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08/19/2008 11:32:47 AM · #1 |
I never thought they would go so well
Its the first time that the #1 country isnt the US or the USSR
Good for them, Im always glad to see someone break the status quo
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08/19/2008 11:34:55 AM · #2 |
I think it's great though I keep waiting for the hammer to drop with some big doping scandal.
Only time will tell.
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08/19/2008 12:00:43 PM · #3 |
I'm still seeing about a 3 medal lead for the US.
Also....I've been seeing around the net about China this China that....I'm glad for China...China...China...
While I'm very happy for any athlete to win, you must keep in mind what "China" is. Their people are not truly free. The Chinese people do not even have full access to the internet. Many felt that the games should not be held there because of this. Others said games should be held there to "bring them closer to freedom".
Message edited by author 2008-08-19 12:02:58. |
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08/19/2008 12:13:29 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
I'm still seeing about a 3 medal lead for the US.
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In total yes, but China's gold count is more than twice that of the US.
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08/19/2008 12:34:52 PM · #5 |
They can have 200 gold medals. One bronze should not have been awarded. The individual valult where the Chinese Gymnast landed on her knees...this gymnast should not have been awarded a bonze.
Edit: And I bet they'd trade 20 golds for the one gold that thier 110 hurdler would possibly have won!
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by kenskid:
I'm still seeing about a 3 medal lead for the US.
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In total yes, but China's gold count is more than twice that of the US. |
Message edited by author 2008-08-19 12:35:54. |
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08/19/2008 12:47:33 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
They can have 200 gold medals. One bronze should not have been awarded. The individual valult where the Chinese Gymnast landed on her knees...this gymnast should not have been awarded a bonze. |
Wow, I haven't been watching but how the hell does that happen? were there only 3 competitors?
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08/19/2008 12:49:29 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by dknourek:
Originally posted by kenskid:
They can have 200 gold medals. One bronze should not have been awarded. The individual valult where the Chinese Gymnast landed on her knees...this gymnast should not have been awarded a bonze. |
Wow, I haven't been watching but how the hell does that happen? were there only 3 competitors? |
Or other gymnasts had lower scores (read: did a lot worse).
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08/19/2008 01:00:52 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
While I'm very happy for any athlete to win, you must keep in mind what "China" is. Their people are not truly free. The Chinese people do not even have full access to the internet. Many felt that the games should not be held there because of this. Others said games should be held there to "bring them closer to freedom". |
Personal freedoms to all citizenry have never been a prerequisite to hosting the Olympic games or World Championships, nor is full access to the Internet a right to all citizens globally. Would it be better if it were? Sure? But these perceptions are not shared by all people, cultures and societies.
China has done an admirable job as host and the coordination of the games has been spectacular. The performance of the Chinese athletes have exceeded most projections and they have contributed greatly to the morale of population. The same can be said for the other countries in the top 5 - US, Russia, Australia and Great Britain.
Individually, the amount of world records that have been eclipsed is astonishing.
This page shows both the weighted average of rank as well as total medals: Medals |
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08/19/2008 01:12:44 PM · #9 |
On world records:
Where do you think the 100 meter record will "end"?
I mean, it is always being broken and may even go down to 9.5** in the coming months.
Will it ever be possible to run it in 9.1 or 8.6 or 4.7 ? Where will it stop?
Originally posted by signal2noise:
Originally posted by kenskid:
While I'm very happy for any athlete to win, you must keep in mind what "China" is. Their people are not truly free. The Chinese people do not even have full access to the internet. Many felt that the games should not be held there because of this. Others said games should be held there to "bring them closer to freedom". |
Personal freedoms to all citizenry have never been a prerequisite to hosting the Olympic games or World Championships, nor is full access to the Internet a right to all citizens globally. Would it be better if it were? Sure? But these perceptions are not shared by all people, cultures and societies.
China has done an admirable job as host and the coordination of the games has been spectacular. The performance of the Chinese athletes have exceeded most projections and they have contributed greatly to the morale of population. The same can be said for the other countries in the top 5 - US, Russia, Australia and Great Britain.
Individually, the amount of world records that have been eclipsed is astonishing.
This page shows both the weighted average of rank as well as total medals: Medals |
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08/19/2008 01:15:04 PM · #10 |
So in your opinion as well as the judges you think that girl "4" did that much worse than girl "3" even though girl "3" had very bad errors on her hand position at take off, and landed on her knees?
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by dknourek:
Originally posted by kenskid:
They can have 200 gold medals. One bronze should not have been awarded. The individual valult where the Chinese Gymnast landed on her knees...this gymnast should not have been awarded a bonze. |
Wow, I haven't been watching but how the hell does that happen? were there only 3 competitors? |
Or other gymnasts had lower scores (read: did a lot worse). |
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08/19/2008 01:16:22 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
So in your opinion as well as the judges you think that girl "4" did that much worse than girl "3" even though girl "3" had very bad errors on her hand position at take off, and landed on her knees?
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by dknourek:
Originally posted by kenskid:
They can have 200 gold medals. One bronze should not have been awarded. The individual valult where the Chinese Gymnast landed on her knees...this gymnast should not have been awarded a bonze. |
Wow, I haven't been watching but how the hell does that happen? were there only 3 competitors? |
Or other gymnasts had lower scores (read: did a lot worse). |
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I don't judge gymnastics. What was the degree of difficulty of the vaults for all competitors? How much of a deduction is there for a bad landing?
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08/19/2008 01:19:20 PM · #12 |
It was on the individual vault. The bronze medalist had major errors throughout one of her vaults. This included landing on her knees. In the opinions of commentators and former coaches, the vault was so bad it should have taken her out of the medal competition. They said it is no different than falling off the beam (which an American did) or falling off the bars, or falling on you butt in the floor excersices.
Originally posted by dknourek:
Originally posted by kenskid:
They can have 200 gold medals. One bronze should not have been awarded. The individual valult where the Chinese Gymnast landed on her knees...this gymnast should not have been awarded a bonze. |
Wow, I haven't been watching but how the hell does that happen? were there only 3 competitors? |
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08/19/2008 01:22:34 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
I think it's great though I keep waiting for the hammer to drop with some big doping scandal.
Only time will tell. |
As a certified Olympics Junkie. I have to say it wont be a doping scandel, as the athletes are tested and tested again. I'd have to say more then likely there will be a scoring scandal, especially in the Gymnastics portion. Some huge oversights allowing several of the Chinese men and women to medal. Its almost as if the judges have closed their eyes sometimes.
Matt
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08/19/2008 01:24:31 PM · #14 |
I can just tell you what other pros and experts have been reporting. (Not just American experts). That her bad takeoff (hand position) led to bad technique/position in the air which led to her landing on her knees. Very major deductions that should have taken her out of medal contention.
They point to the "inexperience" of the judges. Currently you can not have a judge judging any gym event from a country that has a participant in the envent.
This means that in that competition there were no US, Russian, Chinese, Romainian judges. This is good and bad. No crying that a judge cheated but also limits to judges that are not experienced.
I think they had 4 judges from countries that have never medaled in the competition they were judging.
I'm not saying anyone cheated...just that scoring inconsistancy from inexperienced judges fouled up that competition.
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by kenskid:
So in your opinion as well as the judges you think that girl "4" did that much worse than girl "3" even though girl "3" had very bad errors on her hand position at take off, and landed on her knees?
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by dknourek:
Originally posted by kenskid:
They can have 200 gold medals. One bronze should not have been awarded. The individual valult where the Chinese Gymnast landed on her knees...this gymnast should not have been awarded a bonze. |
Wow, I haven't been watching but how the hell does that happen? were there only 3 competitors? |
Or other gymnasts had lower scores (read: did a lot worse). |
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I don't judge gymnastics. What was the degree of difficulty of the vaults for all competitors? How much of a deduction is there for a bad landing? |
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08/19/2008 01:27:27 PM · #15 |
What about the ages? I read that some of the gymnasts are really only 13 but they are participating and winning medals and being passed off as 16 year olds.
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08/19/2008 01:27:40 PM · #16 |
Here's an analysis:
//gymnastics.suite101.com/article.cfm/2008_olympic_womens_gymnastics_scoring
It appears that the degree of difficulty for the bronze medalist's vaults was much higher than that of the 4th place finisher giving a much higher A score. So even though the B score is lower the combination of the two put her ahead.
The scoring system:
//gymnastics.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_new_womens_gymnastics_scoring_system
Message edited by author 2008-08-19 13:28:46.
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08/19/2008 01:29:55 PM · #17 |
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08/19/2008 01:31:17 PM · #18 |
| Only in Canada is hockey considered a summer sport :p |
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08/19/2008 01:37:20 PM · #19 |
Makes no sense to me. It needs to be reworked and I think it will be. If you can land on your knees and still medal because your degree of difficulty was higher then they all should start with some ungodly degree and even if they foul up they may medal.
Hell...I'll start out saying I'm going to do a quintuple, reverse flip while brushing my teeth in the air. That should give me a big enough starting "score" that even if the toothbrush ends up in my eyeball I could medal. ;-)
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08/19/2008 01:38:10 PM · #20 |
I tell ya...their uneven bar winner looks 10-12 to me but who can know for sure?
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
What about the ages? I read that some of the gymnasts are really only 13 but they are participating and winning medals and being passed off as 16 year olds. |
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08/19/2008 01:50:27 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
I tell ya...their uneven bar winner looks 10-12 to me but who can know for sure? |
That does beg the question... why is there an age minimum? If preteens can compete/excel at this level, why are they unable to participate?
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08/19/2008 01:54:25 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by signal2noise:
Originally posted by kenskid:
I tell ya...their uneven bar winner looks 10-12 to me but who can know for sure? |
That does beg the question... why is there an age minimum? If preteens can compete/excel at this level, why are they unable to participate? |
It has something to do with a history of children being used/abused wrongly in order to make them Olympic ready. I heard something about it on the radio, but wasn't listening too closely. I'm sure that looking it up online would yield some answers. |
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08/19/2008 02:09:39 PM · #23 |
My understanding is that pre-teens (or those not having gone through puberty) have the advantage of size and flexibility over someone older. If you start training someone at age 3 or 4, they will completely change at puberty.
Now, I don't know squat about gymnastics, but I do know that going through puberty made me the most awkward, clumsy poor soul you've ever seen. So, if I were going to compete, it definitely needed to be before then. |
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08/19/2008 02:11:48 PM · #24 |
This is correct to a point...but also....
It is well known that "smaller" "lighter" gymnasts are better. They're better on the vault, bars and beam.
On the age thing:
I heard on the broadcast I forgot which day on NBC. The 20 year old on the current Chinese women's team was "taken" (NBC's word) from her family at 3 years old to be a gymnast. She saw her parents ONCE a year. She once as a young teen wanted to quit and come home. Her parents denied her request because it was a high honor to be on the Chinese team.
IMO there should surely be an age limit for Olympic/World competition.
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by signal2noise:
Originally posted by kenskid:
I tell ya...their uneven bar winner looks 10-12 to me but who can know for sure? |
That does beg the question... why is there an age minimum? If preteens can compete/excel at this level, why are they unable to participate? |
It has something to do with a history of children being used/abused wrongly in order to make them Olympic ready. I heard something about it on the radio, but wasn't listening too closely. I'm sure that looking it up online would yield some answers. |
Message edited by author 2008-08-19 14:12:46. |
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08/19/2008 02:18:29 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by kenskid:
They can have 200 gold medals. One bronze should not have been awarded. The individual valult where the Chinese Gymnast landed on her knees...this gymnast should not have been awarded a bonze. |
That was totally bogus, wasn't it? Alicia Sacramone was totally ripped off. Of course, that was just one of several blatant ripoffs in the gymnastics judging at this year's games.
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