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08/07/2008 01:05:46 AM · #1 |
I know this is not the best forum in the world to ask this question being a Canon forum and all but...
Why am I seeing so many Nikon cameras in use over Canons?
I did some pretty extensive research before deciding on Canon. The deciding factor was Canon's sensor. The reviews I read tauted their low noise levels at higher ISO settings, because of they way the developed them over Nikon.
Anyway, here lately I've been seeing Nikons everywhere. A few hobbiest I've met are using, they seem to standard issue for theme park photographers, and the local paper. The profs at the local university recommend them with a "just get a Nikon". Even the girl that came to the house the other day to take some shots for the real estate company had a Nikon.
What am I missing? Certainly there is not that big of a discrepancy between Nikon and Canon to warrant such a uneven balance. |
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08/07/2008 01:11:47 AM · #2 |
| I think there are more canon users total here. You researched right canon for the win! Lol actually no one will honestly admit this but me but..... They both make damn good cameras. It's more about ergonomics and price... (runs and hides) |
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08/07/2008 01:22:53 AM · #3 |
Patrick's got it right - they're both good.
eing12, I'm curious why you think this is a Canon forum. |
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08/07/2008 01:31:27 AM · #4 |
Well this is the oddest thread...
Anyway, yeah both are good. Nikon started the game, Canon caught up and the market pushed Nikon down, Nikon caught up and popped Canon in the jaw, it is now Canon's move, then it will be Nikon's again...
If Nikon didn't come out with the D300 I would own a Canon right now and probably be pretty happy with it too. And if it wasn't for a review of the 18-200mm lens I would never have even considered Nikon or Nikkor in the first place. :)
It is a crazy world, the only question is, who will get the last move in this game... ;)
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08/07/2008 01:32:44 AM · #5 |
It's interesting really. Some people take cameras way too seriously. Honestly, it's just a camera. At this point, Nikon, Canon, and all the other manufacturers make great cameras suitable for every type of photographer.
I'm not sure what level of camera you are looking for, whether it be budget-level, semi-pro, or even 'flagship' model cameras, but as far as budget level goes, they are all practically the same. Sure there is one feature here or there that's different, but the feel, handling, and functionality is what makes the camera right for you.
Semi-pro models and up is really where the "big" differences take place. Whether it's got a full-frame sensor, how many AF points it has, how does it handle low-light, etc'...
This site should, and in my opinion has proven, that the camera doesn't matter at all. You can see absolutely stunning images come from Nikon cameras, Canon cameras, Sony, Olympus, Pentax, and etc'. All either flagship, semi-pro, budget level, and even discontinued cameras with a megapixel count as low as 4 megapixels. Honestly, you have camera phone shots that look great...
So what I'm trying to prove is that there is no, and most likely never will be a "Fact-Based" winner in the camera industry. Every photographer has his or her opinion and preference. There will always be someone who disagrees with you, and that can't be changed.
It's just, a camera... |
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08/07/2008 02:02:49 AM · #6 |
AC gives a rather good reply there - while all cameras are not created equal, they serve different needs (and budgets).
Anyway, maybe to share some light into your question of, why are nikons being used "if" canon is the king (quoting what you said in your original post) - what i find from a nikon totting friend who got his gear from his local newspaper is "nikons are more durable and reliable in the field". i wonder if that helps at all. |
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08/07/2008 05:53:12 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by AC:
It's interesting really. Some people take cameras way too seriously. Honestly, it's just a camera. At this point, Nikon, Canon, and all the other manufacturers make great cameras suitable for every type of photographer.
I'm not sure what level of camera you are looking for, whether it be budget-level, semi-pro, or even 'flagship' model cameras, but as far as budget level goes, they are all practically the same. Sure there is one feature here or there that's different, but the feel, handling, and functionality is what makes the camera right for you.
Semi-pro models and up is really where the "big" differences take place. Whether it's got a full-frame sensor, how many AF points it has, how does it handle low-light, etc'...
This site should, and in my opinion has proven, that the camera doesn't matter at all. You can see absolutely stunning images come from Nikon cameras, Canon cameras, Sony, Olympus, Pentax, and etc'. All either flagship, semi-pro, budget level, and even discontinued cameras with a megapixel count as low as 4 megapixels. Honestly, you have camera phone shots that look great...
So what I'm trying to prove is that there is no, and most likely never will be a "Fact-Based" winner in the camera industry. Every photographer has his or her opinion and preference. There will always be someone who disagrees with you, and that can't be changed.
It's just, a camera... |
Good stuff here.....
The only thing I'd change a little is that the "Big Two" do have the slightest advantage in support.
Nikon and Canon are available EVERYWHERE.
I find the whole Nikon vs Canon amusing on a personal level from experience.
I had two Canon A-is......the second because I loved the A-1 so much that when I wore the first one out, I bought another.
Had the 350D felt as good in my hand as the A-1, I would have bought it, but my D70s is a perfect fit.
That was the sole deciding factor for my switch to Nikon.
They are both excellent.
And like another poster, I have to wonder where the OP got the idea that this is a Canon site.
It says "DP Challenge".....A digital photography contest.....
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08/07/2008 05:59:21 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
...Had the 350D felt as good in my hand as the A-1, I would have bought it, but my D70s is a perfect fit.
That was the sole deciding factor for my switch to Nikon... |
Oh God don't you know it. I didn't get to sample my D300 before buying it, mail-order ftw! I was really worried about how it would fit my hand. Once it got here and I picked it up I must have ran around for ten minutes with it stuck to my hand like some new weapon of doom, my hand just seemed to blend into it. I really had no idea a camera could feel so good to hold. |
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08/07/2008 06:01:28 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Patrick's got it right - they're both good.
eing12, I'm curious why you think this is a Canon forum. |
Because it's a direct copy and paste from another thread he started, heh.
Canon Digital Photography Forum |
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08/07/2008 06:08:14 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by aliqui:
Originally posted by levyj413:
Patrick's got it right - they're both good.
eing12, I'm curious why you think this is a Canon forum. |
Because it's a direct copy and paste from another thread he started, heh.
Canon Digital Photography Forum |
Awesome detective skills aliqui! |
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08/07/2008 06:29:56 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by togtog:
Originally posted by aliqui:
Originally posted by levyj413:
Patrick's got it right - they're both good.
eing12, I'm curious why you think this is a Canon forum. |
Because it's a direct copy and paste from another thread he started, heh.
Canon Digital Photography Forum |
Awesome detective skills aliqui! |
Interesting... This thread is also a copy and paste from a different user on the Canon forum. |
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08/07/2008 06:34:27 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by aliqui:
Originally posted by togtog:
Originally posted by aliqui:
Originally posted by levyj413:
Patrick's got it right - they're both good.
eing12, I'm curious why you think this is a Canon forum. |
Because it's a direct copy and paste from another thread he started, heh.
Canon Digital Photography Forum |
Awesome detective skills aliqui! |
Interesting... This thread is also a copy and paste from a different user on the Canon forum. |
As is This one from a Graphic Design forum.
I'm sensing a trend, but will stop there.
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08/07/2008 06:40:55 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by aliqui:
Originally posted by aliqui:
Originally posted by togtog:
Originally posted by aliqui:
Originally posted by levyj413:
Patrick's got it right - they're both good.
eing12, I'm curious why you think this is a Canon forum. |
Because it's a direct copy and paste from another thread he started, heh.
Canon Digital Photography Forum |
Awesome detective skills aliqui! |
Interesting... This thread is also a copy and paste from a different user on the Canon forum. |
As is This one from a Graphic Design forum.
I'm sensing a trend, but will stop there. |
Support Stricter Immigration Laws.... :)
Message edited by author 2008-08-07 06:41:26.
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08/07/2008 07:45:37 AM · #14 |
I sat in a sears store for 40 minutes while some sales guys hovered around waiting for me to make a decision. Then in the end ti came down to the feel of the camera in my hand. The Nikon just fit better. I also liked the fact that every Nikon lense ever made will fit my camera(i really like old MF glass) There is also a huge base of support and literally innumerable accesories, Mounts etc for nikon cameras. In general the sensor issue is largely overblown and for all but the most extreme photos is a non-issue. Spend some time at dpreview.com and you will see that that is mostly just hype.
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08/07/2008 09:02:27 AM · #15 |
Until recently Canon was far ahead of Nikon in cameras - lens offerings, body choices, noise, etc. Nikon is catching up. Canon is a pro's camera - they support pros in many ways, advertise to the pros, etc - Nikon advertises a LOT to consumers - their 40D/50D ads were everywhere. There are more amateurs/consumers here than pros so Nikons appear more numerous. I haven't seen a change in the pro field but a few are looking at some of the Nikon bodies now that the high ISO is useable on them. Canon hasn't really brought anything new since last fall as opposed to Nikons more recent releases.
It's good for Canon users that Nikon is finally a player in the field - it may push canon to new levels!
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08/07/2008 10:01:41 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Until recently Canon was far ahead of Nikon in cameras - lens offerings, body choices, noise, etc. Nikon is catching up. Canon is a pro's camera - they support pros in many ways, advertise to the pros, etc - Nikon advertises a LOT to consumers - their 40D/50D ads were everywhere. There are more amateurs/consumers here than pros so Nikons appear more numerous. I haven't seen a change in the pro field but a few are looking at some of the Nikon bodies now that the high ISO is useable on them. Canon hasn't really brought anything new since last fall as opposed to Nikons more recent releases.
It's good for Canon users that Nikon is finally a player in the field - it may push canon to new levels! |
Some of the discussion on the D300 and the D3 would seem to indicate that Nikon is just as much a pros camera as cannon if not more so(at the moment). I think if one looks back at Nikon's product line over the years you will find that Nikon has been just as prolific and just as professional as any other camera maker(it has been argued that the Nikon F is one of the most significant camera lines ever produced, Nikon literally reshaped the face of photography). I think it is a little elitist of people to discuss cannon as some sort of uber professional maker and everyone else as playing catchup, that simply isn't the reality of the situation. Cannon has certainly hit the ball out of the park with a number of its cameras over the years and has a deservedly good reputation with their lenses, but Nikon and others have just as impressive a legacy of firsts, innovations and accolades. Kodak was the first with marketable digital SLRs(based on modified Nikon cameras), Nikon the first to produce a Professional Grade DSLR(2 years before cannon got in the act), Sony with in camera VR, Cannon was first with a Full frame DSLR. They are all great companies, choose what fits you.
Message edited by author 2008-08-07 11:57:07.
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08/07/2008 10:42:04 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by jhomrighaus:
...Kodak was the first with digital SLRs, Nikon the first to produce a Professional Grade DSLR(2 years before cannon got in the act)... |
Small correction :)
Nikon invented the concept of a digital SLR 5 years before Kodak produced the first commercial DSLR, which was based on the Nikon F3 camera body. Linky |
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08/07/2008 11:55:27 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by togtog:
Originally posted by jhomrighaus:
...Kodak was the first with digital SLRs, Nikon the first to produce a Professional Grade DSLR(2 years before cannon got in the act)... |
Small correction :)
Nikon invented the concept of a digital SLR 5 years before Kodak produced the first commercial DSLR, which was based on the Nikon F3 camera body. Linky |
Thanks and good point! For Pros it was the Kodak that was the first really viable machine, forgot about the Nikon Lineage.
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08/07/2008 01:16:35 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Until recently Canon was far ahead of Nikon in cameras - lens offerings, body choices, noise, etc. Nikon is catching up. Canon is a pro's camera - they support pros in many ways, advertise to the pros, etc - Nikon advertises a LOT to consumers - their 40D/50D ads were everywhere. There are more amateurs/consumers here than pros so Nikons appear more numerous. I haven't seen a change in the pro field but a few are looking at some of the Nikon bodies now that the high ISO is useable on them. Canon hasn't really brought anything new since last fall as opposed to Nikons more recent releases.
It's good for Canon users that Nikon is finally a player in the field - it may push canon to new levels! |
Umm...
I'm guessing you must be somewhat new to photography.
Perhaps you may have heard of a camera called a Nikon F?
You obviously need to read this
The intro: "The Nikon F is arguably the most significant SLR in 35mm history. Introduced in March 1959, the F immediately became Nikon's best seller and established Nikon as the Professional's 1st choice."
Sometimes you really go right off the charts!......8>)
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08/07/2008 09:47:53 PM · #20 |
it's not important who invented the thing first, or who created the first of anything.
more importantly is "kaizen"(changing, improving?) the art of improvising existing creations into something better.
look around us, most of the better things are produced not by the same company who invented or started them.
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08/07/2008 10:02:04 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by crayon:
it's not important who invented the thing first, or who created the first of anything.
more importantly is "kaizen"(changing, improving?) the art of improvising existing creations into something better.
look around us, most of the better things are produced not by the same company who invented or started them. |
I think us Nikons just want to make sure you Canons know where your toys came from when you make claims certain companies are not professional and seem to imply it has always been such. In the terms of things, Canon was the last ones onto the ball field, they played a mean game regardless and were able to catch up for the lost time, however the game isn't over and so far this inning they seem to be pooping out, not all the crowd is cheering their names any longer, their bats are cracking. Rumor has it that they have a star player on the bench ready to hit a home run, but no one has seen him yet. They are going to need one to counter Nikons latest moves, but if they do, will it be enough?
I'm not really voting for either team, both are just companies selling a product. Nikon started the market, they invented the game, but couldn't keep up with the pace it went. Maybe they were hurting for ideas, maybe Canon was better at securing exclusive deals on processors and sensors. In any case Canon flew to the front and made sure to use at least half their profits to advertise, to boast their products beyond any other. Now Nikon has made up for most if not all the lost time and is causing life-long Canon users to dump their cameras to get D3s. Nikon may not have the PR clout and fan base that Canon does, but they make up for it in the hardware. We'll just have to see who makes the next move, could be Sigma for all we know.
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08/07/2008 10:07:39 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by crayon:
it's not important who invented the thing first, or who created the first of anything.
more importantly is "kaizen"(changing, improving?) the art of improvising existing creations into something better.
look around us, most of the better things are produced not by the same company who invented or started them. |
Are you implying that Nikon has not been an innovator in the camera world. There are many that would point out that Nikon currently makes one of if not the best camera on the market and has been in that position more than a few times over the years including in recent years. Cannon does not have exclusive right to innovation or market leadership and they have certainly not dominated the field in any appreciable way. Here is a very comprehensive discussion on the subject,
Ken Rockwell(need anyone say more)
A brief google search of nikon cannon and market share will shed light on the fact that both companies are 800 pound gorrillas and neither one is the clear winner.
I myself have a cannon SD550 P&S which is wonderful, and my D40 is wonderful. This entire line of reasoning is so stupid its stupid. Yet it continues to thrive through ignorance.
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08/07/2008 11:26:36 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by togtog:
I think us Nikons just want to make sure you Canons know where your toys came from when you make claims certain companies are not professional and seem to imply it has always been such. |
Originally posted by jhomrighaus:
Are you implying that Nikon has not been an innovator in the camera world. |
Guys, sorry i forgot i got Canon listed under my name. My post above did not specifically mean Canon vs Nikon. Heck, i was actually referring to almost everything ever invented, be it the portable music player, handheld devices, cars, planes, pizza, ice-cream, anything! sorry if i didnt made it clear that i wasn't taking sides. guess my point was actually simple - in a debate of which is better, the argument of who invented it first isnt really a strong point.
p/s: btw if you look at my camera list, i'm not a brand loyal person at all - i've got nikon, fuji, canon, even a nokia cam :/
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08/07/2008 11:31:59 PM · #24 |
| i also think Nikon is on a big marketing push, i was just in Southern California last month and Disneyland, Universal Studios and Sea World all have people at various spots who will take your picture for free and post to their web site to purchase. a cool idea but my point is all these parks used Nikon, they must have cut them a great deal or gave them for free for marketing purposes. everyone who gets their picture taken see's that big yellow Nikon on the camera and strap. |
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08/08/2008 12:03:38 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by crayon:
Guys, sorry i forgot i got Canon listed under my name. My post above did not specifically mean Canon vs Nikon. Heck, i was actually referring to almost everything ever invented, be it the portable music player, handheld devices, cars, planes, pizza, ice-cream, anything! sorry if i didnt made it clear that i wasn't taking sides. guess my point was actually simple - in a debate of which is better, the argument of who invented it first isnt really a strong point.
p/s: btw if you look at my camera list, i'm not a brand loyal person at all - i've got nikon, fuji, canon, even a nokia cam :/ |
No worries crayon, sorry if it came off as an attack on my part, wasn't intended :) |
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