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11/13/2003 12:09:43 PM · #1 |
For us members to whom English is not primary languague is very hard to compete in challenges with such names:
Literalism
Grace
Sacred Places
Propaganda
ETC.......
Those terms have literal but also cultural meaning,to someone COW is sacred,to others is just of pile of Steaks !
Grace does not even exist in my languague,I have no idea what is it!
Can we start using more common terms for a change?
What the HELL is Literalism?
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11/13/2003 12:12:11 PM · #2 |
Kosta, many examples of "literalism", including links to other sites for more examples, have been given in this thread.
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11/13/2003 12:14:13 PM · #3 |
Sounds like Right wing Republican conspiracy going on here,LOL!
on all of those terms I can display a photo of American flag and perfectly meet the challenges! |
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11/13/2003 12:15:19 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Those terms have literal but also cultural meaning,to someone COW is sacred,to others is just of pile of Steaks ! |
I hate to break this to you, but a pile of steaks is sacred for many people. |
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11/13/2003 12:16:42 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Trinch:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Those terms have literal but also cultural meaning,to someone COW is sacred,to others is just of pile of Steaks ! |
I hate to break this to you, but a pile of steaks is sacred for many people. |
Oh yes! Medium please! With mashed potatoes!
Message edited by author 2003-11-13 12:32:42. |
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11/13/2003 12:24:15 PM · #6 |
Beyond the title challenge you also have the challenge details that explains it a little more easier than using a word that may not be translatable. "Take a common phrase and create a photographic representation of it." - other than a common phrase in X language may not be common in English or American English, it should, fairly, play only a small part in someone's voting process. Unfortunately, DPC isnt a perfect world and so you'll have to decide if whatever you submit is going to meet the standards of all voters, some voters, or the literal voters. Of course that applies to all images submitted by everyone if you are entering to appease the entire voting public instead of getting critiques and showing off your stuff.
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11/13/2003 12:31:24 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Originally posted by Trinch:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Those terms have literal but also cultural meaning,to someone COW is sacred,to others is just of pile of Steaks ! |
I hate to break this to you, but a pile of steaks is sacred for many people. |
Oh yes! Medium rear please! With mashed potatoes! |
Pits, you want a medium what??!!??
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11/13/2003 01:03:01 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
For us members to whom English is not primary languague is very hard to compete in challenges with such names:
Literalism
Grace
Sacred Places
Propaganda
ETC.......
Those terms have literal but also cultural meaning,to someone COW is sacred,to others is just of pile of Steaks !
Grace does not even exist in my languague,I have no idea what is it!
Can we start using more common terms for a change?
What the HELL is Literalism? |
I agree with you on 'Literalism'. On first sight, my reaction was the same as yours: What the hell do they mean by this? And like moodville already sd., I went to the challenge details, and there it was: all spelled out.
As 'Grace', I can't believe you don't have a word for it. Grace has been around long before the English speaking world stole it from the Romans. It's stock terminology for catholics especially, and considering where you're from, chances are good you know someone with that faith. ;-)
Propaganda too, runs rampant in Macedonia (?), as I am sure you have friends, neighbous or relatives who consider some things or locations holy and inviolate.
To me, these challenges have been interesting and rewarding, if only because they afforded me some insight into other conventions, people and cultures. Or, to put it your way ;-): If you got it, flaunt it.
I have no doubt you got it. :-)
Message edited by author 2003-11-13 13:03:56. |
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11/13/2003 02:49:08 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Grace does not even exist in my languague,I have no idea what is it! |
Haha, you said it buddy. |
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11/13/2003 04:53:44 PM · #10 |
[quote=moodville]Beyond the title challenge you also have the challenge details that explains it a little more easier than using a word that may not be translatable. [quote]
I disagree! I think the details need to be absolutely clear we've had weeks of forum discussion because challenge details were unclear and/or open to such a wide interpretation that a pic which might have with a little more explanation fit a challenge perfectly was voted low because it was not clear that it could fit the challenge or people take a narrow view when voting and vote low anything that isn't in their limited scope.
Perfect example would be the book title's challenge. many of the picture titles don't sound like actual titles. they may be literal bablefish translations of foreign book titles. they may be actual english book titles. they may be so obscure as to never have been printed except for 7 copies in 1964. or they might have ignored the challenge all together and just posted their best pic of the week without any book research. we have no way of knowing. and for many of us we are voting and voting down with limited highschool english knowledge.
Also are the pix supposed to be a visual interpretation of the story of the book or just the title done in a literal style example "the thornbirds" birds with thorns or priest and a woman in an embrace (forgive me if there is a "thornbirds" pic)
the rules need to be spelled out for the left brained. a nice thing to include in the rules for a challenge is the dictionary translation of the challenge subject like "propaganda" I know there have been many who have done this in the forums but unless it's done officially there really is no reason to accept this as the intent of the challenge although you can bet a lot of the voters will.
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11/13/2003 04:56:55 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by joannadiva:
the rules need to be spelled out for the left brained. a nice thing to include in the rules for a challenge is the dictionary translation of the challenge subject like "propaganda" I know there have been many who have done this in the forums but unless it's done officially there really is no reason to accept this as the intent of the challenge although you can bet a lot of the voters will. |
Why not provide a picture that people have to recreate ? That would remove all the ambiguity... |
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11/13/2003 04:58:00 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by joannadiva:
I think the details need to be absolutely clear |
me too!
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11/13/2003 05:24:40 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by joannadiva:
[quote=moodville]Beyond the title challenge you also have the challenge details that explains it a little more easier than using a word that may not be translatable. [quote]
I disagree! I think the details need to be absolutely clear we've had weeks of forum discussion because challenge details were unclear and/or open to such a wide interpretation that a pic which might have with a little more explanation fit a challenge perfectly was voted low because it was not clear that it could fit the challenge or people take a narrow view when voting and vote low anything that isn't in their limited scope. |
I agree that they could be better worded, however, it would be wrong to blame low votes from people who choose to interpret the challenge to their own personal definition on the challenge details. If by better worded you mean very specific so there is no range for interpretation then you are likely going to have a very boring challenge.
Example: Measurement - Take a picture of a wooden (oak) ruler with red numbering that is exactly 12 inches long. The position of the photograph must be horizontal, as should the ruler. It must be placed on a black felt fabric with no distracting marks and recently ironed.
Actually, I'm sure there is even some range for interpretation in that specific challenge detail too, enough that people could call others on it. You are going to find that some people are just looking to find flaws, and meeting the challenge by the voter's own personal definition is the easiest one to use.
The book title challenge didnt specify it had to be a literal representation of the title. It said the title for your photograph had to have an appropriate title. The title just needed to be the same as a book. So, you could have interpretated that any way you wanted, however, if you are interested in votes then you would dismiss anything you would think would score you low and go with the 'safe' interpretation that you know those people who are very literal would be satisfied with.
Message edited by author 2003-11-13 17:29:41.
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11/13/2003 06:49:07 PM · #14 |
no matter how explicit you make the challenges and their details, you'll always have people who either don't get it or take it in their own direction -- and what you eventually end up with are threads that push the agendas of those entries that don't follow the mainstream
for example, how much less ambiguous could INSECTS or SPORTS be? but the significant percentage of non-insect and non-sport photos indicates ... well, you decide, but i think it means that all challenges - no matter what the wording is AND even if the clear intent of the challenge cannot be argued - are open to interpretation
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11/13/2003 07:06:34 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Originally posted by Trinch:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Those terms have literal but also cultural meaning,to someone COW is sacred,to others is just of pile of Steaks ! |
I hate to break this to you, but a pile of steaks is sacred for many people. |
Oh yes! Medium please! With mashed potatoes! |
Andd to some other people, 'medium' steaks are sacriligious (the opposite of sacred, for those without English as a first language)
Ed
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11/14/2003 10:40:35 PM · #16 |
I've been a bit worried about the language barriers involved in this challenge. "A common phrase" is not just potentially langauge specific, but even region specific. I foresee a lot of complaints and hurt feelings when voting starts....
Though I've been having a lot of fun coming up with ideas for this one. |
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