ABSTRACT SCORES shared in Black & White

08/27/2008 04:03:09 PM · #151

There are too many definitions for abstract floating around. Me personally, I considered abstract to be something interesting to look at but not recognizable, at least from the definitions I read. It makes it hard to score because according to me, so many would fall into the dnmc category. Beautiful pictures but a lot seem to be black and white but not so much abstract. Before I actually start voting, someone want to tell me if my way of thinking is way off??

08/27/2008 04:06:17 PM · #152

Originally posted by bassbone:

Originally posted by Prash:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by Prash:

Originally posted by Mark-A:

Originally posted by Prash:
I just saw a picture that I recently saw in another contest here. Does that disqualify that picture??

If it's 100% definitely without a doubt the same picture then yes I believe it does as the rules state:

You may not:
* use the same original image in more than one challenge.

If you are sure then I would say report it I guess.

I compared the two images. They are NOT exactly the same. And seems they are also from different authors. But the setup is exactly the same :-)

Tricky eh? If that is allowed one might as well copy some past winner's style and setup and contest in another one.

What do you guys think of that? :-)

So someone's trying to mimic someone else's shot. So what. Maybe they're trying to learn something. This is a learning site, right?

Learning is one thing. But using what you learnt from others in a contest is another. It is just my opinion though, I am not trying to generalize it and I dont expect you to agree with it. In any case, I will value such a picture low on originality.

How many photographic images are really original anyway? Come on, this is a learning site and entering challenges with images people have just learned how to photograph is what this site is all about. There are no riches to be won here. It is about photography. Yes, creativity has its place and those entries that are 'original' and new will likely score better. But for those of us who have been around here for a year or two or five, there really isn't that much that is unique and new. Maybe refleshing and interesting, but new...probably not.

I am new to this site, and all my discussions here are an attempt to learn too. It is just hard for me to understand how an exact same composition can be termed different based upon slightly different lighting conditions or some other factors. But may be that is how it goes... I personally value originality very high. And I think I have a right to believe so.

Message edited by author 2008-08-27 16:08:38.

Nikon NIKKOR Z 24-120 f/4 S

08/27/2008 04:20:06 PM · #153

You have rated 317 of 318 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 14 images (4%) in this challenge.

Guys, I am done voting on all the images. Some great work out there! I already have 2 new favorites from this pool.

May the best one win....good luck everyone.

bassbone

Nikon Z8

08/27/2008 04:21:22 PM · #154

Originally posted by Prash:

But your voting average is under 4...there couldn't have been too many you liked

bauerfan71

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

08/27/2008 04:22:24 PM · #155

Votes: 56
Views: 86
Avg Vote: 5.7321
Comments: 2
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0

My last vote was a 1. Brought me down from a 5.8000. Crapppp.....

klkitchens

Pentax K-1

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

08/27/2008 04:24:07 PM · #156

Originally posted by lemeryj:

Nope because that definition will cause you to vote mine well. :)

08/27/2008 04:24:36 PM · #157

Originally posted by bassbone:

Originally posted by Prash:
You have rated 317 of 318 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 14 images (4%) in this challenge.

Guys, I am done voting on all the images. Some great work out there! I already have 2 new favorites from this pool.

May the best one win....good luck everyone.

But your voting average is under 4...there couldn't have been too many you liked

Well, I liked all the work, but I liked some more than the others. It is very hard to understand the abstraction.. including in my work. Some of them are phenomenal!!

Purple_Girl

Canon EOS-1100D

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.4D

08/27/2008 04:29:05 PM · #158

Originally posted by Prash:

Originally posted by bassbone:

Originally posted by Prash:

Originally posted by cpanaioti:

Originally posted by Prash:

Originally posted by Mark-A:

Originally posted by Prash:
I just saw a picture that I recently saw in another contest here. Does that disqualify that picture??

If it's 100% definitely without a doubt the same picture then yes I believe it does as the rules state:

You may not:
* use the same original image in more than one challenge.

If you are sure then I would say report it I guess.

I compared the two images. They are NOT exactly the same. And seems they are also from different authors. But the setup is exactly the same :-)

Tricky eh? If that is allowed one might as well copy some past winner's style and setup and contest in another one.

What do you guys think of that? :-)

So someone's trying to mimic someone else's shot. So what. Maybe they're trying to learn something. This is a learning site, right?

Learning is one thing. But using what you learnt from others in a contest is another. It is just my opinion though, I am not trying to generalize it and I dont expect you to agree with it. In any case, I will value such a picture low on originality.

How many photographic images are really original anyway? Come on, this is a learning site and entering challenges with images people have just learned how to photograph is what this site is all about. There are no riches to be won here. It is about photography. Yes, creativity has its place and those entries that are 'original' and new will likely score better. But for those of us who have been around here for a year or two or five, there really isn't that much that is unique and new. Maybe refleshing and interesting, but new...probably not.

I am new to this site, and all my discussions here are an attempt to learn too. It is just hard for me to understand how an exact same composition can be termed different based upon slightly different lighting conditions or some other factors. But may be that is how it goes... I personally value originality very high. And I think I have a right to believe so.

I agree that recreating a shot you like in your own way is all part of learning, what annoys me though is people who almost identically imitate someone else's work and call it a 'tribute'. Stealing someone's idea and calling it a tribute to them does not make the theft Ok in my book.

tate

Apple iPhone 15 Pro

08/27/2008 04:30:17 PM · #159

Votes: 61
Views: 87
Avg Vote: 6.0000
Comments: 1

bassbone

Nikon Z8

Nikon NIKKOR Z 24-120 f/4 S

08/27/2008 04:33:37 PM · #160

Originally posted by Prash:

Originally posted by bassbone:

Originally posted by Prash:
You have rated 317 of 318 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 14 images (4%) in this challenge.

Guys, I am done voting on all the images. Some great work out there! I already have 2 new favorites from this pool.

May the best one win....good luck everyone.

But your voting average is under 4...there couldn't have been too many you liked

Well, I liked all the work, but I liked some more than the others. It is very hard to understand the abstraction.. including in my work. Some of them are phenomenal!!

I don't quite understand your scale then. The scale on voting says good (10) and bad (1). By that approach, most of the images you have voted on were more bad than good...

08/27/2008 04:54:18 PM · #161

Originally posted by bassbone:

Originally posted by Prash:

Originally posted by bassbone:

Originally posted by Prash:
You have rated 317 of 318 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 14 images (4%) in this challenge.

Guys, I am done voting on all the images. Some great work out there! I already have 2 new favorites from this pool.

May the best one win....good luck everyone.

But your voting average is under 4...there couldn't have been too many you liked

Well, I liked all the work, but I liked some more than the others. It is very hard to understand the abstraction.. including in my work. Some of them are phenomenal!!

I don't quite understand your scale then. The scale on voting says good (10) and bad (1). By that approach, most of the images you have voted on were more bad than good...

I liked a few very very very much, and others not quite as much. Sorry thats how it is. I am not sure one can question a voter on their style, it is very subjective, no? And then my votes are only a fraction of the large pool.

I just remind myself that we are here to learn... I am quite happy with the votes I am getting, and they are quite low as well.

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

08/27/2008 05:20:23 PM · #162

Well, I was (note I said WAS) at 6.70 with 50 votes in. Now, I've slid to...

Votes: 79
Views: 134
Avg Vote: 6.2785
Comments: 3

Still much higher than lately for me however, so that's good. :-)

Purple_Girl

Canon EOS-1100D

Nikon NIKKOR Z 24-120 f/4 S

08/27/2008 06:05:22 PM · #163

You have rated 317 of 318 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 97 images (31%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.5647.

I don't understand my average given score, as I gave plenty of 7s and a huge handful of 8s. My score is at:

Votes: 60
Views: 79
Avg Vote: 4.3167
Comments: 1

Steadily dropping.

bassbone

Nikon Z8

08/27/2008 06:06:22 PM · #164

Originally posted by LadyTara:

You give a couple of low scores (1s through 3s and the average drops quite a bit)

bvy

Sigma DP1x

08/27/2008 07:13:22 PM · #165

Votes: 60
Views: 82
Avg Vote: 6.2667
Comments: 3
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0

I don't get it. I'm happy with my score of course, but I see some excellent images out there, and hardly anyone is reporting higher than a six.

ryand

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

08/27/2008 07:18:00 PM · #166

Votes: 61
Views: 97
Avg Vote: 4.8852
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 08/27/08 07:16 pm

yeah i really shouldn't have entered this challenge, it was a last minute swap and I spent like 2 minutes editing the image, I looked at it this morning and realized it sucks. Im just goin for a 5 at this point.

Message edited by author 2008-08-27 19:33:57.

08/27/2008 07:24:39 PM · #167

But guys do scores really matter a lot here? All of us are learning from each other.. and after all, judging an art is such a subjective skill. I would say all of us did great. We expressed something abstract in our own ways. Be happy:-)

lemeryj

Canon EOS-40D

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

08/27/2008 07:25:23 PM · #168

Votes: 61
Views: 89
Avg Vote: 4.7049
Comments: 2

Ouch...

Guess this is a good learning experience.

thegrandwazoo

Nikon D750

08/27/2008 07:25:55 PM · #169

Originally posted by Prash:

But guys do scores really matter a lot here?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(Breath)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Nuzzer

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/27/2008 07:27:24 PM · #170

Originally posted by Prash:

But guys do scores really matter a lot here?

They mean everything ... most of the time ;)

MAK

Leica M Monochrom

Leica 18-56mm f/3.5-5.6 Vario Elmar-T ASPH

08/27/2008 07:27:31 PM · #171

Originally posted by Prash:

Your average vote cast is a 3.3 mate, I know what I call that... You claimed, and I quote "Guys, I am done voting on all the images. Some great work out there! I already have 2 new favorites from this pool.
"

Say no more squire. However, I am pleased you are happy.