small sized entries will ruin otherwise decent attempts. Most of my 1's and 2's are triggered by disgust so I guess your "like, dislike" theory works there.
Originally posted by yospiff:
I am trying to gain some insight so that I don't get insulted when people give my entry an extremely low vote.
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Voting never insults me. I make that decision, to never let a vote insult or make me angry. I control that. So maybe your solution could be the same. I'm more sensitive to comments. But usually after reading over it several times I can find a grain of insight in the comment and it bothers me no more. |
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10/30/2008 08:34:06 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by bobnospum:
1
- DNMC
2
- I am almost certain it is DNMC
3
- Only meets the challenge by using the title or by using such a broad interpretation that the photographer really needs to try harder to find a suitable subject.
- Focus/white balance/tilt really off
- Disgusting subject: dog poop, graphic violence, so offensive to me that I can not even look at it for another second
4
- Reasonable attempt that shows promise but is lacking in Focus/white balance/tilt/compostion in some way
5
- Average DPC photo. Not great but ok. Needs slight improvement in focus/composttion etc.
6
- Above averaage DPC photo. Technically needs little improvement but only has a little wow factor.
- Would be a 5 but made me laugh
7
- Like 6, but has a Good wow factor.
- Would be a 5, but I fell off my chair laughing.
8
- Like 6 but has a Great wow factor.
9
- Like 6 but has an Excellent wow factor.
10
- My picks for top 2-5 photos depending on the challenge.
Ohh and if it has a metal shoehorn in it, it gets a +2 added to it :)
I'd give the drill team a 4, maybe a five.
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I'd agree with the above, basically this is how I to would mark. I must admit I seldom give 3 or below, I don't think I've ever given a 1 ( I have received them however ) |
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10/30/2008 08:40:10 PM · #33 |
I only vote 1s, 2s and 3s on the most appalling shots lately using the chart I set out in another thread.
I think people that vote low mostly are new to the site and occassionally when I see a low vote come in I look to see who is online and voting, just so happens I have just seen one and then found this user who is currently handing out 1s and 2s for fun... :(
ETA: Or was, just jumped 30 odd votes in less than a minute, how the hell do they vote this fast?
Message edited by author 2008-10-30 20:42:42. |
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10/30/2008 08:40:48 PM · #34 |
Just to drive this whole insane thing home, one of my entries just got a 9, followed a few minutes later by a 2!!
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10/30/2008 08:43:12 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Mark-A:
just so happens I have just seen one and then found this user who is currently handing out 1s and 2s for fun... :( |
Interesting. You actually found a live troll. Hurry up and set out the troll traps! |
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10/30/2008 08:43:50 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by 3DsArcher:
Originally posted by LadyTara:
Originally posted by 3DsArcher:
I only vote on what I think should come first, second or third so I vote 1 for first, 2 for second & 3 for third |
Did I understand correctly that you give your favourite image to win a 1....? |
Only if I want it to come first but if it's a better photograph than mine, I turn into a troll & give it a ten because there is nothing worse than recieving one of those horrible tens |
I can't quite tell if you're being serious or not, so I'm just gonna politely assume that you're a little bit wacky. ;)
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10/30/2008 08:47:12 PM · #37 |
I'd give the drill team a 5 cause I like the lines and comp.
I very rarely give a score of less than 4. hHere is how I generally vote:
1 - oof, can barely tell what it is, usually cluttered or messy to look at
2 - same as 1 but maybe part of it is in focus in attempt to create a focal point;
3 - same as 2 but some more attempts at composition has been made;
4 - nice concept, ok technicals, but comp sloppy or boring;
5 - good technicals but idea not very inspired or original;
6 - good techs, shows an interesting or unusual concept;
7 - good techs, great concept, daring comp;
8 - good techs, clean and simple idea strongly conveyed;
9 - great techs, everything exactly spot-on, no hesitation in telling what concept is; also I issue 'auto 9s' for ANY shot that makes me laugh out loud esp at say a public computer!
10 - Fantastic techs, great subject, to-die-for pov, the concept jumps out and smacks you in the face.
And I mostly fave pics I wish I had shot. |
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10/30/2008 08:49:23 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
And I mostly fave pics I wish I had shot. |
Well that is not very nice Susan, you have not fav'd any of mine ;) Heh - guess I will have to try harder :) |
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10/30/2008 09:06:50 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Mark-A:
I only vote 1s, 2s and 3s on the most appalling shots lately using the chart I set out in another thread.
I think people that vote low mostly are new to the site and occassionally when I see a low vote come in I look to see who is online and voting, just so happens I have just seen one and then found this user who is currently handing out 1s and 2s for fun... :(
ETA: Or was, just jumped 30 odd votes in less than a minute, how the hell do they vote this fast? |
I guess it's cause they zoom through pics tossing out low votes while barely even looking at each shot. The user should be suspended in my opinion. I'd write them an irate PM if I thought there was any point.
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10/30/2008 09:16:12 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
And I mostly fave pics I wish I had shot. |
Nine of mine in there. I'll have to try harder. |
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10/30/2008 09:20:12 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by bobnospum:
1
- DNMC
2
- I am almost certain it is DNMC
3
- Only meets the challenge by using the title or by using such a broad interpretation that the photographer really needs to try harder to find a suitable subject.
- Focus/white balance/tilt really off
- Disgusting subject: dog poop, graphic violence, so offensive to me that I can not even look at it for another second
4
- Reasonable attempt that shows promise but is lacking in Focus/white balance/tilt/compostion in some way
5
- Average DPC photo. Not great but ok. Needs slight improvement in focus/composttion etc.
6
- Above averaage DPC photo. Technically needs little improvement but only has a little wow factor.
- Would be a 5 but made me laugh
7
- Like 6, but has a Good wow factor.
- Would be a 5, but I fell off my chair laughing.
8
- Like 6 but has a Great wow factor.
9
- Like 6 but has an Excellent wow factor.
10
- My picks for top 2-5 photos depending on the challenge.
Ohh and if it has a metal shoehorn in it, it gets a +2 added to it :)
I'd give the drill team a 4, maybe a five.
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Yup. This is basically me. I rarely ever give less than a four. Acutally, I can only only remember once. |
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10/30/2008 09:20:44 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
From previous threads:
This is how I try (very hard) to vote... |
You forgot to include the charts and graphs. Seriously though, the site would benefit greatly if this sort of approach to voting was encouraged. It wouldn't have to be as complex as your way, just something that took into account more things besides wow factor and instant theme recognition (i.e. the only two things you need to concern yourself in order to ribbon). Actually, wow factor would probably be enough if it weren't for the fact that many confuse wow factor with just using good equipment. For example, super sharp tends to pass for wow factor when in fact it should just mean you used a quality lense, nothing more.
Message edited by author 2008-10-30 21:25:06. |
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10/30/2008 09:24:05 PM · #43 |
bob I suggest this back in this thread
How we should vote:
10 = Perfect | 9 = Almost Perfect | 8 = Excellent Picture | 7 = VERY Good Picture | 6 = Great Shot | 5 = Average shot Needs work
4 = Thanks for entering | 3 = Lighting, angle, subject, and/or clarity is not right | 2 = What were you thinking? | 1 = You Shouldn̢۪t have entered this challenge.
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10/30/2008 10:28:19 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Mark-A:
I have just ... found this ... who is currently handing out 1s and 2s for fun... :( |
Doesn't this sort of voting get scrubbed? I don't know the algorithm, but I thought there is an attempt to recognize obvious malicious voting. Don't tell the guy he's wasting his time. |
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10/30/2008 10:51:44 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by JuliBoc:
Originally posted by Mark-A:
I have just ... found this ... who is currently handing out 1s and 2s for fun... :( |
Doesn't this sort of voting get scrubbed? I don't know the algorithm, but I thought there is an attempt to recognize obvious malicious voting. Don't tell the guy he's wasting his time. |
Although it looks suspicious I don't see how you can conclude this is an obvious case of malicious voting. First, he hasn't submitted to a challenge yet so you can't argue that he is voting everyone down in a futile attempt to boost his own placement. Second, we don't know how his votes break down so unless his votes have been favoring someone in particular (i.e. gives just Mr X high votes but everyone else 1s) then his voting is harmless and not malicious. At least no more malicious than someone who only uses the 4-6 voting scale or the 7-9 voting scale, etc.
Message edited by author 2008-10-30 22:52:27. |
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