quick rule clarification... - DPChallenge Forums

08/25/2008 10:22:14 PM · #1

Hi, every challenge, I try and experiment a bit more and try to get the most I can out of what the rules allow...

For basic editing... I know anything in camera raw is ok... but i am now opening the image in photoshop and venturing a little further in....

If i click on "adjustments" and adjust things like "selective colour", "Black and White" "levels" ect... are they allowed in Basic editing?

I am only making these adjustments to the ENTIRE layer...

is that ok in basic editing? it's just like camera raw, but a bit more in depth...

In the rules it says "use only Adjustment Layers (or their equivalent). An Adjustment Layer is a special type of layer containing no image data that lets you experiment with color and tonal adjustments without permanently modifying the pixels. Adjustment Layers must be applied in Normal mode."

now.. is what I am doing considered in "Normal mode"???

let me know what you think... I have bugged the staff too many times =) i sent them a ticked for almost every chanllenge... i figured that this was a simple question that some more senior members could answer

let me know,

Thanks

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

08/25/2008 10:25:55 PM · #2

Yeah, that's all basic legal.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

08/25/2008 10:28:41 PM · #3

Pretty much anything under Adjustments (essentially color-shifting) is OK if applied to the whole image. By doing it on an Adjustment Layer you will be able to apply the changes non-destructively -- the original pixels remain unchanged on the Background layer -- so you can change or adjust later. It's in the Adjustment Layer you need to check for the Mode setting to be Normal; I believe if you do apply an Adjustment directly from the menu it will be in Normal mode by default, though I'm not as sure of that.

08/25/2008 10:31:15 PM · #4

ok... ummm, for this pic, i just applied the ajdustments directly to the Background layer (normally I would apply them to a duplicate of the background then flatten it, but this time i just did it to the background...)

Am I ok to do the ajdustments to the background layer directly?

thanks

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

08/25/2008 10:32:08 PM · #5

Originally posted by GeneralE:

I believe if you do apply an Adjustment directly from the menu it will be in Normal mode by default, though I'm not as sure of that.

Yes.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

08/25/2008 10:32:46 PM · #6

It's within the rules, just not (IMO) best practices ...

Pentax D-FA* 70-200mm f/2.8 ED DC AW

08/25/2008 10:33:29 PM · #7

is the "mode" the thing i can change to "multiply" "darken" "hard light" ect...?

is that the mode???

because If I apply directly to the background, then the mode is Fixed to normal becasue there is only one layer...

clarify this for me...

K3Master

Pentax K-3

08/25/2008 10:33:52 PM · #8

Originally posted by Shutter-For-Hire:

That is correct. *edited for clarity* It is known as the blending mode.

Message edited by author 2008-08-25 22:34:15.

08/25/2008 10:34:01 PM · #9

i always thought selective color was illegal:/ in basic at least

violinist123

Canon EOS-6D

08/25/2008 10:35:52 PM · #10

Originally posted by JDubsgirl:

i always thought selective color was illegal:/ in basic at least

Quite legal and hell of a powerful tool.

Pentax D-FA* 70-200mm f/2.8 ED DC AW

08/25/2008 10:37:11 PM · #11

Originally posted by violinist123:

Originally posted by JDubsgirl:
i always thought selective color was illegal:/ in basic at least

Quite legal and hell of a powerful tool.

oh damn. my purple photo could have benifitted from that. damn

K3Master

Pentax K-3

08/25/2008 10:37:32 PM · #12

Originally posted by JDubsgirl:

i always thought selective color was illegal:/ in basic at least

Nope. While the term is "selective" it still changes that color throughout the whole layer/photo. You're not actually selecting anything using selective tools, or masking anything out.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

08/25/2008 10:38:27 PM · #13

sweet! using selective colour is SO MUCH more refined that the colour sliders in Camera Raw...

I spent over an hour in camera raw tweeking the colour and couldn't get it right... i fixed it in 2 minutes with selective colour...

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

08/25/2008 10:55:30 PM · #14

The "Selective Color" Adjustment tool is legal; you just can't make any actual selections.

If, for example, you want to reduce the cyan and boost the yellows in the Red colors to brighten/warm up "dirty" reds your can use this tool for that, either directly from the menu or as one (or more) Adjustment Layers.

You can do similar things by using the individual color channels in a Curves, Levels, or Channel Mixer adjustment.

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

08/25/2008 10:59:44 PM · #15

well that makes me happy:)

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

08/25/2008 11:11:43 PM · #16

I know in CS3 you can create your own menus. It would be nice if SC or a Member here could create a "Basic" and "Advanced" Menu that we could download and insert into CS3. It would highlight the legal menus that can be used. With that said I know it will not be fool proof but for members like me that do very little editing in fear of DQ, it would be a nice tool.

What you think?

08/25/2008 11:14:17 PM · #17

sounds good... i was afraid of being DQ'd... (and still am)... so every challenge i try something a little more on the edge and start a thread and ask about it... if the rules are still vague to everyone, i submit my original and edited pic to the staff via a ticket and they reply within 24 hours (or less usually) and tell me if it is ok or not...

they are VERY helpful and VERY nice!!!

Pentax D-FA* 70-200mm f/2.8 ED DC AW

08/25/2008 11:14:32 PM · #18

Originally posted by SDW:

that would be so cool. what would happen to those of us who have cs2?

K3Master

Pentax K-3

08/25/2008 11:15:12 PM · #19

Originally posted by SDW:

Anything that could potentially help users/members should never be scoffed at, it's a clever idea. I don't have the know how to work it up though.

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

08/25/2008 11:16:55 PM · #20

Originally posted by JDubsgirl:

Originally posted by SDW:
I know in CS3 you can create your own menus. It would be nice if SC or a Member here could create a "Basic" and "Advanced" Menu that we could download and insert into CS3. It would highlight the legal menus that can be used. With that said I know it will not be fool proof but for members like me that do very little editing in fear of DQ, it would be a nice tool.

What you think?

that would be so cool. what would happen to those of us who have cs2?

I think it can be done in CS,CS2, and CS3. I may be mistaken but I think it can be done in prior versions of CS.