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09/26/2008 03:20:38 PM · #256

Palin Talks to Couric

I wouldn't want to be Palin (or McCain for that matter) right now...

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Louis

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09/26/2008 03:44:17 PM · #257

Originally posted by dahkota:

Palin Talks to Couric

I wouldn't want to be Palin (or McCain for that matter) right now...

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She's just not very smart, is she.

citymars

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09/26/2008 03:57:55 PM · #258

Originally posted by Louis:

She's just not very smart, is she.

Yeah, but you know those "smart" types. The opposition likes to paint them as "slick" and not to be trusted.

dahkota

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09/26/2008 04:00:49 PM · #259

The sad thing is, she, is some really odd way, represents women. I guess by being one. I just cringe when I see she is speaking because I am afraid of how stupid women might appear.

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09/26/2008 05:00:50 PM · #260

Point-Counterpoint

Concerned Citizen: Gov. Palin Has No Foreign Policy Experience, Refuses To Acknowledge Global Warming, And Supports The War In Iraq

Gov. Palin: Please Keep Your Voice Down, My Poor Retarded Child Is Sleeping

Louis

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09/26/2008 05:57:22 PM · #261

Originally posted by dahkota:

The sad thing is, she, is some really odd way, represents women. I guess by being one. I just cringe when I see she is speaking because I am afraid of how stupid women might appear.

I don't think that's true. Hillary Clinton doesn't sound like a small-town mayor trying to play with the big boys. She sounds pretty informed to me.

dahkota

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09/26/2008 06:20:29 PM · #262

Originally posted by Louis:

Originally posted by dahkota:
The sad thing is, she, is some really odd way, represents women. I guess by being one. I just cringe when I see she is speaking because I am afraid of how stupid women might appear.

I don't think that's true. Hillary Clinton doesn't sound like a small-town mayor trying to play with the big boys. She sounds pretty informed to me.

I completely agree with you. But who is now doing interviews?

I would have loved seeing the two of them debate! Well, one of them debate, the other ramble inconsequentially.

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09/26/2008 07:04:54 PM · #263

Originally posted by dahkota:

Palin Talks to Couric

I wouldn't want to be Palin (or McCain for that matter) right now...

For those who like to read exactly what was said:
Wednesday
Thursday

Louie Dobbs (CNN) keep saying "Don't the American people deserve a better government...a government that works?"

If we keep electing people of her caliber, the answer is, NO.

We deserve exactly what we'll get and we should expect no better.

yanko

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09/26/2008 07:09:32 PM · #264

Originally posted by pawdrix:

Originally posted by dahkota:
Palin Talks to Couric

I wouldn't want to be Palin (or McCain for that matter) right now...

For those who like to read exactly what was said:
Wednesday
Thursday

Louie Dobbs (CNN) keep saying "Don't the American people deserve a better government...a government that works?"

If we keep electing people of her caliber, the answer is, NO.

We deserve exactly what we'll get and we should expect no better.

Well Obama could have avoided this whole thing if he picked Hillary as his VP. There would be no Palin and Obama would probably have the attention again.

Phil

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09/26/2008 07:50:34 PM · #265

Originally posted by Louis:

I don't think so.

But to be fair.

Louis

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09/27/2008 09:18:40 AM · #266

I suppose you've all heard about this? Palin urged to give up candidacy by a conservative columnist who was giddy with excitement when Palin was first nominated. Now, she thinks she's a dud whose "cringe reflex is exhausted."

09/27/2008 10:21:51 AM · #267

Originally posted by Louis:

I'm sure that expectations are extremely low but I fully believe that she will lose McCain the election next week in the debates. Biden however is fully capable of overshooting and making her look like a victim. Al Gore was shockingly creepy in his debates with Bush. I cringed watching him perform, sigh, fidget and think Biden who I like a lot might be capable of a similar melt-down...or one of his own styling.

I'm surprised that people are now discovering that she is a mental midget (sorry for the strong words) because I thought it was abundantly obvious from square one. She was picked for hyper political reasons and certainly not for any skill set she brings to the party. She did however sure up and attract the female and evangelical vote where McCain was lacking. Palin is a throw back poster child of that front.

Abstinence Only education didn't exactly work with her daughter but she's sticking to it. One of those odd political contradictions that seems to be completely lost. Unwavering in a failed policy...basically, an in your face, crash. When did stupidity become and American Virtue?

If people choose their candidate based on the Abortion Issue we are in certain doom. Not that that part of the platform isn't meaningful and important, to some people BUT it's very divisive and certainly pales in weight to the issues that have brought us to the brink of disaster as a nation. We are incredibly weak and will become very insignificant if we don't get our shit together....soon.

We have bigger fish to fry and I just wish people would not get so wrapped up in who's sleeping with who type of fear. Worrying about what other people do has taken the nations eye off the ball and perfectly muddied the waters and given Washington on both sides of the aisle to screw the American people.

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09/27/2008 12:17:06 PM · #268

Originally posted by pawdrix:

If people choose their candidate based on the Abortion Issue we are in certain doom.

Most people do not vote on that issue. Swing voters are pro or anti abortion depending on how you phrase the question. It is a very important issue to Christian Right and Feminist Left.

09/27/2008 12:44:32 PM · #269

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by pawdrix:
If people choose their candidate based on the Abortion Issue we are in certain doom.

Most people do not vote on that issue. Swing voters are pro or anti abortion depending on how you phrase the question. It is a very important issue to Christian Right and Feminist Left.

I believe people burrow in on that issue (and rest of that platform) to the degree where their entire view of those who oppose their position can do absolutely no right. They seem so staunch on those positions that they can't even hear a word of what's being said after that.

Enough people on both sides are guilty of that type of positioning and seemingly there are enough voters on the far Right, a powerful number of votes, for McCain to select Palin, someone so unqualified, as his running mate. A constituency so powerful that as he ran on experience, he was able to pick her trumping his own message and coming up with a nice boost. With one snap a lot of folks jumped in line. After that Obama couldn't tie his shoes right or was too slick as he tied them.

what I'm saying is that they are powerful enough to win an election. They are passionate enough and get out there and vote. They are who butter the bread on the Republican side. The Democratic party has it's hardcore as well. It cuts both ways they just seem to be less powerful than those on the right.

I'm sure you'd agree that he could have picked someone far better. She's certain;y not the best they've got but McCain knows who's going to better his bread on election day.

eta: I have the news playing in the background and this topic just came up. It seems whoever's speaking, they all seem to agree with what I just said.

Message edited by author 2008-09-27 13:00:41.

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09/27/2008 01:32:51 PM · #270

I do want to make clear that I find McCain and Obama AND the issues I was refering to (The Right to Choose, Sex Ed, etc.) beyond irrelevant on this particular day.

With what's happening as we speak, in Washington both Candidates are almost meaningless, other than their two votes.

There are a handful of people, including those who actually got us into this mess or at least share a good deal of blame for it now negotiating how we get out of it. Between Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who hosted us into the mess (with many others), to the politics of lobbyists money, corruption to the Republican controlled Congress that had a deference to less regulation and oversight. Plenty of blame to go round in ALL directions.

My previous posts are more of a call to stay less wrapped up in the bickering and push-button issues and start to play real ball and vote on real issues.

McCain and Obama will amount to nothing more than punching bags if what happens on Capitol Hill isn't handled intelligently and that doesn't appear to be the case.

I do love cheese but I'm on the fence when it comes to this package. After watching the news this morning, Lou Dobbs last night it's no wonder the Republicans walked out of the meetings. I don't blame them for not discussing a bad idea...or what appears to be one.

But I do love cheese and I may even buy some stock in Kraft Foods. That's where to put the money.

Message edited by author 2008-09-27 13:45:59.

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09/27/2008 01:39:36 PM · #271

Originally posted by pawdrix:

McCain and Obama will amount to nothing more than punching bags if what happens on Capitol Hill isn't handled intelligently and that doesn't appear to be the case.

Next, McCain will call to suspend the election in the face of this crisis, grant himself emergency powers, and create a Grand Army of the Republicans. He will then manipulate things behind the scenes, turn Palin into Darth Hater, and destroy the Jedi Order, allowing the Emperor to create the Galactic Empire and...

Wait, where was I?

yanko

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09/27/2008 02:38:41 PM · #272

Originally posted by pawdrix:

I do want to make clear that I find McCain and Obama AND the issues I was refering to (The Right to Choose, Sex Ed, etc.) beyond irrelevant on this particular day.

With all due respect you seem to be doing the exact same thing you accuse others of doing, that is making the election a single issue.

If you fully understand both sides of the abortion argument you wouldn't come to the conclusion that issue is irrelevant today. Maybe if you're a guy who just says he's pro-choice but doesn't really care too much about the issue you might feel that way but for the harden pro-choice person they still see any candidate who is pro-life a danger to women's rights especially given the executive's ability to shape the SCOTUS. And of course on the right, the harden pro-lifers see abortion as murder, genocide (not to mention a sin) so why would you think they would find the abortion issue irrelevant today when abortion is still legal?

ETA: Maybe what you meant to say was the economy is the single most important issue today because it affects a greater number of people more so than these other issues and concerns we have? In other words, it might be an easier sell if you left out the parts that devalue the other issues and concerns people still have today by calling them irrelevant.

Message edited by author 2008-09-27 14:48:53.