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09/01/2008 10:02:50 PM · #26
Originally posted by Techo:

Take my Ad shot, it's DNMC for catalog and a lot of other Ad shots are too. An ad can also sell a service but for catalog I expect a physical product.


Touche! Looking at the top 10 in the last advertisement challenge, only the chair shot would really work in a catalog, and then cropped differently.

I stand corrected in principle. But I still think most people never read the challenge description.
09/01/2008 10:23:27 PM · #27
I belive up to a point you are right Levy, some people read the description, some don't. SOme read too much into it, some take it literally. Some want to discuss it to death, some want it on technical points, some want it on eye candy.

It would be a mighty boring place if we all read it the same way.

300 entrys of a hot chick drinking a can of diet coke!!! ;)~
09/01/2008 10:47:19 PM · #28
Catalogs aren't what they used to be. In the early days they were more like the yellow pages with line drawings/engravings.
09/03/2008 04:35:58 PM · #29
Dear SC members and/or Langdon and/or whoever is willing to help making things clearer ans simpler to everyone:

Bearing in mind the point made by Techo and others, wouldn´t it be a good idea to change the description of the challenge to:

"Take a photograph of a product as main subject, that might appear in a catalog or in an ad".

That would solve the problem in a fair way, since this description clearly specifies the product must be the main subject (whether catalog or ad) and tends to avoid the type of ad shots just showing "things" visually related to the product, its functionality or its brand.

Originally posted by Techo:

Originally posted by kawesttex:

If you can take a picture that looks like an ad it should be able to be utilized as a catalog shot!


I think it's the other way around. If it's a catalog shot it could be used as an ad.
I've done some thinking. Take my Ad shot, it's DNMC for catalog and a lot of other Ad shots are too. An ad can also sell a service but for catalog I expect a physical product. For a catalog the actual product has to be shown and not tampered with too much. Most likely shown in full, a grey area though. Sure there can be a setup or a model, but the product has to take most of the focus not the model or props. An ad in theory is supposed to make you want the product or trigger some responce and has more room for a conceptual representation.

Let's take Listerine because I happen to have it sitting on my desk ;)
For an ad, for the shot, imagine a lady showing off her beautiful smile, big teeth smile being the main focus, top part of the face cropped, and in her hand is a colored green liquid. On the bottom left corner they show tiny resized bottle of the actual product. Cheesy huh LOL. An ad but not a catalog shot. An ad can also display a rainbow of flavors in one image, say ice cream, but when looking at the catalog they show each item in it's own image area.
09/03/2008 04:59:43 PM · #30
Originally posted by tnun:

Catalogs aren't what they used to be. In the early days they were more like the yellow pages with line drawings/engravings.


And now. . . we have catalogs like what this company publishes! I like how far we've come!
09/03/2008 08:52:31 PM · #31
Originally posted by tnun:

Catalogs aren't what they used to be. In the early days they were more like the yellow pages with line drawings/engravings.


An idea to browse Ikea ;) They have an excellent online catalog. I much prefer that style to regular web browsing. //ikeaus.ecweb.is/09/mus
09/03/2008 09:24:58 PM · #32
Entry #6 here. Now watch it fail miserably like usual because I like it.

Message edited by author 2008-09-06 19:46:59.
09/04/2008 04:28:21 PM · #33
thursday 12 photographs........
09/04/2008 10:24:13 PM · #34
While I'm looking forward to voting on this one, I'm staying as far away from entering it as possible.

No way I'm subjecting myself to "this is an ad!" comments for a week. lol.
09/05/2008 04:46:35 AM · #35
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

While I'm looking forward to voting on this one, I'm staying as far away from entering it as possible.

No way I'm subjecting myself to "this is an ad!" comments for a week. lol.


Ok Edward, you have convinced me not to enter the image that I worked on for this challenge, as looking at it again I would also be subjected to those comments.

Back to the drawingboard for a new idea i guess, gah I really like the original shot too LOL
09/05/2008 05:47:13 AM · #36
I Believe a Product being advertised for sale in a Catalog fits the challenge.
09/05/2008 06:06:07 AM · #37
Originally posted by BrianR:

I Believe a Product being advertised for sale in a Catalog fits the challenge.


My Product was not standard though (I modified it) it was definitely more of an ad campaign shot than a Catalogue (sorry UK spelling :P) shot
09/06/2008 06:13:58 PM · #38
So this stinks... is it for a catalog or just a product ad shot? What a pain.
09/06/2008 06:55:04 PM · #39
Cut and paste from the challenge description:"Take a photograph of a product that might appear in a catalog."
It does not say "Take a photograph that would, could, should, or will be used in a catalog."
Almost all products appear in a catalog or catalogs of some variety. So it literally means take a photo of almost anything that has ever been manufactured or built with the intent of selling it.
I don't plan to enter the challenge, because I don't have the talent or skills to produce the type of studio image that would do well in the challenge. I just thought that the description was a rather "catch 22" sort of line.
I believe that the voting will be a lot like the line from the Deep Purple album "Machine Head", "It's only the glitter and shine that gets through anyway."
Hawkeye summed it up pretty well in the previous post.
09/06/2008 07:02:59 PM · #40
"Take a photograph of a product that might appear in a catalog."

You can find pretty much anything in a catalog, right? Any product that any company makes could be in a catalog. So on that note, you could technically take a picture of just about anything that people can buy; because any product might be in a catalog.

The challenge description seems pretty clear to me; a photo of a product, that could be in a catalog. Not the product ad IN the catalog (a catalog after all is one big book of ads) just the product. Like a piece of jewellery, a Cashmere jumper, a kid's garden playset, or a new car.

Kinda makes me wish I was a member, the challenge sounds like fun.

Edit: Damn, MelonMusketeer beat my point to the punch, hehe.

Message edited by author 2008-09-06 19:04:40.
09/06/2008 07:31:20 PM · #41
Well no I don't thinks it's as straight forward as that, a catalogue shot is nothing like an Ad shot, a catalogue shot would have a precise shot of the product where as an Ad shot would sell the product...

Example:

Timotei Shampoo.

If you were to find this in a catalogue it would most likely be a picture of the bottle.

If you were to see an Ad shot of this it would more than likely be an image of some stunning model in a field with hair flowing and possibly a bottle in the corner of the image, this sort of shot would also be in a magazine but not in a catalogue.

But maybe I am wrong and looking at the wrong catalogues haha but this is my take on the challenge, not trying to sway anyone - I had a good "Ad" shot and was worried that the voters may vote it down as DNMC so reshot a new subject...
09/06/2008 07:37:32 PM · #42
I can't wait to see the fall line of dnmc's in Sunday's catalog.
09/06/2008 07:45:15 PM · #43
Amazing... For those of us that are actually (or were actually) Working Photographers, a "product shot" is something very specific: it's a descriptive shot of an object that is being sold: a bottle of perfume, perhaps, or a custom wheel for your Mercedes, whatever.

What's all the debate about? Wanna do a full-tilt "product shot"? Bring on the studio lights, zoom in, shoot the thing. Wanna push the limits of product shots? Shoot a babe in a bikini holding a Pepsi can at sunset, or whatever you may dream up. Then let the voters opine away.

R.
09/06/2008 07:55:45 PM · #44
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Amazing... For those of us that are actually (or were actually) Working Photographers, a "product shot" is something very specific: it's a descriptive shot of an object that is being sold: a bottle of perfume, perhaps, or a custom wheel for your Mercedes, whatever.

What's all the debate about? Wanna do a full-tilt "product shot"? Bring on the studio lights, zoom in, shoot the thing. Wanna push the limits of product shots? Shoot a babe in a bikini holding a Pepsi can at sunset, or whatever you may dream up. Then let the voters opine away.

R.


Eactly! Quit worrying people, and click the darn shutter!

Robert, we need to go drink some beer.

Message edited by author 2008-09-06 19:55:58.
09/06/2008 08:01:31 PM · #45
Originally posted by ambaker:



Robert, we need to go drink some beer.


Oh dear. Looking at your two profile photos, I'm not sure that you should go for a beer. I think the chance that you'll mix up which one of you is which and go home to each other's homes is too great. Don't do it!
09/06/2008 08:02:35 PM · #46
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Amazing... For those of us that are actually (or were actually) Working Photographers, a "product shot" is something very specific: it's a descriptive shot of an object that is being sold: a bottle of perfume, perhaps, or a custom wheel for your Mercedes, whatever.

What's all the debate about? Wanna do a full-tilt "product shot"? Bring on the studio lights, zoom in, shoot the thing. Wanna push the limits of product shots? Shoot a babe in a bikini holding a Pepsi can at sunset, or whatever you may dream up. Then let the voters opine away.

R.


Yep exactly let the voters decide, as I said above I am not trying to sway anyone in any way, simply stating a response to someones comment, I will not be voting as I am entering a shot, but if I were to vote I would not vote someone down on an Ad type shot personally.
09/06/2008 08:24:23 PM · #47
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by ambaker:



Robert, we need to go drink some beer.


Oh dear. Looking at your two profile photos, I'm not sure that you should go for a beer. I think the chance that you'll mix up which one of you is which and go home to each other's homes is too great. Don't do it!


Oh, don't get me started... Besides, I'm the good looking one. ;{)>
09/06/2008 08:28:26 PM · #48
Originally posted by bassbone:

Originally posted by violinist123:

Another week long discussion attempting to define the challenge in the narrowest possible terms, eh? Such fun.


A complete pity IMO - the challenge title seems to have been enough - boxing it in so that it fits into a catalog seems a bit narrow - and I worry that DNMC voters will make those who are creative pay


But they always do, so no diff here...
09/06/2008 09:00:47 PM · #49
Originally posted by violinist123:

I can't wait to see the fall line of dnmc's in Sunday's catalog.


Best line of the week!!!
09/06/2008 09:30:16 PM · #50
For those who are taking the hardline of expecting a pure product shot, ask yourself how boring that challenge would be to vote on?

Message edited by author 2008-09-06 21:30:27.
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