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08/20/2008 12:47:08 PM · #1 |
Just wondering how some people go about voting for the challenges. Do you have a formula that you use or is it random.
For myself i'll vote on day 1 and go through each photo and vote on first impressions, throughout the week i'll go through and review them, add comments where i can ( I try not to cryticize anyones photo as I know mine are usually not as good as the ones I'm voting on) and sometimes change the vote (up or down) depending on what I notice on the second or third...viewing.
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08/20/2008 12:54:09 PM · #2 |
That's as good a plan as any. I'm glad you can take the time for more than one pass. We tend to see more each time we view an image (good or bad).
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08/20/2008 01:02:59 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by jdennique:
Just wondering how some people go about voting for the challenges. Do you have a formula that you use or is it random.
For myself i'll vote on day 1 and go through each photo and vote on first impressions, throughout the week i'll go through and review them, add comments where i can ( I try not to cryticize anyones photo as I know mine are usually not as good as the ones I'm voting on) and sometimes change the vote (up or down) depending on what I notice on the second or third...viewing. |
It's a shame this forum doesn't have a SEARCH function. Oh wait! It does :) |
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08/20/2008 01:10:05 PM · #4 |
I vote "0" on every photo the first time through, to start with a blank slate. Then I realize that "0" is the keyboard shortcut for "10." By this time, it's about a quarter to midnight, when the challenge ends. So I frantically rush through the thumbnails trying to find good pictures, which I give "1" to, thinking that it will count as "11." And then I go back and start giving comments. If there's any time left over, I award my own ribbons.
edited to fix synesthesia
Message edited by author 2008-08-20 13:59:34. |
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08/20/2008 01:10:07 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by jdennique:
Just wondering how some people go about voting for the challenges. Do you have a formula that you use or is it random.
For myself i'll vote on day 1 and go through each photo and vote on first impressions, throughout the week i'll go through and review them, add comments where i can ( I try not to cryticize anyones photo as I know mine are usually not as good as the ones I'm voting on) and sometimes change the vote (up or down) depending on what I notice on the second or third...viewing. |
It's a shame this forum doesn't have a SEARCH function. Oh wait! It does :) |
He's new. :)
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08/20/2008 01:10:56 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by jdennique:
Just wondering how some people go about voting for the challenges. Do you have a formula that you use or is it random.
For myself i'll vote on day 1 and go through each photo and vote on first impressions, throughout the week i'll go through and review them, add comments where i can ( I try not to cryticize anyones photo as I know mine are usually not as good as the ones I'm voting on) and sometimes change the vote (up or down) depending on what I notice on the second or third...viewing. |
It's a shame this forum doesn't have a SEARCH function. Oh wait! It does :) |
Yes it does and I guess I could search through the 807 pages of results for the word "voting' but I thought I would create a thread to get some honest insite into how people vote.
My appologies. |
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08/20/2008 01:33:14 PM · #7 |
i do the same thing
i vote on the first day
This is EXACTLY HOW I VOTE in detail
I dont think I've given out many 1's or 2's
I just dont like it (be reasonable personal taste has a lot to do with it)! 3-4
meets the challenge? 5
pretty interesting? 6
composition/lighting? 7
feelings/thoughts is provokes? 8
its just beautiful 9
i am shocked! 10
Or something like that. I go through the first day give out a bunch of fives and sixes sometimes sevens, eights here and there and a nine occasionally, and for those images that really stand out i vote YES a 10 on ALL OF THEM
the next day i sort through my pile of tens (which can be anywhere from 5 to 50) and I go through my tens and score them individually bumping some down to 7's or 8's or 9's and a select few stay in my tens
I'm not shy with the 10's! but im also not shy with the numbers under it either:)
Message edited by author 2008-08-20 13:34:10. |
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08/20/2008 01:50:39 PM · #8 |
Hey don't appologize. The ones who've been here a while are only tromping on you because when they were new the oldies tromped on them. It's tradition.
I used to vote carefully, trying to do a good job, when I was new. After reading the forums for a year or so I vote politically. People look at your average, so I make sure I keep my average just above a five (normal). It's better to give too many 10's than too many 1's. I'm careful in commenting, lest I get an angry email in return--it's safer to give a compliment than a criticism. It's fun to go over the results, to see where my 10's placed. |
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08/20/2008 01:53:07 PM · #9 |
My method has changed over the years, but now it works out to:
0-2 points for how well it meets the challenge.
0-3 points for creativity and imagination
0-3 points for technical merit
0-1 point for how well I just darn well like it.
1 point for entering
So, if you had a really imaginative, creative picture, that met the challenge, and was technically well exectuted, even if I found it personally disturbing and gross, you could (in theory) get a 9 from me.
If you shoehorn one in, and I think it is wonderful, you will still top out at 8. (They call them challenges for a reason.)
If you meet the challenge, and the rest is rubbish, the worst you can do from me is a 3.
I usually only give one 10. I vote early in the week, and then come back a couple of days later. I review the 8-9-10s to see if I still feel the same, and review the lowest to see if I misjudged them.
I usually only make a few comments during the challenges. I spend a fair amount of time doing Review Club reviews, (though the Olympics have cut into that a bit), and I'd rather do a detailed review for someone who wants one, than to spend a lot of time doing short comments.
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08/20/2008 01:57:23 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
It's a shame this forum doesn't have a SEARCH function. Oh wait! It does :) |
Isn't that funny? A short time ago when someone asked an oft-repeated question, and I provided links for them to other threads on the topic, you quoted my post and replied "Zzzzzzzzzzz."
Not that I hold grudges or anything. :-D |
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08/20/2008 02:05:24 PM · #11 |
the problem with the voting question is that 1-10 mean something completely different to virtually each person who votes... so while 10 may mean "OMG you just blew me out of the water" to one person it may only mean "this is the best I've seen so far" to another... a 1 may mean "it's not a bad picture, but at the bottom of the heap for this challenge" to one person and "this is the worse photo I've ever seen" to the next.
So at the end of the day with no actual subjective criteria, you score means exactly squat...
There are people here that have entered photo's in a challenge here and get only a 5.XXX and then enter the same photo in a competition elsewhere and win... frankly i've come to the conclusion that a 5ish average here means you're actually really good in the real world.
ETA: I know I didn't answer about how I vote... but then it really doesn't matter that much :)
Message edited by author 2008-08-20 14:06:02. |
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08/20/2008 02:08:08 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by jdennique:
Originally posted by HawkeyeLonewolf:
Originally posted by jdennique:
Just wondering how some people go about voting for the challenges. Do you have a formula that you use or is it random.
For myself i'll vote on day 1 and go through each photo and vote on first impressions, throughout the week i'll go through and review them, add comments where i can ( I try not to cryticize anyones photo as I know mine are usually not as good as the ones I'm voting on) and sometimes change the vote (up or down) depending on what I notice on the second or third...viewing. |
It's a shame this forum doesn't have a SEARCH function. Oh wait! It does :) |
Yes it does and I guess I could search through the 807 pages of results for the word "voting' but I thought I would create a thread to get some honest insite into how people vote.
My appologies. |
Just playing around. No offense.
It's always good to refresh this subject as I don't think it's been brought up this week... yet. :) |
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08/20/2008 02:30:06 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by jdennique:
Just wondering how some people go about voting for the challenges. |
J, I don't follow a strict formula. Like you, I usually do a rough pass first and then later review them, when I bump many photos up. I only occasionally lower a vote. If a think a photo doesn't meet the challenge (DNMC) it probably won't get above a 5 from me, or a 6 if it's really good. Like I said, though, I'm not strict about it. Also, while I almost never give a 1 or a 2 vote, I will happily give 9's. Nor do I think a photo has to be the Second Coming to get a 10. |
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08/20/2008 02:45:17 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Eyesup:
the problem with the voting question is that 1-10 mean something completely different to virtually each person who votes... so while 10 may mean "OMG you just blew me out of the water" to one person it may only mean "this is the best I've seen so far" to another... a 1 may mean "it's not a bad picture, but at the bottom of the heap for this challenge" to one person and "this is the worse photo I've ever seen" to the next.
So at the end of the day with no actual subjective criteria, you score means exactly squat...
There are people here that have entered photo's in a challenge here and get only a 5.XXX and then enter the same photo in a competition elsewhere and win... frankly i've come to the conclusion that a 5ish average here means you're actually really good in the real world.
ETA: I know I didn't answer about how I vote... but then it really doesn't matter that much :) |
I agree with you, what I like about a photo others might not. With 150-200 votes per challenge that's a lot of opinions :)
Was just curious how others approach the voting, that and it is boring at work today lol. |
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08/20/2008 03:22:39 PM · #15 |
10 - "that looks like a picture I saw in an advertisement"
9 - "that looks like a picture I saw in a glossy magazine"
8 - "that looks like a picture I saw in a non-glossy magazine"
7 - "that looks like a picture I saw in an ad except for one little thing that I will gladly point out."
6 - "that looks like a picture I saw in a glossy magazine except for one little thing that I will gladly point out."
5 - "that looks like a picture I saw in a non-glossy magazine except for one little thing that I will gladly point out."
4 - "that looks like a picture I saw in an artsy magazine or an art show."
3 - "that looks like a snapshot."
2 - "that gets a whole bunch of rules wrong that I will gladly list."
1 - "that looks like something I've never seen before."
(Strike that. Reverse it.)
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08/21/2008 09:59:09 AM · #16 |
While we all have our own ways of voting, by our own criteria, I do believe that one thing remains true.
If your photo gets high scores here, it will probably blow the general populace away. Most of the voters here are regulars. They have been exposed to a lot of really good pictures. You are not competing against the locals in your neighborhood here. You are competing with some really good photographers from all over the world.
As  Eyesup has noted, a 5.xxx score here, can do wonderfully well elsewhere.
To score at the top of the range, your image must speak to people from around the world. Which means that your image transcends nationalities and cultures.
Do I ever think my image should have scored higher, or should have beaten an image that scored higher than mine? Just about every challenge.... At the same time, I have seen images that have scored lower than mine that I feel should have beaten mine.
In the end, I pay attention to whether or not my avreage is rising or falling. If it is rising, then I am learning to speak to everyone. If it is falling, then I might still like the image, and it might be a good image to me and some others, but I am not communicating to everyone. Which, sometimes you don't need to do. Sometimes you want to only speak to a few, rather than the whole room at once. When this is so, then don't get wrapped up in the score. |
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08/21/2008 10:02:42 AM · #17 |
VOTE FOR PEDRO
he will make your wildest dreams come true
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08/21/2008 10:35:54 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
VOTE FOR PEDRO
he will make your wildest dreams come true |
Did you drop out of the race Slippy? Thought you were a write-in candidate.
1-totally sucks, blurry grainy, unidentifieable. I don't think I've ever given a 1
2- brown ribbon for sure. Grainy, blurry, lots of artifacts, shadows and blown highlights. lousy snapshot
3- The average snapshot someone takes if they don't know anything about photography. Or an entry from Whiterook (He's awesome, BTW. Has quite a fan base here.)
4- basic exposure and composition is good and shows effort and some knowledge. A decent effort, but lacking somehow compared to other DPC stuff.
5- A good shot, but nothing that stands out over the rest. No shame in getting a 5. Something that averages in the high 5's will probably get wowed over elsewhere.
6- Something stands out to me about this one. Really liking it.
7- Really good stuff.
8- Getting into "WOW" territory. 50% chance I will fave this.
9- How to you do it? Do you have a life outside photography?
10- I am in awe.
Other factors:
-If I feel the entry does not meet the challenge topic (a.k.a. a "shoehorn" entry) I will rate it on the quality of the shot, but then deduct 1-3 points depending on how far off base I think it is. If I am the only one that feels that way, then my slightly lower vote won't hurt it much.
-Sometimes an extra point or 2 for an outstandingly creative idea but an average shot.
-I often give a lower vote for visible compression artifacts that could have been easily avoided. If there are visible artifacts and a small file size, I will ding you. I have often low voted high scoring images for this when everyone else wows over it. If I ding you on this, I will leave a comment about it, so that you know why it got that low vote from me.
-Although personal taste is part of the process, I try to rate on the quality of the photo. If I don't personally care for it, but still think it is good work, I won't low vote it.
Message edited by author 2008-08-21 10:36:41. |
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08/25/2008 08:05:56 AM · #19 |
| On thing that I have been doing (when I can find the time to vote) is to comment on every one of the first 10-20% of the photos in the random order that come up. That way I will (hopefully) not end up commenting on all the same ones as everyone else. I try to make 1-2 points on what I liked and 1-2 points on what could be improved. There is nothing worse than having a subission score 4.7 - 5.5 and have two comments that say "nice photo". I think if more folks did this, we could even out the comment distribution a bit more. |
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