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10/16/2008 10:08:17 PM · #76 |
Karmat you're right, sometimes it's fun just to enter to have fun with it, but to those who do that, don't go on griping in the forums that you're scoring low.
And Jhomrighaus... you have your right to disagree with your perception on how I said what I said, but if you knew me, you'd realize that I'm not one to ruffle feathers, I just was putting out food for thought.
-danny |
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10/16/2008 10:08:45 PM · #77 |
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10/16/2008 10:32:07 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by crabappl3:
Karmat you're right, sometimes it's fun just to enter to have fun with it, but to those who do that, don't go on griping in the forums that you're scoring low.
-danny |
As my 4.6 average (574 challenges so far) will attest, I'll enter a shot I find interesting, provocative, serendipitous, or experimental in technique or subject. I rarely complain about scores, and as a rule find that one comment like this is worth a passel of ones from people looking for eye-candy, who bit into a habañero instead ...
Originally posted by Blackbox:
You know what? The photo is horrible to me. But wait please: for the challenge it is absolutely perfect and beautiful. It is truly abstract and pure emotion. I'm hoping this one is in the top 10 but I'm afraid most people here are not here to think about what they are looking at or it's a secondary issue at best. Good luck ... |
Surprisingly, it finished slightly above my overall average ... ;-)
Score Ranking Percentile
4.7021 119 / 139 14% |
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10/16/2008 10:33:05 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by crabappl3:
Karmat you're right, sometimes it's fun just to enter to have fun with it, but to those who do that, don't go on griping in the forums that you're scoring low.
And Jhomrighaus... you have your right to disagree with your perception on how I said what I said, but if you knew me, you'd realize that I'm not one to ruffle feathers, I just was putting out food for thought.
-danny |
Fair enough.
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10/16/2008 10:42:07 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by jhomrighaus:
Originally posted by crabappl3:
Karmat you're right, sometimes it's fun just to enter to have fun with it, but to those who do that, don't go on griping in the forums that you're scoring low.
And Jhomrighaus... you have your right to disagree with your perception on how I said what I said, but if you knew me, you'd realize that I'm not one to ruffle feathers, I just was putting out food for thought.
-danny |
Fair enough. |
Peace |
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10/17/2008 09:11:45 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by crabappl3:
Karmat you're right, sometimes it's fun just to enter to have fun with it, but to those who do that, don't go on griping in the forums that you're scoring low.
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But, even if I don't complain about my scores for my "fun" shots (which I don't think I've done, but in almost 7 years, anything is possible), posts like your OP make it feel like I am sullying the image of dpc by not submitting the best of the best that I have to offer. In order to keep the quality of images improving (which I don't think is possible, or wise), I need to stop having fun (and GeneralE, and several others that I can think of that enter what pleases them rather than what pleases the majority), and enter only when I am serious.
I think most people complaining about their score genuinely feel they had a good picture -- for whatever reason. At least when the complaining starts.
So, it is really two separate issues to me -- what is submitted and how the photographer reacts to feedback.
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10/17/2008 09:37:58 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by yanko:
The problem I see is too many simply take the challenge as a high school assignment, that is treat it as if you don't care and you have better things to do. |
Psssst.... I got lots of better things to do.... Every day... For starters there is supporting my family, and the list just grows from there. I photograph if and when I have the time. My skills and results are a testimony to that fact. I envy those who have made more time, more have resources. Even though I sometimes wish I was more like them, I have to accept the fact that I must not care enough, as I have been unwilling to make the sacrifices they have made. (I don't for a moment think that all they have came with no cost.)
I do care, to a certain extent. But while you may be only satisfied with a ribbon, or a top ten... I am satisfied when I do a little better than last time, or do better than what I estimated my score would be. It really makes my day when GeneralE or Karmat has a photo that scores low enough that I can finish ahead of them. I don't know that the site council was picked on photographic prowess, but I like to pretend that they are masters, I had just beat one....
We are two different people, with two different agendas. I hope DPC is big enough for us both.
PS: I think any school assignment, even regular homework, is a helluva lot more important than a challenge. |
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10/24/2008 01:42:02 PM · #83 |
who am i? just a guy, using photography to further his artistic notions. my sentiments echo a few posts here, in that ..sure a photo may be technically sound, well executed, and wonderfully processed, but is absolutely boring. i don't participate in the challenges because i don't think i can compete with the boring, albeit technically perfect, submissions. i actually almost confused this place as a stock photography joint when first browsing around.
people are far too concerned with sharpness, pixel count, gear, and ribbons. in return, they have sacrificed their sole of artistic quality. or maybe they simply don't have any artistic vision to begin with and try to compensate with everything else.
yes, i am an elitist. this problem is not unique to DPC and natural selection will bring photography full circle back to an art form and away from a revenue model for every tom, dick, and jane that thinks they're creative. |
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10/24/2008 01:52:34 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by Thaddeus_Smith:
yes, i am an elitist. this problem is not unique to DPC and natural selection will bring photography full circle back to an art form and away from a revenue model for every tom, dick, and jane that thinks they're creative. |
A lot of very memorable photography isn't art either... the photojournalist has captured moments in history that make us reflect on the event, or ourselves. To say that photography is only for elitist artist is just as nieve as saying that most images on DPC are technically good but lack soul. I think the soul of a photograph is in the photographer and his passion for what he's take photographs of... be that being said, just because you're into taking photographs of your toddler, doesn't necessarily mean that you've created a photograph that is either a) art, or b) an image that reflects your soul/passion or makes the view reflect inwardly on the photo. There is a time and place for cute snapshots of your children/animal/car/etc., but even the most techincally perfect image of these can still come across boring if you don't have passion and soul in the shot. I know, I've entered many of these types of photos in challenges and they score low due to their lacking in emotion.
-danny |
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10/24/2008 02:07:15 PM · #85 |
| a very accurate and fair response. this argument is not new, nor is it unique to photography. i'll probably piss off more people than i inspire; i'm ok with that. i simply wish people spent more time pondering those who might gaze upon their images and less time about everything else. self-filtering would go a long way for a lot of people, regardless of the medium. |
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10/24/2008 02:08:55 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by Thaddeus_Smith:
who am i? just a guy, using photography to further his artistic notions. my sentiments echo a few posts here, in that ..sure a photo may be technically sound, well executed, and wonderfully processed, but is absolutely boring. i don't participate in the challenges because i don't think i can compete with the boring, albeit technically perfect, submissions. i actually almost confused this place as a stock photography joint when first browsing around.
people are far too concerned with sharpness, pixel count, gear, and ribbons. in return, they have sacrificed their sole of artistic quality. or maybe they simply don't have any artistic vision to begin with and try to compensate with everything else.
yes, i am an elitist. this problem is not unique to DPC and natural selection will bring photography full circle back to an art form and away from a revenue model for every tom, dick, and jane that thinks they're creative. |
This is by far one of the worst posts in a long time.
I am definitely not an artist, nor a good photography, and quite frankly score poorly at challenges.
But to pigeonhole People, this Site, and Photography is quite a simpleton mindset.
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10/24/2008 02:20:58 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by jaysonmc:
Originally posted by Thaddeus_Smith:
who am i? just a guy, using photography to further his artistic notions. my sentiments echo a few posts here, in that ..sure a photo may be technically sound, well executed, and wonderfully processed, but is absolutely boring. i don't participate in the challenges because i don't think i can compete with the boring, albeit technically perfect, submissions. i actually almost confused this place as a stock photography joint when first browsing around.
people are far too concerned with sharpness, pixel count, gear, and ribbons. in return, they have sacrificed their sole of artistic quality. or maybe they simply don't have any artistic vision to begin with and try to compensate with everything else.
yes, i am an elitist. this problem is not unique to DPC and natural selection will bring photography full circle back to an art form and away from a revenue model for every tom, dick, and jane that thinks they're creative. |
This is by far one of the worst posts in a long time.
I am definitely not an artist, nor a good photography, and quite frankly score poorly at challenges.
But to pigeonhole People, this Site, and Photography is quite a simpleton mindset. |
thank you! it's nice to have someone actually voice an opinion, even if it offends. my philosophy is this: to garner serious reaction, positive or negative, from those who view it ..that is art.
what point is there in putting out images that everyone loves, or horribly, receives no reaction whatsoever? my comments are not pidgeon-holing this site or it's members. my views apply to everything from wood carving to poetry writing. there used to be a time when people would devote everything they had to a single craft ...they were called artisans, and it showed. i very little dedication to such things these days; everyone has a catalogue of hobbies ..very few have a single craft.
call me narrow minded if you will, i simply have a different standard of what is great and what is crap. |
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10/24/2008 02:24:25 PM · #88 |
| btw jayson ..I looked at your website and you have some fantastic art. but i can understand why they don't do well here; they're outside the mold of DPC's current trends, which i believe is the point of this whole thread. |
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10/24/2008 02:29:30 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by Thaddeus_Smith:
btw jayson ..I looked at your website and you have some fantastic art. but i can understand why they don't do well here; they're outside the mold of DPC's current trends, which i believe is the point of this whole thread. |
Agreed
-danny |
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10/24/2008 02:31:31 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by Thaddeus_Smith:
btw jayson ..I looked at your website and you have some fantastic art. but i can understand why they don't do well here; they're outside the mold of DPC's current trends, which i believe is the point of this whole thread. |
Maybe, just maybe, if we got more people with this mindset participating and making an effort to spread their vision(s) around a little, we could see a little change get slowly implemented.
Maybe.
Or not. |
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10/24/2008 02:34:41 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by Thaddeus_Smith:
btw jayson ..I looked at your website and you have some fantastic art. but i can understand why they don't do well here; they're outside the mold of DPC's current trends, which i believe is the point of this whole thread. |
Maybe, just maybe, if we got more people with this mindset participating and making an effort to spread their vision(s) around a little, we could see a little change get slowly implemented.
Maybe.
Or not. |
point noted; I will start putting in some effort and words into action. |
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10/24/2008 02:38:45 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by Thaddeus_Smith:
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by Thaddeus_Smith:
btw jayson ..I looked at your website and you have some fantastic art. but i can understand why they don't do well here; they're outside the mold of DPC's current trends, which i believe is the point of this whole thread. |
Maybe, just maybe, if we got more people with this mindset participating and making an effort to spread their vision(s) around a little, we could see a little change get slowly implemented.
Maybe.
Or not. |
point noted; I will start putting in some effort and words into action. |
Note that I don't mean necessarily submitting to challenges or what-not, but I do think that it's nice to have some opposing views being thrown around in the form of comments, threads, ideas, etc. The more we have, the less likely that the Lone Ranger will get attacked by the masses ;)
Hi Ho Silver! |
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10/24/2008 03:06:36 PM · #93 |
I've skipped a little of this thread because I am running out of time, but something struck me whilst I was reading through it.
Wouldn't it be cool to have the normal challenges we have now but also have one with minimal editing rules, I mean have this every week or even every fortnight, either as an added open or an added member challenge, I believe this would really benefit the site in general and also benefit some of the newer photog's as they would be getting more beneficial advice on actually taking the image more than the PP applied...
Just my 2c ;) |
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10/24/2008 03:09:15 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by Mark-A:
I've skipped a little of this thread because I am running out of time, but something struck me whilst I was reading through it.
Wouldn't it be cool to have the normal challenges we have now but also have one with minimal editing rules, I mean have this every week or even every fortnight, either as an added open or an added member challenge, I believe this would really benefit the site in general and also benefit some of the newer photog's as they would be getting more beneficial advice on actually taking the image more than the PP applied...
Just my 2c ;) |
isn't that what the open (non-paying members) challenges are? |
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10/24/2008 03:11:36 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by Thaddeus_Smith:
Originally posted by Mark-A:
I've skipped a little of this thread because I am running out of time, but something struck me whilst I was reading through it.
Wouldn't it be cool to have the normal challenges we have now but also have one with minimal editing rules, I mean have this every week or even every fortnight, either as an added open or an added member challenge, I believe this would really benefit the site in general and also benefit some of the newer photog's as they would be getting more beneficial advice on actually taking the image more than the PP applied...
Just my 2c ;) |
isn't that what the open (non-paying members) challenges are? |
No, those are BASIC editing. Minimal editing allows NO EDITING at all, straight-from-camera. We rarely see minimal challenges, some like them...
R. |
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10/24/2008 03:13:07 PM · #96 |
| gotcha, good clarification ..tks. |
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10/24/2008 03:24:53 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by Mark-A:
I've skipped a little of this thread because I am running out of time, but something struck me whilst I was reading through it.
Wouldn't it be cool to have the normal challenges we have now but also have one with minimal editing rules, I mean have this every week or even every fortnight, either as an added open or an added member challenge, I believe this would really benefit the site in general and also benefit some of the newer photog's as they would be getting more beneficial advice on actually taking the image more than the PP applied...
Just my 2c ;) |
I think threads and side-challenges using "straight from camera" type editing and feedback for such would benefit people far more than regular challenges of that type. There's no doubt that learning your camera is a wonderful thing, but when it comes to a final image for contests/etc, it's probably better to stick to more relaxed and flexible rule-sets. Post-processing is as much photography as clicking the shutter, and while the occasional challenge in minimal is fun, regular ones would probably lead to more frustrations than benefits.
Just my 2c ;) |
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10/24/2008 03:27:05 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by Thaddeus_Smith:
point noted; I will start putting in some effort and words into action. |
Entering challenges is good but not necessary, working on producing quality images you find desirable will in the end will be the most rewarding. Every image on this site can't be below your standard, find the ones you do find interesting and comment on them. Encourage those photographers to enter challenges, or if you find images by photographers who do win ribbons but have entered something out of their norm that you find more exciting, encourage them to keep exploring that avenue. I think so many times if people spent more times analyzing the large catalogue of images on DPC by many talented photographers, looking for those great hidden gems, then spending time griping about the 9 images on the front page, DPC would be a place where different types of images would get praise, photos with more depth would rise in the ranks. You have only looked at 46 images, made no comments or voted on any challenge, you need to be part of the solution you desire. |
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10/24/2008 03:31:15 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by jdannels:
you need to be part of the solution you desire. |
you are correct gandhi. which is why i signed up for paid membership today and started looking at things. i need a little more than an hour to implement what i said i would do. ... |
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10/24/2008 03:33:49 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by Thaddeus_Smith:
Originally posted by jdannels:
you need to be part of the solution you desire. |
you are correct gandhi. which is why i signed up for paid membership today and started looking at things. i need a little more than an hour to implement what i said i would do. ... |
Welcome to DPC! Looking forward to seeing what you do. :) |
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