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07/15/2008 11:53:52 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by togtog:
On a more serious note. I don't believe there is a genuine connection between photography and being a pervert, even being in a park. I would like to know where the publics fear of photography is not only stemming from but being reinforced and encouraged. |
The wild and wooly web perhaps?? Dateline NBC? ?? |
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07/15/2008 11:56:29 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by Mr_Pants:
Originally posted by TCGuru:
LOL! We should invite him to join DPC!! ROFL!
Attention: The following is a joke. It is intended to make the masses laugh and should not be taken seriously. It is based on truth but some of it is pure speculation. (I figured this appropriate considering the reactions of the people at the park).
He is a rubber consultant... ummmmmmmmm... hello? that has perv written allllll over it ;) |
I saw the 'rubber consultant' bit and wondered if, in a bout of subtle industrial espionage, he was taking photos of the inflatable slide. Am I on to something, do you think? |
You may have hit the proverbial nail on the head there!! hmmmmmmm |
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07/15/2008 11:56:58 AM · #28 |
| I thought you guys already knew we were terrorists and perverts! |
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07/15/2008 11:57:45 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by togtog:
On a more serious note. I don't believe there is a genuine connection between photography and being a pervert, even being in a park. I would like to know where the publics fear of photography is not only stemming from but being reinforced and encouraged. |
You're not serious, are you?
Genuine connection, dare not be that blatant in definition. Implied? Most certainly! Its a form of "criminal profiling". The camera, a hard drive and the web are the sexual predator's new tools. |
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07/15/2008 12:00:10 PM · #30 |
There are a BUNCH of child porn websites out there. It's all gnasty and people actually do photoshop little kids into nakedness. Just look around the web and you will see why parents are so freaked out.
It is also a protection thing...
Think about child molestors... they are going to do research before they snag one. Big equipment means very little and actually cause more of a freak out because of this type of thing (child porn).
Sad, but true.
The saddest part, IMHO, is that people ACTUALLY LOOK AT THAT CRAP!
Message edited by frisca - removed link to search. Why make it easy? . |
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07/15/2008 12:01:01 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
The camera, a hard drive and the web are the sexual predator's new tools. |
Damn right, I couldn't be without mine!! |
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07/15/2008 12:01:19 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
Originally posted by togtog:
On a more serious note. I don't believe there is a genuine connection between photography and being a pervert, even being in a park. I would like to know where the publics fear of photography is not only stemming from but being reinforced and encouraged. |
You're not serious, are you?
Genuine connection, dare not be that blatant in definition. Implied? Most certainly! Its a form of "criminal profiling". The camera, a hard drive and the web are the sexual predator's new tools. |
Huh?
What gibberish is that? Wipe the foaming spittle from the corner of your mouth, sit down, take a deep breath and please post something that actually makes sense. |
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07/15/2008 12:02:35 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by TCGuru:
There are a BUNCH of child porn websites out there. It's all gnasty and people actually do photoshop little kids into nakedness. Just look around the web and you will see why parents are so freaked out.
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Do a lot of people a favour (especially those who access the web from work), delete that search link.. that will geta lot of web monitoring software blinking.. Some people may not see what it actually searches for until it is too late.
Message edited by author 2008-07-15 12:02:53. |
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07/15/2008 12:04:05 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by Ivo:
Originally posted by togtog:
On a more serious note. I don't believe there is a genuine connection between photography and being a pervert, even being in a park. I would like to know where the publics fear of photography is not only stemming from but being reinforced and encouraged. |
You're not serious, are you?
Genuine connection, dare not be that blatant in definition. Implied? Most certainly! Its a form of "criminal profiling". The camera, a hard drive and the web are the sexual predator's new tools. |
Huh?
What gibberish is that? Wipe the foaming spittle from the corner of your mouth, sit down, take a deep breath and please post something that actually makes sense. |
Umm rephrase?? |
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07/15/2008 12:07:14 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
Originally posted by togtog:
On a more serious note. I don't believe there is a genuine connection between photography and being a pervert, even being in a park. I would like to know where the publics fear of photography is not only stemming from but being reinforced and encouraged. |
You're not serious, are you?
Genuine connection, dare not be that blatant in definition. Implied? Most certainly! Its a form of "criminal profiling". The camera, a hard drive and the web are the sexual predator's new tools. |
So Camera + hard drive + Web = Sexual preditor???
well lock me up now if that's the case.. infact why not lock all of us here up to... in fact pretty well anyone could be labled by that definition!
Society needs to get a grip... |
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07/15/2008 12:09:57 PM · #36 |
This is kind of funny, because just this weekend I went at dusk to the beach to take some pics of the sunset off the rocks and there was this little girl in a white dress with the cutest expression who jumped in front of me. My first instinct was to take her picture, but I ended up shying away from doing it. I was going to ask the parents, but the shot would not have been the same as it would have been staged and would not have gotten the same expression. It was at that exact moment I needed to act but chickened out.
Since I'm new to photography.. What would you have done.
Take the photo and present yourself to the parents after the fact? or Wait and ask the parents, then take a photo that would not have had the same effect? |
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07/15/2008 12:11:27 PM · #37 |
| I once called the police on a guy and girl, probably about 25 years old. They were looking in a store window at jewelery and I just knew the guy was going to rob the place. See it all the time on tv, first looking, then wanting, then a brick through a window. I expected to get more thanks for it but I did get a free ride home from the police. |
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07/15/2008 12:11:53 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by scottlarue:
This is kind of funny, because just this weekend I went at dusk to the beach to take some pics of the sunset off the rocks and there was this little girl in a white dress with the cutest expression who jumped in front of me. My first instinct was to take her picture, but I ended up shying away from doing it. I was going to ask the parents, but the shot would not have been the same as it would have been staged and would not have gotten the same expression. It was at that exact moment I needed to act but chickened out.
Since I'm new to photography.. What would you have done.
Take the photo and present yourself to the parents after the fact? or Wait and ask the parents, then take a photo that would not have had the same effect? |
I am with you, I just wouldn't of taken it. |
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07/15/2008 12:20:11 PM · #39 |
This got me remembering a couple of other situations that happened around here. This was a few years ago, a woman had to go to court and defend herself because she had some naked pictures of her baby in the bathtub developed at a 1 hour photo. There were some sort of child endangerment charges brought up against her. Someone probably thought she was going to sell them. Another incident, the local newspaper used to have Valentine's pictures in the paper. Parents paid $5 to put their kids pics in the paper. Well, these two weirdo's/activists who protest in front of Planned Parenthood, would cut out the kids pics from the paper and mail them to the parents with pictures of aborted children. I guess it was supposed to get some sort of message across.
There's always a right and wrong way to get your point across. This so called "perv", IMO, should not have been harrassed by the other parents, especially in front of the kids, that just sends a bad message to the kids. |
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07/15/2008 12:25:55 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Eyesup:
Originally posted by Ivo:
Originally posted by togtog:
On a more serious note. I don't believe there is a genuine connection between photography and being a pervert, even being in a park. I would like to know where the publics fear of photography is not only stemming from but being reinforced and encouraged. |
You're not serious, are you?
Genuine connection, dare not be that blatant in definition. Implied? Most certainly! Its a form of "criminal profiling". The camera, a hard drive and the web are the sexual predator's new tools. |
So Camera + hard drive + Web = Sexual preditor???
well lock me up now if that's the case.. infact why not lock all of us here up to... in fact pretty well anyone could be labled by that definition!
Society needs to get a grip... |
Yes, and unfortunately, society seems to judge indiscriminately. Look at these misnomers;
Japanese + WWII = Internment
Artist + McCarthy = Communist
Guns + People = Crime
Photographer + playground = Predator
The list goes on and on with exaples we all know but dare not repeat.
It is apparent society makes "mass judgements". Though it may not be the view shared by those who "think", the tide of puplic sentiment still prevails .... for a time. This is no different and recognizing it is a sensible precaution. |
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07/15/2008 12:30:09 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by scottlarue:
This is kind of funny, because just this weekend I went at dusk to the beach to take some pics of the sunset off the rocks and there was this little girl in a white dress with the cutest expression who jumped in front of me. My first instinct was to take her picture, but I ended up shying away from doing it. I was going to ask the parents, but the shot would not have been the same as it would have been staged and would not have gotten the same expression. It was at that exact moment I needed to act but chickened out.
Since I'm new to photography.. What would you have done.
Take the photo and present yourself to the parents after the fact? or Wait and ask the parents, then take a photo that would not have had the same effect? |
You shouldn't have hesitated. Get the shot, especially if it's priceless. I do this all the time, kids, adults, no matter, and do go over and contact the parents/guardian or the person themself if an adult, with the image in the LCD, and politely ask if I can get their email address so I can send them the shot(s) as I turn the camera and show them. The precious memories you are capturing will bring joy to their hearts. |
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07/15/2008 12:33:14 PM · #42 |
Just because you have a right to do something doesn't mean you are right to do it.
My neighbor came to me with all sorts of questions about someone photographing children at the playground. At first, she and the other parents thought the man was taking pics of his kid. But when they realized none of the kids could belong to him they became suspicious. One of the mothers approached him and asked him what he was doing and then explained that it was making the parents uncomfortable. They politely asked him to stop. He didn't. Not wanting to cause a scene or call the police they all just took their kids and left cutting their afternoon short.
Hysterical? Wracked with paranoia? No. Just protecting their children from a possible threat.
Whether parents or photographers there will always be some who act or react poorly. If we don't want people to judge us harshly as photographers, perhaps we should not judge all parents as "harassers"...? |
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07/15/2008 12:38:59 PM · #43 |
The best way to protect kids from threats is to lock them in a room 24/7 with bars on the windows, and a tv set to PBS only.
I'm not sure it is about the right to do something or not, it is the fact that, at least imo, there should be absolutely nothing wrong. Most people have cameras, they are called eyes, and a memory. A camera has a bit better memory but is basically the same thing. Anyone can be looking at your kids and thinking something evil, just like anyone with a camera might be thinking that life is great and not having an ill thought at all.
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07/15/2008 12:41:10 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
Just because you have a right to do something doesn't mean you are right to do it.
My neighbor came to me with all sorts of questions about someone photographing children at the playground. At first, she and the other parents thought the man was taking pics of his kid. But when they realized none of the kids could belong to him they became suspicious. One of the mothers approached him and asked him what he was doing and then explained that it was making the parents uncomfortable. They politely asked him to stop. He didn't. Not wanting to cause a scene or call the police they all just took their kids and left cutting their afternoon short.
Hysterical? Wracked with paranoia? No. Just protecting their children from a possible threat.
Whether parents or photographers there will always be some who act or react poorly. If we don't want people to judge us harshly as photographers, perhaps we should not judge all parents as "harassers"...? |
Who labeled all Parents harrasers? many of us here are parents and we certainly understand the need and want to protect our children... what we're talking about is going over the edge in the persuit of such... there is such a thing as going to far... on either end. |
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07/15/2008 12:42:18 PM · #45 |
| Also, so. There is a public place, and there are a group of people. Another person comes along and breaks no laws, and presents no threat, and yet, it should be him who packs up and leaves? |
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07/15/2008 12:44:15 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by togtog:
The best way to protect kids from threats is to lock them in a room 24/7 with bars on the windows, and a tv set to PBS only.
I'm not sure it is about the right to do something or not, it is the fact that, at least imo, there should be absolutely nothing wrong. Most people have cameras, they are called eyes, and a memory. A camera has a bit better memory but is basically the same thing. Anyone can be looking at your kids and thinking something evil, just like anyone with a camera might be thinking that life is great and not having an ill thought at all. |
There should be nothing wrong...but we know better. We know there are pedophiles. We know they prey on children at parks looking for the vulnerable ones. We know there are pervs who might, at the minimum, take the pics for their own "pleasure" and, at worst might post them on the internet in inappropriate ways....
I don't want to live in a world where we lock up children. I'd rather live in a world where people are civil and accountable to those around them. Brad offered a great solution: bring contact cards, be open and candid about what you're doing and why. It certainly would help sort out the good from the bad as far as the parents are concerned. |
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07/15/2008 12:50:00 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by egamble:
Parents coddle their children too much. If you were a teacher...(assuming you aren't) you would know this. It is never 'how can we fix this problem'....it is ALWAYS 'my baby would NEVER'......In my experience, parents harass and overact at almost any and every situation. |
Here is a good example of this type of thing.
MONSTER PARENTS
Message edited by author 2008-07-15 13:19:32.
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07/15/2008 12:52:07 PM · #48 |
Simple solution: If you're a parnoid parent and don't want someone that hasn't submitted to your invasive screening process and background check taking pictures of your kids, keep them locked up inside your walled compound.
If you should want to take them out in public, dress the appropriately; in a Burqua. |
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07/15/2008 12:53:46 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by Eyesup:
Who labeled all Parents harrasers? many of us here are parents and we certainly understand the need and want to protect our children... what we're talking about is going over the edge in the persuit of such... there is such a thing as going to far... on either end. |
Originally posted by icu1965:
This so called "perv", IMO, should not have been harrassed by the other parents, especially in front of the kids, that just sends a bad message to the kids. |
And:
Originally posted by Jaker:
...he last thing I need is somebody throwing my camera into the ocean or calling the cops. |
Originally posted by dknourek:
Too many paranoid wackos out there that are way to egar to make someone look like a criminal.
...and some over paranoid whacked out house wife tried to say that I was taking pictures of her in her home. |
Originally posted by Ivo:
This is why I'd rather take wildlife photos. Though it would suck being confronted by some paranoid whacko, it would only be reaonable to expect it to happen. |
Originally posted by egamble:
.In my experience, parents harass and overact at almost any and every situation. |
It's the tone of this thread. Parents are wrong. Photographers are within their rights and therefore are right. I just disagree.
edit to fix quotes
Message edited by author 2008-07-15 12:55:17. |
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07/15/2008 12:55:45 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by KaDi:
[quote=Eyesup] Who labeled all Parents harrasers? many of us here are parents and we certainly understand the need and want to protect our children... what we're talking about is going over the edge in the persuit of such... there is such a thing as going to far... on either end. |
Originally posted by icu1965:
This so called "perv", IMO, should not have been harrassed by the other parents, especially in front of the kids, that just sends a bad message to the kids. |
And:
Originally posted by Jaker:
...he last thing I need is somebody throwing my camera into the ocean or calling the cops. |
Originally posted by dknourek:
Too many paranoid wackos out there that are way to egar to make someone look like a criminal.
...and some over paranoid whacked out house wife tried to say that I was taking pictures of her in her home. |
Originally posted by Ivo}This is why I'd rather take wildlife photos. Though it would suck being confronted by some paranoid whacko, it would only be reaonable to expect it to happen.[/quote:
[quote=egamble].In my experience, parents harass and overact at almost any and every situation.[quote]
It's the tone of this thread. Parents are wrong. Photographers are within their rights and therefore are right. I just disagree. |
I certainly did NOT label all parents as harrasers!!! I was referring to the story that the OP posted. When the man protested, and wanted to continue taking pictures of his own kids, the parents started yelling at him and one called him a pervert in front of all the other kids!
Don't put words in my mouth!!!! |
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