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 09/25/2008 11:57:24 AM · #101
Thank you. Now you may return to playing with your instrument.
 09/25/2008 12:02:34 PM · #102
09/25/2008 12:08:23 PM · #103
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
DID I say get your WB from the grass? HMMMMM?

Your first sentence refers to setting the WB, the second says only "getting a reading" without specifying that you are now talking about exposure and not the WB. Absent a new stated topic, it (grammatically) follows that you were still talking about the former.
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
RAW is great, but setting your WB before you shoot is better than after the fact.

Grass is a good place to get a reading before shooting, it is close to 18% grey.
09/25/2008 12:08:24 PM · #104
had to look twice to see what that lady was doing with all those fingers?? hehehe
 09/25/2008 12:27:20 PM · #105
All I know is that most of the time when shooting football I tend towards under exposed shots not on purpose but because my camera always wants to meter the sky. But I really don't know how light meters work, so I can't really give a good explanation on what is going on.

Oh ya, and one of my best pieces of advice is to get low to the ground. The shots look much better from a low vantage point.

Message edited by author 2008-09-25 12:30:32.
 09/25/2008 12:28:06 PM · #106
I have been informed I may be on the wrong side of this mess by a repuptable member. If I am, I'm sorry.
 09/25/2008 12:29:46 PM · #107
I didn't know there was a 'right' side and a 'wrong' side.
 09/25/2008 12:40:39 PM · #108
Stubbornness and haughtiness are the only "wrong" side.
 09/25/2008 12:48:07 PM · #109
Originally posted by Jason_Cross:
All I know is that most of the time when shooting football I tend towards under exposed shots not on purpose but because my camera always wants to meter the sky. But I really don't know how light meters work, so I can't really give a good explanation on what is going on.


If you find all your shots are under exposed you can set the exposure adjustment to a 1/3 of a stop or more above normal to make the camera overexpose the shot to what it thinks the correct exposure is. Just remember to set it back to normal when you are done otherwise your next set of shots will be over exposed!!

if you have the space on your card you could also shoot in burst mode with auto exposure bracketing on say a "normal" shot, 1/3 over and 2/3 over and you would have 3 shots to choose from, though you could miss what you are trying to take a shot of then!
 09/25/2008 09:30:56 PM · #110
Guys guys guys, come on let's stop haggling over who is wrong and who is right, for heavens sake at the end of the day there is only one way to take a good photograph and that is to know the basics of photography, not just turn the dial and hope for the best in motor drive!!!. It really isnt that hard to learn and you will learn more from your successes and mistakes if you analyse the good outcomes and bad outcomes. It is no good to rely on your camera making decisions for you, they are pieces of equipment that have limited capabilities when left to their own devices, light meters are fooled by excess sky or water for one example and will underexpose every time. I shoot in Manual always and take a light meter reading off the palm of my hand, decide what my priority is to choose the settings, fast shutter for action or small apperture for DOF for example) and then overexpose on Manual half a stop. This will make no sense to most of you it seems but please take the time to learn. There are so many places out there that you can get the help you need and people who are more than willing to explain and show you exactly what you need to know. Camera clubs, local photography groups if you learn better hands on, and the tutorials here are also very helpful if you can use the written word. Personally I am one who learns better from doing it myself. I still make mistakes in the heat of the moment but then they are fixable mostly thankfully. None of us is perfect but it will be a great experience for you to learn this stuff and be able to manipulate your pictures the way you want them not how the camera thinks they should be according to a computer program inside them.

Okay off my soapbox, I promise that is my final input. LOL

Edit to add: Okay I lied, just wanted to add I NEVER use motor drive or bracketing and I shoot horses and mostly action shots (Horses), believe it or not there are people out there who can get their timing right and not rely on dumb luck by holding the button down for as long as it continues to shoot pictures.

Message edited by author 2008-09-25 21:34:49.
 09/25/2008 09:44:56 PM · #111
We all know that I am right.

Ok, so back to football. I wanted to post some, but I just can't. I have some cool football shots and some great action, but I will be in trouble for posting. Anybody else have some examples to post to help educate?
 09/25/2008 09:53:58 PM · #112
This thread has plenty of examples if you just look.
 09/25/2008 09:54:42 PM · #113
I don't know how good is this for a suggestion, but what about a "sports side challenge". maybe photomom1981 would like to start or join one ;)

Message edited by author 2008-09-25 21:55:41.
 09/25/2008 09:57:11 PM · #114
Originally posted by Maggye:
I don't know how good is this for a suggestion, but what about a "sports side challenge". maybe photomom1981 would like to start or join one ;)


great idea.
 09/25/2008 10:08:01 PM · #115
Originally posted by loriprophoto:
Edit to add: Okay I lied, just wanted to add I NEVER use motor drive or bracketing and I shoot horses and mostly action shots (Horses), believe it or not there are people out there who can get their timing right and not rely on dumb luck by holding the button down for as long as it continues to shoot pictures.


ditto, I can't shoot on 5fps, just because I think it takes the fun out of it and puts in more to luck. I like getting the timing right. Now, I may change that habit were someone to pay me upfront for the service, still though I'm confident enough in myself, that I would probably feel comfortable shooting with burst off.

Currently I shoot for my school in all the sports and I just sell to the parents, so I make money off of the end result, rather than the actual shooting. I really enjoy it, its extremely fun for me.

I think the biggest advice for you photomom1981, would be to learn your camera inside and out. Lurk on the forums, learn about aperture, learn about shutter speed, iso, exposure compensation, and the list goes on. This is a good place to learn a bunch of good stuff. I really learned a lot just by lurking here.

I would also advise you to get a better lens if you are gonna be doing this consistently (even if its just a weekly thing). Maybe look into getting a 70-200mm if you have the dough for it, if not maybe look into a cheaper 70-300. If you are shooting outdoors in the sun, you'll be fine as far as speed. I shoot indoor volleyball at my school, and I struggle with it being fast enough at F4.

If you have any questions, feel free to pm me. Feel free to check out my stuff here, it you wanna see some samples. None of these were shot on burst mode, it was a matter of timing. These were also all shot with my 70-200mm F4 ($500ish). Hope that is all helpful.
 09/25/2008 10:09:19 PM · #116
Well, I unfortunately don't shoot sports. But DPC has a whole gallery dedicated to sports. And look, there's MattO's very own sports gallery.

And since one of the best ways to learn is by example, here's a couple from the DPC gallery that caught my admittedly untrained eye:

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They stand out to me in the gallery because they show movement, action, anticipation, emotion - they tell a very human story. They're also typically well composed and have good technicals (color, sharpness, etc). My hat's off to photographers who can get all these variables right in the blink of an eye.
 09/25/2008 11:32:24 PM · #117
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
Originally posted by Maggye:
I don't know how good is this for a suggestion, but what about a "sports side challenge". maybe photomom1981 would like to start or join one ;)


great idea.


awesome idea. If she doesn't want to start one, I may.
 09/25/2008 11:35:58 PM · #118
Originally posted by karmat:
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
Originally posted by Maggye:
I don't know how good is this for a suggestion, but what about a "sports side challenge". maybe photomom1981 would like to start or join one ;)


great idea.


awesome idea. If she doesn't want to start one, I may.


If someone does, make a side challenge, I wont enter, but I offer to make a comment on one new photo a day for every member who joins it.

ETA I wont join not because I'm great or anything, but its not really a challenge for me since I do it 4-5 days a week anyway.

Matt
 09/25/2008 11:37:17 PM · #119
Originally posted by MattO:
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If someone does, make a side challenge, I wont enter, but I offer to make a comment on one new photo a day for every member who joins it...

Matt


But, if you do this, will I still be able to call you CrankyPants? :)
 09/25/2008 11:38:35 PM · #120
Originally posted by L2:
Originally posted by MattO:
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If someone does, make a side challenge, I wont enter, but I offer to make a comment on one new photo a day for every member who joins it...

Matt


But, if you do this, will I still be able to call you CrankyPants? :)


You will anyway.
ETA maybe I'll change my username to that!

:hug

Matt

Message edited by author 2008-09-25 23:59:51.
 09/26/2008 12:32:25 AM · #121
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by L2:
Originally posted by MattO:
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If someone does, make a side challenge, I wont enter, but I offer to make a comment on one new photo a day for every member who joins it...

Matt


But, if you do this, will I still be able to call you CrankyPants? :)


You will anyway.
ETA maybe I'll change my username to that!

:hug

Matt


Matt seriously , your attitude is great! and I am sure that Ms. L2 meant MR CrankyPants!!! hehehhehehe
 09/26/2008 12:46:23 PM · #122
<--- probably not going to start a side challenge.. at least for sports anyway.. feel free to do so though.

Message edited by author 2008-09-26 12:46:58.
 09/26/2008 03:45:31 PM · #123
I'm not jumping on you here, but it is kind of unreasonable to undertake a job like that and not know how to use your equipment. If u were getting married, would u want u to be photog at your wedding? Knowing full well the shots might be ruined. Not like u can do the wedding over.
That said, I dont like to read manuals either. I mostly cruise forums asking occasional questions. But if your like me, I'd suggest youtube
Yankees it seems, are obsessed with videotaping themselves. Anything from photography all the way to learning to use a netipot can be found there.

Hope this helps

10/02/2008 01:59:34 AM · #124
To be fair to the OP- she didn't (as she has stated) ask for the job and just wanted to improve. You don't ask random people to do your wedding either. I understand where people are getting at her, and yes I know how many times the topic of "new photographers getting asked to do things they aren't necessarily ready for" comes up. As a primer, I think you (OP) should familiarize yourself with the concept of aperture and shutter. A simplified explanation of aperture is the amount of light your lens lets your reach your sensor- a low number means more light and also means that your depth of field (often referred to as DoF on DPC) is very short (this means that the area that is in focus is a very thin area- meaning anything that is slightly closer or farther from you will not be correctly focused), a high number means less light but more DoF. The shutter controls the duration of the photo. Longer photos add blur. To stop action you need a faster shutter speed. ISO is the how sensitive the sensor in your camera is to light. I think the sports mode is a good solution- for now, but the basic concepts do need to be understood the help you grow. I couldn't ascertain from the Canon manual whether or not ISO automatically sets in the Sports mode, so I can't give any advice specifically about using the mode but it seems to be pretty straightforward and automatic.
As far as not liking manuals, you can learn by fiddling to an extent, but I think that before you can do that you need a basic understanding of Aperture, Shutter, ISO, and how they relate to Exposure. You could try reading a section of the manual at a time or about a single mode of the camera at a time and after that, go and put it to use in practice with the camera.
I think a number of people overreacted here, but I also think it's important to note that sarcastic responses and flame inducing PM's are never a way to make "friends," nor does it encourage other folks to give pointers.

Edited for clarity and to add- That add-on from Bobonacus is great! Thanks a ton

Message edited by author 2008-10-02 02:03:37.
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