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10/20/2008 09:30:19 PM · #1176 |
Originally posted by quiet_observation:
Any suggestions for the next Suck home name? |
Team Suck Couch....Get Comfy....
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10/20/2008 09:31:39 PM · #1177 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Votes: 88
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Avg Vote: 6.5227
Comments: 9
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Oh, Susan! Terrific!!!
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10/20/2008 11:33:49 PM · #1178 |
The Suck Palace
It sounds like a place with sticky seats where you watch old movies that didn't sell well when they were first released. |
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10/21/2008 05:47:04 AM · #1179 |
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10/21/2008 06:49:07 AM · #1180 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
The Suck Palace
It sounds like a place with sticky seats where you watch old movies that didn't sell well when they were first released. |
Home from home. |
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10/21/2008 07:30:52 AM · #1181 |
| Momentary rant.... I realize that sometimes clarification is requested so a photographer has a better idea of what might be expected in a challenge. But the whole endless back and forth on the wildlife scores thread really is beginning to irk me. The challenge is a delight to vote. Lots of different things to see, lots of different kinds of photographs. All (for the most part) in keeping with the spirit of the challenge. Yet endless amounts of energy are spent arguing what is and is not a true "wildlife" shot. Perhaps some of that energy could be devoted to leaving constructive comments? Viewing other postings on the site? Shooting for the next challenge? Ah well. I know MUCH better - it is this way, has been this way, and will be this way until the site dissolves. Just venting.... |
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10/21/2008 07:32:38 AM · #1182 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Momentary rant.... I realize that sometimes clarification is requested so a photographer has a better idea of what might be expected in a challenge. But the whole endless back and forth on the wildlife scores thread really is beginning to irk me. The challenge is a delight to vote. Lots of different things to see, lots of different kinds of photographs. All (for the most part) in keeping with the spirit of the challenge. Yet endless amounts of energy are spent arguing what is and is not a true "wildlife" shot. Perhaps some of that energy could be devoted to leaving constructive comments? Viewing other postings on the site? Shooting for the next challenge? Ah well. I know MUCH better - it is this way, has been this way, and will be this way until the site dissolves. Just venting.... |
Almost enough to make me glad I was sick all week so I did not shoot for it. Almost.
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10/21/2008 07:41:15 AM · #1183 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Momentary rant.... I realize that sometimes clarification is requested so a photographer has a better idea of what might be expected in a challenge. But the whole endless back and forth on the wildlife scores thread really is beginning to irk me. The challenge is a delight to vote. Lots of different things to see, lots of different kinds of photographs. All (for the most part) in keeping with the spirit of the challenge. Yet endless amounts of energy are spent arguing what is and is not a true "wildlife" shot. Perhaps some of that energy could be devoted to leaving constructive comments? Viewing other postings on the site? Shooting for the next challenge? Ah well. I know MUCH better - it is this way, has been this way, and will be this way until the site dissolves. Just venting.... |
I agree. It's crazy how everyone seems to look for any little thing to vote down any more. There really are people on here who think their own little bit of the world is as big as the world is. Shame on them ;P |
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10/21/2008 08:17:15 AM · #1184 |
I am back in full force, gang. I have a new Nikon D60 and I am going into stock photography with a passion ... Please feel free to email me with any and all thoughts or advice regarding Stock Phography and/or Processing Raw Images and/or Contest and/or Fine Art Photography ...
I have decided to drop pretty much all else and see if I can be a full time photographer.
:)
All comments welcome. Please feel free to email me via Greetmir@yahoo.com with your comments in order not to monopolize this thread ...
see yas ...
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10/21/2008 08:24:35 AM · #1185 |
*edited out my rant against useless microstock agencies stealing photography because I can send that by pm. lol
Message edited by author 2008-10-21 08:28:12.
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10/21/2008 08:36:51 AM · #1186 |
| Argghhh, Ernie - I certainly didn't mean for you to go join in the fracas....... in order to preserve my sanity, I just set the damn Wildlife Scores thread to ignore! :-) |
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10/21/2008 08:38:33 AM · #1187 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
I agree. It's crazy how everyone seems to look for any little thing to vote down any more. There really are people on here who think their own little bit of the world is as big as the world is. Shame on them ;P |
Then you have never been affected by this situation before. I am not in this challenge, but it is impossible to argue that a zoo shot is a photograph of an animal "in it's natural environment" as the challenge description reads.
If you had spent many, many hours shooting wildlife as I have, you would not have the gall so say "shame on them". Someone who gets peeved because their once in a lifetime shot that they spent days to get is getting a lower score than a pretty headshot taken in a zoo has every right to be peeved. Especially when it is in a "wildlife" challenge. Zoo shots are not wild.
We have previously had challenges specifically for zoo shots, so why shoehorn them into a wildlife challenge? It is true that not everyone has access to real wildlife, however I do not have access lots of things chosen for challenges, so when that happens I sit that one out. (children, oceans, mountains, etc)
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10/21/2008 08:40:57 AM · #1188 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Argghhh, Ernie - I certainly didn't mean for you to go join in the fracas....... in order to preserve my sanity, I just set the damn Wildlife Scores thread to ignore! :-) |
Ah it is ok Deb, I just could not resist after you mentioned it. LOL
I am one of those that have been effected by this so I have a strong opinion on it. I do not blame you at all for getting me involved, and I have no intention of continuing in the debate. I have made my point and will let the others continue the arguement. :)
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10/21/2008 08:45:12 AM · #1189 |
AAACCCKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's spilled over to here!
I can't put this thread on "ignore".... |
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10/21/2008 08:57:50 AM · #1190 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by Kelli:
I agree. It's crazy how everyone seems to look for any little thing to vote down any more. There really are people on here who think their own little bit of the world is as big as the world is. Shame on them ;P |
Then you have never been affected by this situation before. I am not in this challenge, but it is impossible to argue that a zoo shot is a photograph of an animal "in it's natural environment" as the challenge description reads.
If you had spent many, many hours shooting wildlife as I have, you would not have the gall so say "shame on them". Someone who gets peeved because their once in a lifetime shot that they spent days to get is getting a lower score than a pretty headshot taken in a zoo has every right to be peeved. Especially when it is in a "wildlife" challenge. Zoo shots are not wild.
We have previously had challenges specifically for zoo shots, so why shoehorn them into a wildlife challenge? It is true that not everyone has access to real wildlife, however I do not have access lots of things chosen for challenges, so when that happens I sit that one out. (children, oceans, mountains, etc) |
Sorry Deb!!
Ernie, I do have to say real quick (and I don't want to argue so don't take it that way), no one can take away from your beautiful shot. You know what it took to get it and some of us would be so happy to have that opportunity. For some of us, this site is just about taking pictures. The competition part is just a fun side to that, it doesn't mean as much as actually taking that picture. What I think is a shame is the attitudes (nothing else) such as one person saying if she saw a lion she would vote it down because it had to be taken in a zoo. Well, that's just not true. There are many people on here from Africa and Asia, such as Lesley Goodman who have beautiful shots of wildlife that are most definitely taken in the wild. It's the assumptions I have a problem with. As far as this particular challenge goes, the description says "natural environment". If an animal was born in the zoo, it is their natural environment. If you want zoos excluded, then it should state that in the challenge description. I wouldn't have a problem with it then. FWIW - The National Wildlife Federation takes zoo shots of "wildlife" in their competitions. It does need to be labeled as such, but it's more than acceptable. |
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10/21/2008 10:32:10 AM · #1191 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by basssman7:
Originally posted by Kelli:
I agree. It's crazy how everyone seems to look for any little thing to vote down any more. There really are people on here who think their own little bit of the world is as big as the world is. Shame on them ;P |
Then you have never been affected by this situation before. I am not in this challenge, but it is impossible to argue that a zoo shot is a photograph of an animal "in it's natural environment" as the challenge description reads.
If you had spent many, many hours shooting wildlife as I have, you would not have the gall so say "shame on them". Someone who gets peeved because their once in a lifetime shot that they spent days to get is getting a lower score than a pretty headshot taken in a zoo has every right to be peeved. Especially when it is in a "wildlife" challenge. Zoo shots are not wild.
We have previously had challenges specifically for zoo shots, so why shoehorn them into a wildlife challenge? It is true that not everyone has access to real wildlife, however I do not have access lots of things chosen for challenges, so when that happens I sit that one out. (children, oceans, mountains, etc) |
Sorry Deb!!
Ernie, I do have to say real quick (and I don't want to argue so don't take it that way), no one can take away from your beautiful shot. You know what it took to get it and some of us would be so happy to have that opportunity. For some of us, this site is just about taking pictures. The competition part is just a fun side to that, it doesn't mean as much as actually taking that picture. What I think is a shame is the attitudes (nothing else) such as one person saying if she saw a lion she would vote it down because it had to be taken in a zoo. Well, that's just not true. There are many people on here from Africa and Asia, such as Lesley Goodman who have beautiful shots of wildlife that are most definitely taken in the wild. It's the assumptions I have a problem with. As far as this particular challenge goes, the description says "natural environment". If an animal was born in the zoo, it is their natural environment. If you want zoos excluded, then it should state that in the challenge description. I wouldn't have a problem with it then. FWIW - The National Wildlife Federation takes zoo shots of "wildlife" in their competitions. It does need to be labeled as such, but it's more than acceptable. |
I have to say I agree with you Kelli. Can't we just take pictures and have some fun? |
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10/21/2008 12:45:01 PM · #1192 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Sorry Deb!!
Ernie, I do have to say real quick (and I don't want to argue so don't take it that way), no one can take away from your beautiful shot. You know what it took to get it and some of us would be so happy to have that opportunity. For some of us, this site is just about taking pictures. The competition part is just a fun side to that, it doesn't mean as much as actually taking that picture. What I think is a shame is the attitudes (nothing else) such as one person saying if she saw a lion she would vote it down because it had to be taken in a zoo. Well, that's just not true. There are many people on here from Africa and Asia, such as Lesley Goodman who have beautiful shots of wildlife that are most definitely taken in the wild. It's the assumptions I have a problem with. As far as this particular challenge goes, the description says "natural environment". If an animal was born in the zoo, it is their natural environment. If you want zoos excluded, then it should state that in the challenge description. I wouldn't have a problem with it then. FWIW - The National Wildlife Federation takes zoo shots of "wildlife" in their competitions. It does need to be labeled as such, but it's more than acceptable. |
Ok, to say that because a zoo animal was born in a zoo and that makes it "their natural environment" is absurd. It is twisting things to meet your own definition. If I had a hamster that was born in a cage, does that make it wildlife because it is still in it's natural environment? As for the NWF, we can go back and forth all night because I went to enter a contest for Canadian Geographic last month and they very strictly state no zoo shots. Besides the fact that as you mentioned, you have to label them as zoo shots, which in my post on the other thread (where this debate should be) I mentioned would have been a good idea for this competition if you were going to allow them.
Back to the point, yes, there are members here from Africa and Asia and by all means if they can take photos of wild lions and cheetahs, have at 'er. However I do think that anyone entering a zoo shot into a wildlife competition should have their moral compass checked, just like those entering outdoor shots into a "Studio portrait" challenge and claiming that the outdoors is where they shoot so it is their "studio"! They (like you talking about zoo animals being in their own natural environment) are simply stretching things to meet their own needs.
I think the competition should have specifically excluded zoo animals, and in my opinion did so with the "in their natural environment" clause. Another option would have been to say that all entries need to have a z (zoo), w (wild) or s (sanctuary) after the title to show how the shot was taken. If you do not have the designation after the title your are dq'd. Then let the voters decided if they like cute zoo animals or real wildlife.
As for Kelli or Doyle or anyone else who thinks that the site is just about pretty pictures, who cares how they were taken...if that was the case then they should all be free studies, we do not need a challenge description. Not to mention maybe we should just have all free studies anyways, because those of us who try to abide by the descriptions inevetibly get ticked off cause no one else does, and Langdon is unwilling to provide more concise discriptions for situations like this, or consequence for them not being followed.
The "just look at the pretty picture" mentality around dpc is what ruins this site from being about the challenges, and makes it all about the eye candy!
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10/21/2008 01:07:55 PM · #1193 |
| Someone PM me when we get back to something other than the freakin' wildlife challenge, 'k? I'm laying off the forums 'til then. |
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10/21/2008 01:09:53 PM · #1194 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Ernie, I do have to say real quick (and I don't want to argue so don't take it that way) |
that worked out well... |
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10/21/2008 01:11:02 PM · #1195 |
I had an internal debate around this problem while preparing to take a picture of a bug on the bathroom mirror (it sensed my distress and very kindly buggered off). One could get all sorts of pedantic about the naturalness of the environment.
I sympathise with Ernie, for sure.
We do take pictures for fun though, and I have no fear or hesitation in using my well-worn shoehorn.
I also think Ernie should be allowed to complain about that, and not criticised for it.
Not that I'm about to be a good example or help in any way, Ernie, but even so... |
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10/21/2008 01:11:55 PM · #1196 |
| LOL! You won't hear another peep about it from me. I suck, so what do I care. |
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10/21/2008 01:49:57 PM · #1197 |
this would be a great time to start a new thread...
The Suck Palace... no wildlife allowed.
Maybe the Team Suck Zoo? |
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10/21/2008 01:52:22 PM · #1198 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
this would be a great time to start a new thread...
The Suck Palace... no wildlife allowed.
Maybe the Team Suck Zoo? |
LMAO.
Or "Team Suck in the Wild, where zoo animals fear to tread.."
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10/21/2008 01:52:33 PM · #1199 |
Palace it is. I worry a bit about sticky popcorn or maybe it is just my juvenile mind.
Go here!
Message edited by author 2008-10-21 13:56:31. |
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